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Post by adamsson on Aug 11, 2018 21:35:50 GMT
Choupo is on £70,000 A week If we're paying McClean 70p a week it's 70p too much. True but Choupo is expensive
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Post by robstokie on Aug 11, 2018 21:40:03 GMT
Give the guy a bloody break - he will come good in time, providing key players (such as Ryan and little Joe) stand up and be counted and dead wood/ bad eggs are dealt with by those behind the scenes. A few observations: Midfield - for 4 windows, we have been crying out for real reinforcements through the centre of the park - in particular, with relegation, the addition of a no-nonsense holding mid who will bust a gut to break things up in front of the centre-halves. Yet again, we have neglected to add that kind of player to our squad, and the buck for that has to lie with Scholes/Cartwright as it's them who deal with recruitment. Complacency both on and off the pitch - despite the money spent and the promises made by Coates and co re. End of season statement nothing has changed. Pretty much all of the dead wood has been kept on when we should have bust a gut with these players/their agents/other clubs to get these players out of the building, whether that be temporary or permanently. I understand that it's not exactly easy to flog a dead horse, but carrying on including some of these in and around the first team. On top of that, these players are symptomatic of the losing mentality we seem to have at the moment. This doesn't just apply to the playing squad - why Scholes and (particularly) Cartwright remain in place is baffling. In a dog eat dog such as football, results are everything, and the results show they have failed in their duties. Sticking to your process resolutely (as PC seems to be doing) can be seen as admirable, as can his 'loyalty' to this pair of clowns. But you don't win prizes with loyalty, particularly loyalty to a failing way of working. What was really needed this summer was a comprehensive root and branch re-build/re-structure of all parts of the club - to both address the shortcomings of the previous couple of seasons as well as preparing to compete effectively going forward. I appreciate that Rome wasn't built in a day, but it seems that 'those upstairs' have their heads in the sand as to the problems and shortcomings that have infested within our club , particularly over the last 18 months. The sound of the penny finally dropping with the biggest happy clapper on this board , welcome to the world of reality we are shit and have been for two years some caught on early sometimes it takes the slower ones a while to catch up I would have said the real decline has been since March 2017 (when we were realistically safe for that season). At least, to my credit, I never sang Paul Lambert's barmy army 😉
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 11, 2018 22:19:25 GMT
On what evidence does he know what’s required he’s never been promoted and failed at Derby . personally I think he is totally out of his depth , he’d be gone for me by the end of the month but think it will take a bit longer but not much . his team is ill prepared , without a game plan , he said one day no number 10 within a week it’s changed l the bojan sub today pathetic making himself a problem then exasperated with the crouch sub , he’s no idea how to fix the mess , but the ultimate accountability sits with those who recruited him ,and with who. He is clearly already at odds as none of his or the ceos public utterances marry up . it was another compromise , unimaginative appointment when courage was required . eventually the club will be forced to appoint A manager of the level they should have done after Hughes , if they don’t the spiral will accelerate . Assumed you've never managed anything before in your life, let alone joining a demoralised underperforming team. Give him time he's exploring the best way of getting this squad to be successful and learnt that Bojan made a difference against Leeds and so should start. Let him keep doing it until we win, much better than the stupidity we had from Lambert and Hughes who expected to keep doing the same thing and get different results. Managed a few things actually his record says he will keep you in this league that’s all , so far his pre season ,had been shambolic , his team selection woeful , his tactics non existent , two coaches have played him off the Park and he’s moaned a lot and now threatens more change
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Post by thevoid on Aug 11, 2018 22:38:50 GMT
A lot of us on here have mentioned bielsa many many times in recent years. We could have easily attracted him before leeds. Bielsa is not British, no chance of Coatsy even thinking about him sadly, And that's why change is needed at the very top. The club is stuck in a timewarp under Coates.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Aug 11, 2018 22:41:59 GMT
I don't think Rowett did his research before joining us and he massively underestimated the amount of rebuilding we needed. I think he looked at some of the 'names', Shawcross, Butland, Allen and Co and thought that we'd simply been mismanaged and some better structure and organisation and a few additions could easily turn this squad into promotion winners. And that was the impression most of the media had of us too hence the promotion favourites tag.
However a bit of proper research would have told him just how rotten things were. Ask any of the fans and they could have told him that Shawcross has been poor for two years now and his back injuries have done him in. They'd have told him that Allen is vastly overrated and his admirable work rate and attitude glosses over the fact that he doesn't really do anything productive. They'd have told him that Butland was poor last season and is living off his reputation. They'd have told him that our squad is woefully unbalanced, full of highly paid useless players on long contracts who will be impossible to get rid of and useless to use. They'd have told him that the squad has absolutely zero pace and creativity and the midfield is as flat as a witch's tit.
Ever since the players came back for pre season training he's been making unhappy noises about the lack of new signings and the state of the squad. I think he quickly realised that we're in a worse state than he ever imagined and he's looked like a rabbit in the headlights. I just don't feel like he's got any control on the situation and I can't see this ending well. We need more than a few good loans to fix this.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 11, 2018 22:47:11 GMT
People have wanted a young manager for a good while now, Rowett is just that, he is still learning his trade.
He has done well enough in his previous jobs he deserves a bit of patience, this is a different ball game, he has inherited a bunch of habitual losers & towel throwers.
Rowett has been in charge for just 2 games. Brentford won by 5 last week we have had two very difficult opening fixtures. We currently have a team extremely low on confidence after regular batterings for the past 2 seasons so it's to be expected really.
Add all that to a board that won't sanction his transfer requests what do we expect? He's a football manager not a miracle worker.
What we are witnessing now is a reflection of the way the club has been run both on & off the pitch for the past 3 years, we have a grown a deep rooted losing mentality. This hangover might go on for some time yet. Is it Rowett's fault? I dont believe it is
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Post by bathstoke on Aug 11, 2018 22:51:41 GMT
WTF Does that mean. He’s had time for changes all over summer. They know where the problems lie. Time to cut out the dead $#!t to save the whole. Some folk just aren’t up to the job...
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Post by Davef on Aug 11, 2018 22:54:44 GMT
Assumed you've never managed anything before in your life, let alone joining a demoralised underperforming team. Give him time he's exploring the best way of getting this squad to be successful and learnt that Bojan made a difference against Leeds and so should start. Let him keep doing it until we win, much better than the stupidity we had from Lambert and Hughes who expected to keep doing the same thing and get different results. Managed a few things actually his record says he will keep you in this league that’s all , so far his pre season ,had been shambolic , his team selection woeful , his tactics non existent , two coaches have played him off the Park and he’s moaned a lot and now threatens more change I'll bet Gazza knows where to position commas though.
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Post by BuzzB on Aug 11, 2018 23:08:44 GMT
People have wanted a young manager for a good while now, Rowett is just that, he is still learning his trade. He has done well enough in his previous jobs he deserves a bit of patience, this is a different ball game, he has inherited a bunch of habitual losers & towel throwers. Rowett has been in charge for just 2 games. Brentford won by 5 last week we have had two very difficult opening fixtures. We currently have a team extremely low on confidence after regular batterings for the past 2 seasons so it's to be expected really. Add all that to a board that won't sanction his transfer requests what do we expect? He's a football manager not a miracle worker. What we are witnessing now is a reflection of the way the club has been run both on & off the pitch for the past 3 years, we have a grown a deep rooted losing mentality. This hangover might go on for some time yet. Is it Rowett's fault? I dont believe it is Thank you Mrs Rowett. (only joshing) My judgement on watching Stoke for nigh on 45 years is that we are in the shit, end of. Be prepared for a long long wait to get back up there. Alot of what you say is bob on, patience of the highest order is required. By the way, don't be so sure that the board are not sanctioning his requests , it could be the other way round.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 11, 2018 23:15:14 GMT
This is a manager who thinks McLean is better than choupo. Can you show me where he said that please, it would be an interesting read.....
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Post by Davef on Aug 11, 2018 23:15:57 GMT
I don't think Rowett did his research before joining us and he massively underestimated the amount of rebuilding we needed. I think he looked at some of the 'names', Shawcross, Butland, Allen and Co and thought that we'd simply been mismanaged and some better structure and organisation and a few additions could easily turn this squad into promotion winners. And that was the impression most of the media had of us too hence the promotion favourites tag. However a bit of proper research would have told him just how rotten things were. Ask any of the fans and they could have told him that Shawcross has been poor for two years now and his back injuries have done him in. They'd have told him that Allen is vastly overrated and his admirable work rate and attitude glosses over the fact that he doesn't really do anything productive. They'd have told him that Butland was poor last season and is living off his reputation. They'd have told him that our squad is woefully unbalanced, full of highly paid useless players on long contracts who will be impossible to get rid of and useless to use. They'd have told him that the squad has absolutely zero pace and creativity and the midfield is as flat as a witch's tit. Ever since the players came back for pre season training he's been making unhappy noises about the lack of new signings and the state of the squad. I think he quickly realised that we're in a worse state than he ever imagined and he's looked like a rabbit in the headlights. I just don't feel like he's got any control on the situation and I can't see this ending well. We need more than a few good loans to fix this. Oh for more posts like this on this message board instead of some of the reactionary, attention seeking garbage that infests it. Bang on the money Sam.
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Post by citylifer on Aug 11, 2018 23:17:06 GMT
Rowett gets his 20k a week come what may..hes going to make all the right noises but clearly is out of his depth..he didnt want to come to us in January and now he is our saviour..wake up guys hes the next man out of the door.
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Post by citylifer on Aug 11, 2018 23:19:53 GMT
I don't think Rowett did his research before joining us and he massively underestimated the amount of rebuilding we needed. I think he looked at some of the 'names', Shawcross, Butland, Allen and Co and thought that we'd simply been mismanaged and some better structure and organisation and a few additions could easily turn this squad into promotion winners. And that was the impression most of the media had of us too hence the promotion favourites tag. However a bit of proper research would have told him just how rotten things were. Ask any of the fans and they could have told him that Shawcross has been poor for two years now and his back injuries have done him in. They'd have told him that Allen is vastly overrated and his admirable work rate and attitude glosses over the fact that he doesn't really do anything productive. They'd have told him that Butland was poor last season and is living off his reputation. They'd have told him that our squad is woefully unbalanced, full of highly paid useless players on long contracts who will be impossible to get rid of and useless to use. They'd have told him that the squad has absolutely zero pace and creativity and the midfield is as flat as a witch's tit. Ever since the players came back for pre season training he's been making unhappy noises about the lack of new signings and the state of the squad. I think he quickly realised that we're in a worse state than he ever imagined and he's looked like a rabbit in the headlights. I just don't feel like he's got any control on the situation and I can't see this ending well. We need more than a few good loans to fix this. Oh for more posts like this on this message board instead of some of the reactionary, attention seeking garbage that infests it. Bang on the money Sam.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 11, 2018 23:22:14 GMT
A lot of us on here have mentioned bielsa many many times in recent years. We could have easily attracted him before leeds. Bielsa is not British, no chance of Coatsy even thinking about him sadly, And hes a bit of a nutter.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 11, 2018 23:26:33 GMT
People have wanted a young manager for a good while now, Rowett is just that, he is still learning his trade. He has done well enough in his previous jobs he deserves a bit of patience, this is a different ball game, he has inherited a bunch of habitual losers & towel throwers. Rowett has been in charge for just 2 games. Brentford won by 5 last week we have had two very difficult opening fixtures. We currently have a team extremely low on confidence after regular batterings for the past 2 seasons so it's to be expected really. Add all that to a board that won't sanction his transfer requests what do we expect? He's a football manager not a miracle worker. What we are witnessing now is a reflection of the way the club has been run both on & off the pitch for the past 3 years, we have a grown a deep rooted losing mentality. This hangover might go on for some time yet. Is it Rowett's fault? I dont believe it is Who didn't they sanction?
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Post by Sfance on Aug 12, 2018 0:26:09 GMT
Rowett deserves more time. He couldn’t have known what a mess he was walking into. But you can’t blame him for that. He’s hardly likely going to have stopped a couple of people on the street in Stoke and asked them what’s the real story. I suspect he’s a bit shell-shocked - from both ends of the club, players and bosses. I would be. This team was supposed to be a premier league team with premier league players!! I suspect that if he’s not able to bring in reinforcements or he’s not able to whip the existing stray dogs into shape, he will walk.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 12, 2018 0:29:06 GMT
Rowett deserves more time. He couldn’t have known what a mess he was walking into. But you can’t blame him for that. He’s hardly likely going to have stopped a couple of people on the street in Stoke and asked them what’s the real story. I suspect he’s a bit shell-shocked - from both ends of the club, players and bosses. I would be. This team was supposed to be a premier league team with premier league players!! I suspect that if he’s not able to bring in reinforcements or he’s not able to whip the existing stray dogs into shape, he will walk. Why on earth would he walk? He's on a 3 year contract with an ex Premier league club earning more money than he'll get anywhere else. He'd end up at Coventry or Walsall on a fraction of his current wage. Get a grip.
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Post by Sfance on Aug 12, 2018 0:32:34 GMT
I like him, at least, I like how he comes across in interviews. Why not believe what he says? He's walking a fine line and he's doing it well. After Hughes and Lambert his interviews are a breath of fresh air.
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Post by bathstoke on Aug 12, 2018 0:33:02 GMT
I don't think Rowett did his research before joining us and he massively underestimated the amount of rebuilding we needed. I think he looked at some of the 'names', Shawcross, Butland, Allen and Co and thought that we'd simply been mismanaged and some better structure and organisation and a few additions could easily turn this squad into promotion winners. And that was the impression most of the media had of us too hence the promotion favourites tag. However a bit of proper research would have told him just how rotten things were. Ask any of the fans and they could have told him that Shawcross has been poor for two years now and his back injuries have done him in. They'd have told him that Allen is vastly overrated and his admirable work rate and attitude glosses over the fact that he doesn't really do anything productive. They'd have told him that Butland was poor last season and is living off his reputation. They'd have told him that our squad is woefully unbalanced, full of highly paid useless players on long contracts who will be impossible to get rid of and useless to use. They'd have told him that the squad has absolutely zero pace and creativity and the midfield is as flat as a witch's tit. Ever since the players came back for pre season training he's been making unhappy noises about the lack of new signings and the state of the squad. I think he quickly realised that we're in a worse state than he ever imagined and he's looked like a rabbit in the headlights. I just don't feel like he's got any control on the situation and I can't see this ending well. We need more than a few good loans to fix this. Oh for more posts like this on this message board instead of some of the reactionary, attention seeking garbage that infests it. Bang on the money Sam. Why pick Sam out for special treatment...
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 12, 2018 0:38:34 GMT
I like him, at least, I like how he comes across in interviews. Why not believe what he says? He's walking a fine line and he's doing it well. After Hughes and Lambert his interviews are a breath of fresh air. He's just telling you what you want to hear. He's got absolutely no idea how to turn it around he's just winging it.
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Post by Sfance on Aug 12, 2018 0:40:00 GMT
And how do you know that?
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 12, 2018 0:43:16 GMT
And how do you know that? Nobody knows anything for sure but based on what I've seen and heard from him so far gives me little hope. What's his greatest achievement to date? It's not a trick question by the way...
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 12, 2018 0:45:19 GMT
I like him, at least, I like how he comes across in interviews. Why not believe what he says? He's walking a fine line and he's doing it well. After Hughes and Lambert his interviews are a breath of fresh air. He's just telling you what you want to hear. He's got absolutely no idea how to turn it around he's just winging it. We'll soon find out, he made the changes a lot of people wanted to see from last week so it seems he has some idea, its been two games, he's hopefully sussing out the players now, who wants to be here, who will put their all in etc.
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Post by Sfance on Aug 12, 2018 0:50:41 GMT
Yes, I agree . . . and he's probably tearing his hair out too. As for his greatest achievement to date Hackett . . . how long have you been supporting Stoke? Getting Derby into the play-off picture is a pretty good achievement in the grand scheme of things, particularly things that have to do with Stoke.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 12, 2018 0:52:49 GMT
He's just telling you what you want to hear. He's got absolutely no idea how to turn it around he's just winging it. We'll soon find out, he made the changes a lot of people wanted to see from last week so it seems he has some idea, its been two games, he's hopefully sussing out the players now, who wants to be here, who will put their all in etc. Lambert knew this 4 months ago hence I didn't see the point trading a poor manager with insight and understanding of the squad for another poor manager without.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 12, 2018 0:54:25 GMT
We'll soon find out, he made the changes a lot of people wanted to see from last week so it seems he has some idea, its been two games, he's hopefully sussing out the players now, who wants to be here, who will put their all in etc. Lambert knew this 4 months ago hence I didn't see the point trading a poor manager with insight and understanding of the squad for another poor manager without. Why do you think Rowett is a poor manager?
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 12, 2018 1:01:07 GMT
Lambert knew this 4 months ago hence I didn't see the point trading a poor manager with insight and understanding of the squad for another poor manager without. Why do you think Rowett is a poor manager? Because he hasn't achieved anything of note in his managerial career. He hasn't got a team promoted, he hasn't worked with top players, he's never worked with a big budget or with the amount of expectation he's currently got. He's a massive gamble for a club like us, we've got a small window of opportunity to bounce straight back up and I think we could have done a lot better.
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Post by pottarius on Aug 12, 2018 1:10:59 GMT
Excellent interview very honest I'd prefer him to have a winning side and him spouting bollocks at every presser TBH. We look a bloody awful mess
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Post by Sfance on Aug 12, 2018 1:16:31 GMT
Oh dear, look what ten years in the Prem have done to some of our supporters!
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 12, 2018 1:38:46 GMT
Why do you think Rowett is a poor manager? Because he hasn't achieved anything of note in his managerial career. He hasn't got a team promoted, he hasn't worked with top players, he's never worked with a big budget or with the amount of expectation he's currently got. He's a massive gamble for a club like us, we've got a small window of opportunity to bounce straight back up and I think we could have done a lot better. Most young up and coming managers are a risk, where's their ceiling, how good are they really, is it just a purple patch, not unlike a lot of young players, I'd point out his time at Brum to show he's got the makings of a good manager, did well on a budget, and had them over achieving, also did a decent job at Derby although unlimitedly they didn't make it all the way, the same with Burton, so he's shown he knows how to put a team together that can push for promotion. Its way to soon to start writing him off imo, we wanted young and up and coming, a fresh face and we got it, with that needs to come patience.
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