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Post by CalgaryPotter on Aug 12, 2018 2:19:53 GMT
Rome wasn’t built in a day & he’s got a good support team with him by the looks of it.
Unfortunately he’s inherited a bunch of dysfunctional players who are well past their best or just plain lazy money grabbing twats.
Football is played on the pitch & not on paper. We’ve lost all resemblance of playing to a system over the last two years.
The fact he played Bojan from the start shows he is learning who’s up for it & ready to adapt his ideas. If Boj is here on Sept 1 I think we will reap the benefits.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 12, 2018 2:52:13 GMT
Oh for more posts like this on this message board instead of some of the reactionary, attention seeking garbage that infests it. Bang on the money Sam. Why pick Sam out for special treatment... I don't know if Dave was being sarcastic, but I reckon Sam was "bang on". Quite how the overseers of such a shambles are still in employment is beyond me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2018 6:52:01 GMT
Why pick Sam out for special treatment... I don't know if Dave was being sarcastic, but I reckon Sam was "bang on". Quite how the overseers of such a shambles are still in employment is beyond me. You know what I'm struggling to understand, (and this isn't particularly aimed at you by the way) is if our squad is such an unbalanced mess, and everybody to a man is pretty much saying it is, and if our transfer team are such a bunch of good for nothing know nowts, why are the fans, or more to the point the majority on here, not prepared to give Rowett time to turn this mess around? 2 games he's had people, 2 frigging games! I fully understand the downer that folks have on the owners of this club but we all wanted a young up and coming manager to try and sort this squad out, but now we've got one nobody is willing to give him any breathing space at all to put things right. We all scoffed when we were made favourites to win this league, because we all know about the issues we have in-house, but now we haven't started the season like champions elect you're all bitching and moaning like schoolgirls who've just started their period. You couldn't make some of this shit up, it's hilarious. (Again not aimed at you Tricky, just quoted you because you're the latest one to point out what a shambles Rowett inherited).
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Post by wuzza on Aug 12, 2018 7:09:10 GMT
I don't know if Dave was being sarcastic, but I reckon Sam was "bang on". Quite how the overseers of such a shambles are still in employment is beyond me. You know what I'm struggling to understand, (and this isn't particularly aimed at you by the way) is if our squad is such an unbalanced mess, and everybody to a man is pretty much saying it is, and if our transfer team are such a bunch of good for nothing know nowts, why are the fans, or more to the point the majority on here, not prepared to give Rowett time to turn this mess around? 2 games he's had people, 2 frigging games! I fully understand the downer that folks have on the owners of this club but we all wanted a young up and coming manager to try and sort this squad out, but now we've got one nobody is willing to give him any breathing space at all to put things right. We all scoffed when we were made favourites to win this league, because we all know about the issues we have in-house, but now we haven't started the season like champions elect you're all bitching and moaning like schoolgirls who've just started their period. You couldn't make some of this shit up, it's hilarious. (Again not aimed at you Tricky, just quoted you because you're the latest one to point out what a shambles Rowett inherited). I don’t believe that the ‘transfer team’ have spent the summer pursuing targets who Rowett didn’t want. Our style of play is pedestrian and predictable - there has been time to change that , again look at what’s happened at Leeds and to an extent Swansea. In some ways (defence) we have actually got worse. Of course it’s ridiculous to say Rowett has failed or is not up to the job but it is fair to say he has made a disappointing start .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2018 7:26:14 GMT
You know what I'm struggling to understand, (and this isn't particularly aimed at you by the way) is if our squad is such an unbalanced mess, and everybody to a man is pretty much saying it is, and if our transfer team are such a bunch of good for nothing know nowts, why are the fans, or more to the point the majority on here, not prepared to give Rowett time to turn this mess around? 2 games he's had people, 2 frigging games! I fully understand the downer that folks have on the owners of this club but we all wanted a young up and coming manager to try and sort this squad out, but now we've got one nobody is willing to give him any breathing space at all to put things right. We all scoffed when we were made favourites to win this league, because we all know about the issues we have in-house, but now we haven't started the season like champions elect you're all bitching and moaning like schoolgirls who've just started their period. You couldn't make some of this shit up, it's hilarious. (Again not aimed at you Tricky, just quoted you because you're the latest one to point out what a shambles Rowett inherited). I don’t believe that the ‘transfer team’ have spent the summer pursuing targets who Rowett didn’t want. Our style of play is pedestrian and predictable - there has been time to change that , again look at what’s happened at Leeds and to an extent Swansea. In some ways (defence) we have actually got worse. Of course it’s ridiculous to say Rowett has failed or is not up to the job but it is fair to say he has made a disappointing start . The senior players really aren't helping him at the minute, and we're seeing signs that some of them either aren't good enough or just don't want it at this level. It won't be long before Williams is a permanent fixture in the team and that's disregarding Bruno's injury and I wouldn't be surprised to see another centre half come through the door to take the other place in the side. We all know Rowett wants at least one other attacking player so it's not as if he doesn't know what we need to improve.
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Post by blackpoolred on Aug 12, 2018 7:44:09 GMT
I don't know if Dave was being sarcastic, but I reckon Sam was "bang on". Quite how the overseers of such a shambles are still in employment is beyond me. You know what I'm struggling to understand, (and this isn't particularly aimed at you by the way) is if our squad is such an unbalanced mess, and everybody to a man is pretty much saying it is, and if our transfer team are such a bunch of good for nothing know nowts, why are the fans, or more to the point the majority on here, not prepared to give Rowett time to turn this mess around? 2 games he's had people, 2 frigging games! I fully understand the downer that folks have on the owners of this club but we all wanted a young up and coming manager to try and sort this squad out, but now we've got one nobody is willing to give him any breathing space at all to put things right. We all scoffed when we were made favourites to win this league, because we all know about the issues we have in-house, but now we haven't started the season like champions elect you're all bitching and moaning like schoolgirls who've just started their period. You couldn't make some of this shit up, it's hilarious. (Again not aimed at you Tricky, just quoted you because you're the latest one to point out what a shambles Rowett inherited). Agree with your post - he needs more time, but some of his interviews are already a little worrying. Nobody on here scoffed when we were made favourites, a poll suggested that nearly 80% of us thought we would waltz straight back up to the prem. I ,however, thought his biggest task would be to keep us up and stabilise the ship and stated that we would need to give him time and patience. This is modern day football though and all of those fans who for some reason could only see us winning the league with 100+ points are now already booing him and his team. We still have a team, like last year, that is incapable of competing/winning a game of football - winning being something we have only done once this year Our season now depends on what we can bring in on loan and there has to be no excuses or feck ups it has to be a good loan window or we are looking at a long stint to the January window. The current squad of player are not capable of winning a game of football, let alone winning the 13/14 games needed to survive
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Post by juiceandbits on Aug 12, 2018 7:45:31 GMT
Dean Smith has had around a couple of years to get hat Brentford side together and they were very poor when he took over them. GR needs plenty of time; I believe in him.
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Post by beechwood14 on Aug 12, 2018 7:57:34 GMT
the first home game of season and rowett is sitting in the dugout last ten minutes arms folded aka hughes style "its not my fault" oh dear
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 12, 2018 8:01:19 GMT
Dean Smith has had around a couple of years to get hat Brentford side together and they were very poor when he took over them. GR needs plenty of time; I believe in him. I would not have picked Rowett as manager for this set of players. Now he is here we have to give him a chance. But...I was expecting at the least that players would know their roles and have a coherent game plan, even if that were long ball and set pieces. Ive seen no evidence that we have a manager at all, it looks even more shambolic
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Post by jarvinski on Aug 12, 2018 8:06:50 GMT
Haven’t you realised yet that no one wants our useless players
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Post by wuzza on Aug 12, 2018 8:13:41 GMT
I don’t believe that the ‘transfer team’ have spent the summer pursuing targets who Rowett didn’t want. Our style of play is pedestrian and predictable - there has been time to change that , again look at what’s happened at Leeds and to an extent Swansea. In some ways (defence) we have actually got worse. Of course it’s ridiculous to say Rowett has failed or is not up to the job but it is fair to say he has made a disappointing start . The senior players really aren't helping him at the minute, and we're seeing signs that some of them either aren't good enough or just don't want it at this level. It won't be long before Williams is a permanent fixture in the team and that's disregarding Bruno's injury and I wouldn't be surprised to see another centre half come through the door to take the other place in the side. We all know Rowett wants at least one other attacking player so it's not as if he doesn't know what we need to improve. Couldn’t ageee more that some of the players are continuing to be a complete let down. I had hoped Rowett might have been able to inspire and organise them over the course of the summer. Rowett has a reputation for working well with players of limited ability and moulding a good team. He may well have to fall back on that and pick some of our lesser lights and get the best out of them. Some of our so called ‘stars’ will have to fall by the wayside.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 12, 2018 8:16:34 GMT
Hackett has had it in for Rowett since day one so there's no point trying to reason with him. That's his opinion, fair enough.
I'm just going to do what most sane people do and give him more than 2 competitive matches before I write him off. He needs time, like all managers do and like I pointed out last night, there are many things that are hampering him that he cannot take control of due to incompetence of others.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 12, 2018 8:18:18 GMT
I don't know if Dave was being sarcastic, but I reckon Sam was "bang on". Quite how the overseers of such a shambles are still in employment is beyond me. You know what I'm struggling to understand, (and this isn't particularly aimed at you by the way) is if our squad is such an unbalanced mess, and everybody to a man is pretty much saying it is, and if our transfer team are such a bunch of good for nothing know nowts, why are the fans, or more to the point the majority on here, not prepared to give Rowett time to turn this mess around? 2 games he's had people, 2 frigging games! I fully understand the downer that folks have on the owners of this club but we all wanted a young up and coming manager to try and sort this squad out, but now we've got one nobody is willing to give him any breathing space at all to put things right. We all scoffed when we were made favourites to win this league, because we all know about the issues we have in-house, but now we haven't started the season like champions elect you're all bitching and moaning like schoolgirls who've just started their period. You couldn't make some of this shit up, it's hilarious. (Again not aimed at you Tricky, just quoted you because you're the latest one to point out what a shambles Rowett inherited). I am willing to give him a chance, Vince, for the very reason that you highlight. Sam on this thread pointed out what Rowett had inherited, saying it was a massive problem building a squad when he can't shift a load of players. I liked his post because I thought it was dead right. I asked on here a couple of years ago how good our squad was, and was assured it was easily mid table in quality. I thought it was getting worse at the time, but because so many people(good posters, too) reassured me, I thought I might have underestimated us a bit. Then came last season's abortion, when many stopped laughing at Bayern and Benji, admitting that there was a genuine need for Tena. Virtually everything Bayern said about the squad on day one of the season proved true; no pace, no goalscorers, unbalanced squad etc. It's my honest belief that if Hughes had been seriously backed in the transfer window following our thrashing of Liverpool, we would be nowhere near the Championship now. It was our chance to kick on, and we penny pinched again. Hughes then completely lost the plot, and Lambert inherited a bag of nails. He made us look more solid, but we had nowt going forward(why this wasn't addressed, I don't know!). Even then, people were saying the squad was too good to go down. Now, we are back to blaming the manager, again, as you say. I am not really a massive fan of Rowett's style of football, but I agree, and have said on different threads that it goes deeper than the manager. The ones I referred to being lucky to have a job are the two most agree on. You are right, two games is not enough time to turn us around. Two seasons might not be.
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Post by Billy the kid on Aug 12, 2018 8:39:55 GMT
You know what I'm struggling to understand, (and this isn't particularly aimed at you by the way) is if our squad is such an unbalanced mess, and everybody to a man is pretty much saying it is, and if our transfer team are such a bunch of good for nothing know nowts, why are the fans, or more to the point the majority on here, not prepared to give Rowett time to turn this mess around? 2 games he's had people, 2 frigging games! I fully understand the downer that folks have on the owners of this club but we all wanted a young up and coming manager to try and sort this squad out, but now we've got one nobody is willing to give him any breathing space at all to put things right. We all scoffed when we were made favourites to win this league, because we all know about the issues we have in-house, but now we haven't started the season like champions elect you're all bitching and moaning like schoolgirls who've just started their period. You couldn't make some of this shit up, it's hilarious. (Again not aimed at you Tricky, just quoted you because you're the latest one to point out what a shambles Rowett inherited). I am willing to give him a chance, Vince, for the very reason that you highlight. Sam on this thread pointed out what Rowett had inherited, saying it was a massive problem building a squad when he can't shift a load of players. I liked his post because I thought it was dead right. I asked on here a couple of years ago how good our squad was, and was assured it was easily mid table in quality. I thought it was getting worse at the time, but because so many people(good posters, too) reassured me, I thought I might have underestimated us a bit. Then came last season's abortion, when many stopped laughing at Bayern and Benji, admitting that there was a genuine need for Tena. Virtually everything Bayern said about the squad on day one of the season proved true; no pace, no goalscorers, unbalanced squad etc. It's my honest belief that if Hughes had been seriously backed in the transfer window following our thrashing of Liverpool, we would be nowhere near the Championship now. It was our chance to kick on, and we penny pinched again. Hughes then completely lost the plot, and Lambert inherited a bag of nails. He made us look more solid, but we had nowt going forward(why this wasn't addressed, I don't know!). Even then, people were saying the squad was too good to go down. Now, we are back to blaming the manager, again, as you say. I am not really a massive fan of Rowett's style of football, but I agree, and have said on different threads that it goes deeper than the manager. The ones I referred to being lucky to have a job are the two most agree on. You are right, two games is not enough time to turn us around. Two seasons might not be. Agreed Three different managers have or are currently struggling to get a tune out of this core team of players. Neither Hughes, Lambert or now seemingly Rowett can make our defence look any better, or our woeful midfield look any more mobile, balanced or coherent.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Aug 12, 2018 9:02:17 GMT
Dean Smith has had around a couple of years to get hat Brentford side together and they were very poor when he took over them. GR needs plenty of time; I believe in him. He doesn't have plenty of time. The parachute payment diminish each season. That's why the clubs stated aim is to bounce back at the first attempt. Don't forget that each new 4 year contract will still be running after all parachute payments have stopped. Look at Villa, 2016 Prem, 2018 almost bankrupt.
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Post by Sam on Aug 12, 2018 9:04:38 GMT
That’s a good honest interview,and he sounds pretty pissed off. It’s refreshing to hear a manager take it on the chin & say we’re just not good enough.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2018 9:09:13 GMT
In about 5-6 games, if we still look shit and Rowett is saying similar things, we're all going to have to question whether the players are actually listening to him. Hopefully it doesn't get there. Well, Preston, Wigan and Hull are the next 3 games. I think we'll have an idea of where we're headed, after those.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 12, 2018 9:14:16 GMT
Haven’t you realised yet that no one wants our useless players However we did !, the transfer team that were part of bringing them here are still fucking here, we have added to that list with IRA, Williams and an injured Clucas .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2018 9:14:40 GMT
It's his players letting him down. Some are simply wank.
It's ever likely we were relegated.
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Post by rorystowel on Aug 12, 2018 9:20:50 GMT
Why have we not seen a new manager bounce? On the evidence of 2 disappointing performances, I’d say most of our senior pros are not arsed playing in this league and they think it’s beneath them somehow. Many of them probably don’t rate Rowett’s track record either. Not a good thing to inherit, and it’s the same problem that Lambert had.
And how much negativity must there be amongst the ranks of our deadwood who aren’t playing and need moving on? I watched Berahino and 2 other subs warming up at half time. The Brentford subs looked hungry, were pinging the ball around with skill and looked eager. Our lot just knocked the ball to each other with no urgency or imagination and looked bored. To me this says it all about the rot in our squad.
Rowett has a LOT of work to do and he needs more support from our transfer team. We are asking him to work miracles with a dysfunctional, unbalanced squad, so I will pray that he comes good and that we start to see improvements.
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Post by jontimmis on Aug 12, 2018 9:25:25 GMT
While some might think the post match interview was “honest” and airing the dirty laundry in public and leaving some players out to dry is s positive thing, I just don’t see how he thinks this will get a positive reaction from the players. What would you say if your boss criticised you in front of 1000s of people, you would see your arse, most people would, seek a grievance, sulk, cause unrest... etc etc
We have 8, yes 8 coaching staff at Stoke, do they know what they’re doing? Delap was a hard working midfielder for us and was part of a great time for stoke, his he a good coach? Is Phillips? Great player one of the best finishers and scored goals at all levels.
Correct me if I’m wrong, the manager and players need to take responsibility and didn’t hear one mention in that interview that he “Rowett” or his coaching staff were going to take some responsibility for his team selection, the formation, the training bearing in mind how terrible we were at Leeds, the intensity and urgency.
Rowett you do pick the side, can you put it right at Preston?
If you’re not careful you’ll spend half this season searching for your best 11 and god knows where we will be.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Aug 12, 2018 9:26:26 GMT
I may have missed it but, has Peter Coates made any public comment on Rowett's appointment?
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Post by rawli on Aug 12, 2018 9:44:53 GMT
I may have missed it but, has Peter Coates made any public comment on Rowett's appointment? No one has told him yet.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 12, 2018 10:05:52 GMT
While some might think the post match interview was “honest” and airing the dirty laundry in public and leaving some players out to dry is s positive thing, I just don’t see how he thinks this will get a positive reaction from the players. What would you say if your boss criticised you in front of 1000s of people, you would see your arse, most people would, seek a grievance, sulk, cause unrest... etc etc We have 8, yes 8 coaching staff at Stoke, do they know what they’re doing? Delap was a hard working midfielder for us and was part of a great time for stoke, his he a good coach? Is Phillips? Great player one of the best finishers and scored goals at all levels. Correct me if I’m wrong, the manager and players need to take responsibility and didn’t hear one mention in that interview that he “Rowett” or his coaching staff were going to take some responsibility for his team selection, the formation, the training bearing in mind how terrible we were at Leeds, the intensity and urgency. Rowett you do pick the side, can you put it right at Preston? If you’re not careful you’ll spend half this season searching for your best 11 and god knows where we will be. 100% spot on no evidence he is earning any credibility with the players
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Post by hanibal7 on Aug 12, 2018 10:08:29 GMT
We didn't lose 4- 1 at home to Leeds though lol. Love to here fat frank s post match.
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Post by OldStokie on Aug 12, 2018 10:27:38 GMT
I don't know if Dave was being sarcastic, but I reckon Sam was "bang on". Quite how the overseers of such a shambles are still in employment is beyond me. You know what I'm struggling to understand, (and this isn't particularly aimed at you by the way) is if our squad is such an unbalanced mess, and everybody to a man is pretty much saying it is, and if our transfer team are such a bunch of good for nothing know nowts, why are the fans, or more to the point the majority on here, not prepared to give Rowett time to turn this mess around? 2 games he's had people, 2 frigging games! I fully understand the downer that folks have on the owners of this club but we all wanted a young up and coming manager to try and sort this squad out, but now we've got one nobody is willing to give him any breathing space at all to put things right. We all scoffed when we were made favourites to win this league, because we all know about the issues we have in-house, but now we haven't started the season like champions elect you're all bitching and moaning like schoolgirls who've just started their period. You couldn't make some of this shit up, it's hilarious. (Again not aimed at you Tricky, just quoted you because you're the latest one to point out what a shambles Rowett inherited). This! Absolutely. OS.
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Post by juiceandbits on Aug 12, 2018 10:31:48 GMT
Dean Smith has had around a couple of years to get hat Brentford side together and they were very poor when he took over them. GR needs plenty of time; I believe in him. He doesn't have plenty of time. The parachute payment diminish each season. That's why the clubs stated aim is to bounce back at the first attempt. Don't forget that each new 4 year contract will still be running after all parachute payments have stopped. Look at Villa, 2016 Prem, 2018 almost bankrupt. He does for this season though doesn't he? Why shouldn't we be taking a two-year look at this, and realising that either this season OR next we (ideally) need to be promoted? And yeah, like the other post said it's been two games. Personally I'll take a point against a promotion rival when we're well below where we need to be.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Aug 12, 2018 10:36:14 GMT
Here's my issue with him.
In January we showed clear signals that we were interested in him. Even if there was no official approach it was considered genuine enough by Derby to offer him an enhanced contract. He then had a decision to make: stay with Derby and back his ability to push into the Prem OR back his ability to turn around a Prem team that had lost it's way after 10 years of mid table stability.
He decided to stay and push for promotion, fair enough. He failed. Then (wrongly in my view) he was approached again by us. The question then became: does he stay and try to push Derby up again and honour his obligations he made when he took the new contract or jump ship to what he perceived to be the better option? Logically he deemed us (ambition) to be the better option despite having a misfiring squad he could have known little about. But hey, we've got these big(ish) Prem names so how hard can it be? Well now he's finding out.
If he'd have taken on the relegation battle in Jan and lost, and we'd stuck with him, he'd have in my opinion a much longer grace period now.
The lead up to coming here was not all his fault by any means. But having given us the cold shoulder once he'd better get it right PDQ now we're sloppy seconds.
Rant over.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Aug 12, 2018 10:52:10 GMT
He doesn't have plenty of time. The parachute payment diminish each season. That's why the clubs stated aim is to bounce back at the first attempt. Don't forget that each new 4 year contract will still be running after all parachute payments have stopped. Look at Villa, 2016 Prem, 2018 almost bankrupt. He does for this season though doesn't he? Why shouldn't we be taking a two-year look at this, and realising that either this season OR next we (ideally) need to be promoted? And yeah, like the other post said it's been two games. Personally I'll take a point against a promotion rival when we're well below where we need to be. Because for the last set of numbers we have (2016/17) there is a loss of getting on for £108m of tv money. This season the parachute offset payment is £40m, then £30m, £15m then nothing. So as the parachute payments reduce it gets harder to buy/pay the right level of player. A further drop next season of £10m equates to £192k a week or 6 players on around £35k/week. Taking another season costs us 6 players we can't afford unless Coates makes up the shortfall of course.
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Post by superheroantonius on Aug 12, 2018 10:53:15 GMT
He is being too nice to the players .Too softly softly
Lambo just said straight out the players are unfit and several worse than poor and outright unprofessional
He didn't put an arm round them , he got them fitter , more disciplined at picking up runners and gifting less goals
GR is going backwards to hughes mentality of accepting laziness , sloppiness and players going through the motions
Couldn't care less if he says the bleeding obvious and sounds sensible enough
The players are less fit and less committed than they were under lambo , and lambo was hardly a success !!!
He needs to stop sitting on the fence and being nicey nicey with the players and kick off some rows like lambo and wake the place up
And no , I am not saying lambo was a success
I am saying hughes scholes and carto wrecked this club to the point it's unmanageable, for a lambo GR type of manager .And hughes scholes and carto need to be shown the door ( not just hughes)
Probably , when all is said and done ,we need a Tony waddington,Lou macari ,tp style absolutely inspirational managerial appointment to turn this mess around
In the meantime , scholes and carto have to be shown the door with hughes
And GR has got to stop being pally with the players and rip into them , get them fit and get them disciplined
This is no time for fine words , it's time for action
I genuinely couldn't understand a word lambo said , and even he got better fitness , energy and commitment out of the players than GR
No matter what formation he plays , what tactics etc , GR has to exile everyone not on board and get eleven fit and commitmed players out there or he is going to embarrass himself .And we will be the new Sunderland
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