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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2018 11:22:42 GMT
You know what I'm struggling to understand, (and this isn't particularly aimed at you by the way) is if our squad is such an unbalanced mess, and everybody to a man is pretty much saying it is, and if our transfer team are such a bunch of good for nothing know nowts, why are the fans, or more to the point the majority on here, not prepared to give Rowett time to turn this mess around? 2 games he's had people, 2 frigging games! I fully understand the downer that folks have on the owners of this club but we all wanted a young up and coming manager to try and sort this squad out, but now we've got one nobody is willing to give him any breathing space at all to put things right. We all scoffed when we were made favourites to win this league, because we all know about the issues we have in-house, but now we haven't started the season like champions elect you're all bitching and moaning like schoolgirls who've just started their period. You couldn't make some of this shit up, it's hilarious. (Again not aimed at you Tricky, just quoted you because you're the latest one to point out what a shambles Rowett inherited). I am willing to give him a chance, Vince, for the very reason that you highlight. Sam on this thread pointed out what Rowett had inherited, saying it was a massive problem building a squad when he can't shift a load of players. I liked his post because I thought it was dead right. I asked on here a couple of years ago how good our squad was, and was assured it was easily mid table in quality. I thought it was getting worse at the time, but because so many people(good posters, too) reassured me, I thought I might have underestimated us a bit. Then came last season's abortion, when many stopped laughing at Bayern and Benji, admitting that there was a genuine need for Tena. Virtually everything Bayern said about the squad on day one of the season proved true; no pace, no goalscorers, unbalanced squad etc. It's my honest belief that if Hughes had been seriously backed in the transfer window following our thrashing of Liverpool, we would be nowhere near the Championship now. It was our chance to kick on, and we penny pinched again. Hughes then completely lost the plot, and Lambert inherited a bag of nails. He made us look more solid, but we had nowt going forward(why this wasn't addressed, I don't know!). Even then, people were saying the squad was too good to go down. Now, we are back to blaming the manager, again, as you say. I am not really a massive fan of Rowett's style of football, but I agree, and have said on different threads that it goes deeper than the manager. The ones I referred to being lucky to have a job are the two most agree on. You are right, two games is not enough time to turn us around. Two seasons might not be. The two things I'd disagree with you there are.... 1. I'll never stop laughing at Benji's posts, the bloke is an absolute clown of biblical proportions who has been predicting doom and gloom for years so eventually some of the shit he has spoken over the years was bound to come to fruition. He's on a constant wind up with his unreadable, illiterate ramblings which range from the completely incomprehensible to the almost perfectly written from week to week. 2.I don't believe that Hughes even with more serious backing would have kept us from the shit show he eventually turned us into. Don't forget this is the manager who chased and signed all/the majority of all the dead wood that we have on our books today and I'm not surprised Coates didn't give him anymore money to spend. Obviously Coates should have sacked him a good 12 months or 18 months before he did, which we all now know but Hughes was proving that with money to spend he didn't have a clue how to build a good balanced squad. It's certainly looking like Sam's post on this thread could be bang on the money and like you I'm tending to agree with him. Coates is the problem at our football club but he's here until he says so, but he's chosen a manager who knows this league inside out so he's got to be given time to sort this squad out and like all our managers I'm willing to give him some time to do that. In time my support for Rowett may turn out to be futile and he might not be up to the job but if it's as tough a looking job as we all think it might be some patience is required from us as supporters.
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Post by jontimmis on Aug 12, 2018 11:37:02 GMT
Let’s go back 4/5 weeks, the board were clear that we want an instant return to the premier league and committed to the cause and will do what it takes to ensure that happens.
I wonder what is being discussed today? Oh to be a fly on the wall behind the scenes.
Have we picked the right man? Booing after the first home game, when did that last happen? I can’t remeber that ever happening. Can you?
Or what’s all the fuss about? We joke about being a Sunderland, arrogance and incompetence as we found out last season can be extremely detrimental.
I’m not saying it’s a disaster, but we, the Fans are not stupid. I think the next 15/20 games will define our season. We knew after 15 Prem games last season we were relegation candidates.
We then start to gather our position in the league and what needs addressing in Jan. I wonder how the original objective will stand up after 15/20 games. the objective then to gain promotion, consolidate or stay up? The loan market will truly show our intentions and the ultimate question is can Rowett and his team get them playing.... I have no idea is the honest answer and none of us do, he talks well I’ll give him that.
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Post by adi on Aug 12, 2018 11:44:47 GMT
"It's early days yet, no need to panic" Try telling everyone on here who's already written you off after two games. I’m not writing rowett off but I have written Pieters and shawcross off. The first 11 needs improving starting with those two. Or we wait for another appalling performance next week, and the week after...
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Post by george2again on Aug 12, 2018 12:51:40 GMT
I don't get how Rowett is getting away with this. The team has no plan, shape or organisation atall. This is the managers job regardless of the players he has. Only have to look at Bielsa, There clearly not responding to him at all
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Post by stokief on Aug 12, 2018 13:18:13 GMT
Quite clearly, we ended up not getting our 3 main targets. Gayle (We had nothing Newcastle wanted) Ritchie (we probably had nothing he wanted) and Chester (he was wanted at the Club he was perfectly happy with)So, plan A went t1ts up and there doesn't seem to be much of a Plan B. Rowett expressed a dim view on loan players generally and now that's all we'll be left with and thanks to our dire,lacklustre start, we'll be lucky if anyone half decent wants to come! ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/cj7bsBj2jOTuEAUVaPt5.gif) I think he's going to have to be brave and blood the youngsters like Edwards and Sorensen who are possibly not tarnished with the relegation situation and who are prepared to get stuck in. Clubs who have yo-yo'd a bit eg. West Brom, Burnley had faces in and around like managers or players who knew what both divisions are about. The formation needs sacking and as I've said before, if they are telling us the truth about Berahino's attitude and training then he should be given a proper chance(before he loses interest again) alongside Afobe.The rot hasn't been cut out and very quickly will spread even deeper. Maybe one of those Pulis-style boot camps is required to try and build a bit of team spirit. I also agree poor Ryan looks like he's passed his sell by so we MUST improve the defensive situation at all costs.As I said though, who's going to come now they've seen the start we've made? ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/cj7bsBj2jOTuEAUVaPt5.gif) I will add an apology now to those on here who are not liking the negativity shown by some of us. It's called being realistic.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2018 13:49:23 GMT
"It's early days yet, no need to panic" Try telling everyone on here who's already written you off after two games. I’m not writing rowett off but I have written Pieters and shawcross off. The first 11 needs improving starting with those two. Or we wait for another appalling performance next week, and the week after... It certainly appears that the pace of the game in this league has surprised a few of our slower players. Rowett has got a big job on his hands but I'm confident he's up to it.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 12, 2018 13:58:35 GMT
This time next week he will be two games from a five game Reign Once we’ve captitulated at Preston defeats To Wigan and Hull at home would see complete panic and nobody in their Right mind would bet against these players freezing
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 12, 2018 14:02:17 GMT
I’m not writing rowett off but I have written Pieters and shawcross off. The first 11 needs improving starting with those two. Or we wait for another appalling performance next week, and the week after... It certainly appears that the pace of the game in this league has surprised a few of our slower players. Rowett has got a big job on his hands but I'm confident he's up to it. But with his experience it should not have surprised the manager, he has brought in little pace and even less quality, his game plan or lack of it are a huge problem, can he or is the capable of overcoming the issues we have we will know the answer to that after another 8 games.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2018 14:39:50 GMT
You know what I'm struggling to understand, (and this isn't particularly aimed at you by the way) is if our squad is such an unbalanced mess, and everybody to a man is pretty much saying it is, and if our transfer team are such a bunch of good for nothing know nowts, why are the fans, or more to the point the majority on here, not prepared to give Rowett time to turn this mess around? 2 games he's had people, 2 frigging games! I fully understand the downer that folks have on the owners of this club but we all wanted a young up and coming manager to try and sort this squad out, but now we've got one nobody is willing to give him any breathing space at all to put things right. We all scoffed when we were made favourites to win this league, because we all know about the issues we have in-house, but now we haven't started the season like champions elect you're all bitching and moaning like schoolgirls who've just started their period. You couldn't make some of this shit up, it's hilarious. (Again not aimed at you Tricky, just quoted you because you're the latest one to point out what a shambles Rowett inherited). It's my honest belief that if Hughes had been seriously backed in the transfer window following our thrashing of Liverpool, we would be nowhere near the Championship now. It was our chance to kick on, and we penny pinched again. Hughes then completely lost the plot, and Lambert inherited a bag of nails. He made us look more solid, but we had nowt going forward(why this wasn't addressed, I don't know!). Going off topic here but.....
It is my belief that Hughes didn't turn from being a good manager, to one that had lost the plot. After thrashing Liverpool, Hughes wanted to kick on, but the owners were content with mid table. Hughes is a type of manager that "doesn't want to stand still", but to progress. So was Arnie as it turned out. "Lacking ambition" being his now famous quote about the club
I think Hughes just took his foot off the gas, and let the team fall into complacency.
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Post by stokeykez on Aug 12, 2018 15:02:53 GMT
I think we have to give GR a bit of credit. As a manager I find it hard to believe that they do not know much about the squads especially premiership and what state they are in given how much football they watch in their role. Blind man on a galloping horse could see the state of stokes squad and also the politics that went with it regarding Hughes etc. Footballers, agents, coaches, scouts, all talk and I simply don't believe that he would not have some sort of profile of what he is walking into. I think he has entered into a game of brinksmanship with a CEO that works differently to other clubs hes been at and i do feel at some point that it will come down to a chairman's decision on the future direction of this club.
I totally believe GR knew what his hand was when he came in, he will come out of this in a good light regardless. If he walks he will cite the relationship of the hierarchy and the difficulty of bringing in the necessary personnel, losing out on targets to change the squad, making sure it would not point a finger at him. If he stays and stoke languish in mid to lower table ultimately it would be due to the repercussions and the devastating effect of relegation, he's planted the seeds already by saying that players need to wake up, get over it quickly etc.
Gary rowett is not stupid he's been played by chairman before, I think he's a lot smarter than we give him credit for.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2018 15:09:08 GMT
This time next week he will be two games from a five game Reign Once we’ve captitulated at Preston defeats To Wigan and Hull at home would see complete panic and nobody in their Right mind would bet against these players freezing You really are one negative fucker. (excuse my language admin)
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Post by tribe on Aug 12, 2018 18:22:59 GMT
Some real drivel on this thread
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 12, 2018 19:20:58 GMT
This time next week he will be two games from a five game Reign Once we’ve captitulated at Preston defeats To Wigan and Hull at home would see complete panic and nobody in their Right mind would bet against these players freezing We'll beat Preston.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 12, 2018 19:31:18 GMT
This time next week he will be two games from a five game Reign Once we’ve captitulated at Preston defeats To Wigan and Hull at home would see complete panic and nobody in their Right mind would bet against these players freezing We'll beat Preston. I hope so but I was chatting to a championship ITK yesterday and they said Preston away the toughest game of the three we’ve had physically ,so I really doubt it
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Post by Pirate on Aug 12, 2018 19:34:54 GMT
Preston are a very tidy side but the next 3 games are winnable if we snap out of this malaise. I am convinced a win will go a long way to turning things around for us, we were so much better for 15/20mins after we scored on Saturday.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2018 20:56:59 GMT
Some real drivel on this thread Funnily enough, I thought that this was one of the most driveless threads that we have had for a long time.
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