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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Aug 8, 2018 16:02:41 GMT
I was hoping we'd sign him before the start of last season! If we get him this and cheaper, it's brilliant business by Scholes and Cartwright and you all criticise them. OK we may have lost a bit because of relegation but you have to look at the long term strategy of brilliant business brains!
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 8, 2018 16:06:46 GMT
And he was a key part of their success (classing semi finals as a success), all of my Welsh friends consider him to be just as important as Ramsey for the national team. He obviously isn't a box to box midfielder, needs to be used differently. He obviously *isn't* a box to box midfielder?? Fook me well as he obviously isn't a DM, obviously isn't a #10 and obviously isn't a winger, exactly where else on the pitch is there left for him to stand? In the dugout with the other useless fuckers.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Aug 8, 2018 16:16:39 GMT
Liked him at Hull, always impressed me and was hoping we might have gone in for him a yr ago. Didn't reallfollw his progress at Swansea so unsure of how he went on there. Unfortunately he does seem in the mood of what we already have so not sure he's what we need at this moment in time
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 8, 2018 16:17:17 GMT
If it Rowett and wholeheartedly Rowett then why is Cartwright still employed by the club? Supposedly his role is to grease the wheels with agents and identify some - but by no means all - targets for the manager to run the rule over. He isn't saying "psst boss, I hear there's a lad at West Brom called Saido..." It's driven by the manager - nobody is signed without his say so. The complete volte face on the kind of player we're going for should indicate that. The problem isn't so much the structure as the imbeciles involved with it. If we had someone like Steve Walsh, even given his Everton failings, in a much expended version of Cartwright's job we'd have seen much better recruitment IMO. It's just that we've got this tit stealing a living and saying silly things/telling bare faced lies in the press when anyone questions him on it. Jobs for the boys. That's before you get to the other idiot who thinks he's a cross between Daniel Levy and Don Corelone at the negotiating table.
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Post by nutterpotter on Aug 8, 2018 16:18:04 GMT
www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-city-join-wolves-chase-15006289"It is understood that Stoke, the pre-season favourites to lift the Championship title after demotion from the Premier League, have also approached the Swans over a deal for Clucas. Clucas would like to return north and was thought to favour a Premier League move, he is keen to leave Swansea with the club prepared to sell him less than 12 months after he joined in a deal valued at £15million which saw Stephen Kingsley head in the opposite direction."
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Post by nigelkeyercoker on Aug 8, 2018 16:24:18 GMT
Fuck sake, in terms of money we have the power to buy anyone we want. But we go for Sam Clucas, an inconsistent player, so Swansea can have some money for Ryan Woods. Why on earth did we not buy a couple solid experienced proven Championship players and maybe another couple from the football league, such as marriott from peterboro. We have more than enough money and bargaining power and we shouldn't be settling for second best. Missed out on God knows how many players and we're going end up with Sam bloody Clucas. Buzzing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 16:27:11 GMT
If it Rowett and wholeheartedly Rowett then why is Cartwright still employed by the club? Supposedly his role is to grease the wheels with agents and identify some - but by no means all - targets for the manager to run the rule over. He isn't saying "psst boss, I hear there's a lad at West Brom called Saido..." It's driven by the manager - nobody is signed without his say so. The complete volte face on the kind of player we're going for should indicate that. The problem isn't so much the structure as the imbeciles involved with it. If we had someone like Steve Walsh, even given his Everton failings, in a much expended version of Cartwright's job we'd have seen much better recruitment IMO. It's just that we've got this tit stealing a living and saying silly things/telling bare faced lies in the press when anyone questions him on it. Jobs for the boys. That's before you get to the other idiot who thinks he's a cross between Daniel Levy and Don Corelone at the negotiating table. All fair enough. So out of Imbula, Berahino, Wimmer, Choupo, Jese, Haugaard and anyone else I can't think of, how many do we think Cartwright is responsible for? I'm quite certain he brought Jese in and quite certain Choupo was Hughes' man.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 8, 2018 16:29:02 GMT
Supposedly his role is to grease the wheels with agents and identify some - but by no means all - targets for the manager to run the rule over. He isn't saying "psst boss, I hear there's a lad at West Brom called Saido..." It's driven by the manager - nobody is signed without his say so. The complete volte face on the kind of player we're going for should indicate that. The problem isn't so much the structure as the imbeciles involved with it. If we had someone like Steve Walsh, even given his Everton failings, in a much expended version of Cartwright's job we'd have seen much better recruitment IMO. It's just that we've got this tit stealing a living and saying silly things/telling bare faced lies in the press when anyone questions him on it. Jobs for the boys. That's before you get to the other idiot who thinks he's a cross between Daniel Levy and Don Corelone at the negotiating table. All fair enough. So out of Imbula, Berahino, Wimmer, Choupo, Jese, Haugaard and anyone else I can't think of, how many do we think Cartwright is responsible for? I'm quite certain he brought Jese in and quite certain Choupo was Hughes' man. I wouldn't be surprised if Haugaard was his. I think the rest were Hughes. They all fit his MO 100%.
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Post by superheroantonius on Aug 8, 2018 17:09:45 GMT
Fuck sake, in terms of money we have the power to buy anyone we want. But we go for Sam Clucas, an inconsistent player, so Swansea can have some money for Ryan Woods. Why on earth did we not buy a couple solid experienced proven Championship players and maybe another couple from the football league, such as marriott from peterboro. We have more than enough money and bargaining power and we shouldn't be settling for second best. Missed out on God knows how many players and we're going end up with Sam bloody Clucas. Buzzing. As Goucho Marx said ... " A child of 5 could understand this . Send someone to fetch a child of 5 "
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Post by smatty88 on Aug 8, 2018 17:11:08 GMT
If Clucas's move to Burnley broke down because of personal terms I can't see us offering more given we're a league down?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 8, 2018 17:15:22 GMT
If it Rowett and wholeheartedly Rowett then why is Cartwright still employed by the club? Supposedly his role is to grease the wheels with agents and identify some - but by no means all - targets for the manager to run the rule over. He isn't saying "psst boss, I hear there's a lad at West Brom called Saido..." It's driven by the manager - nobody is signed without his say so. The complete volte face on the kind of player we're going for should indicate that. The problem isn't so much the structure as the imbeciles involved with it. If we had someone like Steve Walsh, even given his Everton failings, in a much expended version of Cartwright's job we'd have seen much better recruitment IMO. It's just that we've got this tit stealing a living and saying silly things/telling bare faced lies in the press when anyone questions him on it. Jobs for the boys. That's before you get to the other idiot who thinks he's a cross between Daniel Levy and Don Corelone at the negotiating table. What bare faced lies has he told to the press? As evidence for the prosecution I give you Etebo, Bauer, Badou and Staflydis? 4 recent signings, none of which were driven by the Manager of the football team.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 17:19:59 GMT
If Clucas's move to Burnley broke down because of personal terms I can't see us offering more given we're a league down? Game time could've been a factor, Burnley wanted him as cover?
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Post by colnepotter on Aug 8, 2018 17:20:03 GMT
Supposedly his role is to grease the wheels with agents and identify some - but by no means all - targets for the manager to run the rule over. He isn't saying "psst boss, I hear there's a lad at West Brom called Saido..." It's driven by the manager - nobody is signed without his say so. The complete volte face on the kind of player we're going for should indicate that. The problem isn't so much the structure as the imbeciles involved with it. If we had someone like Steve Walsh, even given his Everton failings, in a much expended version of Cartwright's job we'd have seen much better recruitment IMO. It's just that we've got this tit stealing a living and saying silly things/telling bare faced lies in the press when anyone questions him on it. Jobs for the boys. That's before you get to the other idiot who thinks he's a cross between Daniel Levy and Don Corelone at the negotiating table. What bare faced lies has he told to the press? As evidence for the prosecution I give you Etebo, Bauer, Badou and Staflydis? 4 recent signings, none of which were driven by the Manager of the football team. 3 of which are acknowledged as good signings by the baying mob on the Oatcake! Sorry boys I forgot the script......ooops
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 8, 2018 17:22:58 GMT
What bare faced lies has he told to the press? As evidence for the prosecution I give you Etebo, Bauer, Badou and Staflydis? 4 recent signings, none of which were driven by the Manager of the football team. 3 of which are acknowledged as good signings by the baying mob on the Oatcake! Sorry boys I forgot the script......ooops Good, bad or indifferent isn't really the point is it? Who is responsible for bringing players into the club is the question in this instance.
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Post by miggoscfc on Aug 8, 2018 17:23:05 GMT
If Clucas's move to Burnley broke down because of personal terms I can't see us offering more given we're a league down? Burnley have always offered pittance to their players, we will out match any offer they put on the table.
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Post by colnepotter on Aug 8, 2018 17:29:43 GMT
3 of which are acknowledged as good signings by the baying mob on the Oatcake! Sorry boys I forgot the script......ooops Good, bad or indifferent isn't really the point is it? Who is responsible for bringing players into the club is the question in this instance. Yeah see your point but it was firmly answered in the Sentinel several weeks back. Quite honestly there was nothing in the article that could be challenged I think. There was a cluster of signings that seem not to have worked for whatever reason. I don't think anyone disputes that?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 8, 2018 17:32:03 GMT
Good, bad or indifferent isn't really the point is it? Who is responsible for bringing players into the club is the question in this instance. Yeah see your point but it was firmly answered in the Sentinel several weeks back. Quite honestly there was nothing in the article that could be challenged I think. There was a cluster of signings that seem not to have worked for whatever reason. I don't think anyone disputes that? I read on twitter this morning that Rowett has allegedly said "I've never known a club that operates transfers in this way". Is this actually true? If it is true what does he mean?
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Post by colnepotter on Aug 8, 2018 17:32:21 GMT
Good, bad or indifferent isn't really the point is it? Who is responsible for bringing players into the club is the question in this instance. Yeah see your point but it was firmly answered in the Sentinel several weeks back. Quite honestly there was nothing in the article that could be challenged I think. There was a cluster of signings that seem not to have worked for whatever reason. I don't think anyone disputes that? Sorry just to add. The process straddles either side of the cluster of course.
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Post by colnepotter on Aug 8, 2018 17:34:37 GMT
Yeah see your point but it was firmly answered in the Sentinel several weeks back. Quite honestly there was nothing in the article that could be challenged I think. There was a cluster of signings that seem not to have worked for whatever reason. I don't think anyone disputes that? I read on twitter this morning that Rowett has allegedly said "I've never known a club that operates transfers in this way". Is this actually true? If it is true what does he mean? Pull the other one I would suggest...
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 8, 2018 17:36:03 GMT
I read on twitter this morning that Rowett has allegedly said "I've never known a club that operates transfers in this way". Is this actually true? If it is true what does he mean? Pull the other one I would suggest... It was on the twitter of someone with media interest so if it is utter bullshit it would appear strange given that access to the club will most likely be denied.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 8, 2018 17:47:50 GMT
All fair enough. So out of Imbula, Berahino, Wimmer, Choupo, Jese, Haugaard and anyone else I can't think of, how many do we think Cartwright is responsible for? I'm quite certain he brought Jese in and quite certain Choupo was Hughes' man. I wouldn't be surprised if Haugaard was his. I think the rest were Hughes. They all fit his MO 100%. Haugaard was a Sorro recommendation.
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 8, 2018 17:59:14 GMT
I was hoping we'd sign him before the start of last season! If we get him this and cheaper, it's brilliant business by Scholes and Cartwright and you all criticise them. OK we may have lost a bit because of relegation but you have to look at the long term strategy of brilliant business brains! Clucas is 27, if we leave it 10 years or so he will be even cheaper. Just think what we could do with the millions we could save. We´d also save a tidy sum on his wages too as I´m sure he´ll not be able to demand the same wedge at 37 as he does now.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 8, 2018 18:00:51 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if Haugaard was his. I think the rest were Hughes. They all fit his MO 100%. Haugaard was a Sorro recommendation. Cheers. Sorro’s probably better than him now.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 8, 2018 18:04:50 GMT
Supposedly his role is to grease the wheels with agents and identify some - but by no means all - targets for the manager to run the rule over. He isn't saying "psst boss, I hear there's a lad at West Brom called Saido..." It's driven by the manager - nobody is signed without his say so. The complete volte face on the kind of player we're going for should indicate that. The problem isn't so much the structure as the imbeciles involved with it. If we had someone like Steve Walsh, even given his Everton failings, in a much expended version of Cartwright's job we'd have seen much better recruitment IMO. It's just that we've got this tit stealing a living and saying silly things/telling bare faced lies in the press when anyone questions him on it. Jobs for the boys. That's before you get to the other idiot who thinks he's a cross between Daniel Levy and Don Corelone at the negotiating table. What bare faced lies has he told to the press? As evidence for the prosecution I give you Etebo, Bauer, Badou and Staflydis? 4 recent signings, none of which were driven by the Manager of the football team. He claimed Bauer was his signing, whereas he was actually spotted by Bowen on a scouting trip. Deals for him and Badou were a way down the road before Hughes was sacked. Etebo was a pizza boys one I think yeah, and Stafylidis purportedly was.
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Post by Fred Merger on Aug 8, 2018 18:05:13 GMT
Haugaard was a Sorro recommendation. Cheers. Sorro’s probably better than him now. A Saudi Arabian shoplifter is better than Haugaard!
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Aug 8, 2018 18:25:45 GMT
I was hoping we'd sign him before the start of last season! If we get him this and cheaper, it's brilliant business by Scholes and Cartwright and you all criticise them. OK we may have lost a bit because of relegation but you have to look at the long term strategy of brilliant business brains! Clucas is 27, if we leave it 10 years or so he will be even cheaper. Just think what we could do with the millions we could save. We´d also save a tidy sum on his wages too as I´m sure he´ll not be able to demand the same wedge at 37 as he does now. Well something's got to pay for Sir Tony of Scholes statue!
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 8, 2018 19:58:47 GMT
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Post by gingerninja on Aug 8, 2018 20:04:31 GMT
Can somebody ask Nixon what else, if anything is on the horizon?.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 20:05:11 GMT
Nixon late to the party again....
Alan Nixon @reluctantnicko 6m minutes ago
SAM CLUCAS. Late mover in the race. Stoke City ... busy times at Swansea.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Aug 8, 2018 20:07:19 GMT
I wouldn't be overly impressed with Clucas to be honest, but at this stage I'm just happy to be linked with somebody.
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