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Post by werrington on Sept 14, 2018 7:36:01 GMT
I’ve got nothing against Sam Clucas and hope he’s up and running soon enough but surely there were players equally as good if not better who are available and fit to come in and compete for a place immediately. As another poster alluded above he won’t be ready and firing properly until after Christmas- half way through the season and halfway through our promotion push- sorry mid table campaign- sorry our relegation battle... And if we’d done that and that player got a bad knee injury first game that would of been the medical staffs fault ....that’s how it works yeah ? The club just can’t win can they
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 14, 2018 7:37:13 GMT
Not up and running until Christmas?! Since when was that next week? Best get shopping.
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Post by Northy on Sept 14, 2018 7:40:06 GMT
£6m for a championship club isn't low It kind of is though. Hence why the prices we get are so bloody shocking. Not really, take out the clubs getting parachute paymnents and the odd big signing by leeds then the price for an average midfielder (and one who is injured) is way below that. Reading bought Sam Baldock, somebody who normally guarantees goals at this level for under £4m www.transfermarkt.com/championship/transfers/wettbewerb/GB2
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 14, 2018 7:50:02 GMT
Dont know how we'll cope until Christmas, we're running short of central midfielders
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2018 8:19:21 GMT
It kind of is though. Hence why the prices we get are so bloody shocking. Not really, take out the clubs getting parachute paymnents and the odd big signing by leeds then the price for an average midfielder (and one who is injured) is way below that. Reading bought Sam Baldock, somebody who normally guarantees goals at this level for under £4m www.transfermarkt.com/championship/transfers/wettbewerb/GB25 seasons in the Champo and 2 where he's got a good record. It's not a stellar example. We've overpaid a lot this summer certainly but Clucas at 6m is about the right money for me.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 14, 2018 8:37:11 GMT
Not really, take out the clubs getting parachute paymnents and the odd big signing by leeds then the price for an average midfielder (and one who is injured) is way below that. Reading bought Sam Baldock, somebody who normally guarantees goals at this level for under £4m www.transfermarkt.com/championship/transfers/wettbewerb/GB25 seasons in the Champo and 2 where he's got a good record. It's not a stellar example. We've overpaid a lot this summer certainly but Clucas at 6m is about the right money for me. More worrying is Rowett's inability (so far) to get a tune out of proven Championship players. I quite like Clucas and agree with your valuation of him.
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 14, 2018 8:40:06 GMT
Dont know how we'll cope until Christmas, we're running short of central midfielders You forgot to put decent between of and central
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Post by SCFC92 on Sept 14, 2018 8:52:31 GMT
Love how everyone blows things out of proportion on this site
We've gone from GR saying we need to move with caution to ensure that when he comes back, he comes back fully fit and not ready for another injury. To he won't be back til Christmas and we should have spent the money elsewhere. I'm glad I don't sit next to some of you at the match you'd drive me fucking mad!
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Sept 14, 2018 8:52:54 GMT
A long term knee injury which required surgery and no pre-season what so ever...he was never going to be starting within 3 weeks was he?
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 14, 2018 9:19:50 GMT
Dont know how we'll cope until Christmas, we're running short of central midfielders You forgot to put decent between of and central I bet anybody in this league would swap their group of central midfielders for ours. Woods looks a good signing, so does etebo. Once we're up & running I think we'll look good in that department
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Post by Gods on Sept 14, 2018 9:24:08 GMT
A long term knee injury which required surgery and no pre-season what so ever...he was never going to be starting within 3 weeks was he? No he wasn't and he hasn't, it was fanciful, quite bizarre, pie in the sky
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 14, 2018 9:25:58 GMT
Once this group click we'll start to look the part, lots of new faces. Plenty of time yet.
A bit of a cliche, but I don't know what all the fuss is about 😁
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Post by lordb on Sept 14, 2018 9:27:51 GMT
I can understand why the club bought this player for less than half what Swansea paid for him,even if he's not going to be playing for months. He's got a reputation as a useful player in the Premier League.
What I can't understand is why say he's going to be back Sept/Oct when it must have been obvious it would be much longer than that. Mismanaging supporter expectations re injured players is a stupid own goal.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2018 10:31:41 GMT
5 seasons in the Champo and 2 where he's got a good record. It's not a stellar example. We've overpaid a lot this summer certainly but Clucas at 6m is about the right money for me. More worrying is Rowett's inability (so far) to get a tune out of proven Championship players. I quite like Clucas and agree with your valuation of him. I agree to an extent. But he's bought some shit (McClean) that won't help the player best suited to score us goals in Afobe. I think there's an over burden on the we spent money thing. Money doesn't buy you success. We've signed 3 players that we needed imo, Woods, Afobe and Ince. The rest are much of a muchness to what we had before or worse. I think the recruitment has been poor tbh but that stems from the recruitment team and the ethos of the club.
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 14, 2018 10:53:26 GMT
More worrying is Rowett's inability (so far) to get a tune out of proven Championship players. I quite like Clucas and agree with your valuation of him. I agree to an extent. But he's bought some shit (McClean) that won't help the player best suited to score us goals in Afobe. I think there's an over burden on the we spent money thing. Money doesn't buy you success. We've signed 3 players that we needed imo, Woods, Afobe and Ince. The rest are much of a muchness to what we had before or worse. I think the recruitment has been poor tbh but that stems from the recruitment team and the ethos of the club. Tend to agree Bayern. 3 decent signings and some bang average.Yet quite a few on here seem happy with our window. There were some transfers done by our competitors that we should have been all over but seemingly weren't interested. This is mostly Rowetts team when Clucas is fit so has nowhere to hide. Still surprised at the poor form of players who did ok last season...thats a concern.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2018 11:10:03 GMT
I agree to an extent. But he's bought some shit (McClean) that won't help the player best suited to score us goals in Afobe. I think there's an over burden on the we spent money thing. Money doesn't buy you success. We've signed 3 players that we needed imo, Woods, Afobe and Ince. The rest are much of a muchness to what we had before or worse. I think the recruitment has been poor tbh but that stems from the recruitment team and the ethos of the club. Tend to agree Bayern. 3 decent signings and some bang average.Yet quite a few on here seem happy with our window. There were some transfers done by our competitors that we should have been all over but seemingly weren't interested. This is mostly Rowetts team when Clucas is fit so has nowhere to hide. Still surprised at the poor form of players who did ok last season...thats a concern. Clucas is a good player but midfield wise he's what we had in Allen, Imbula, Etebo, N'Diaye etc. Did we need him? Well yes and no. I want him at left back, I'd also have him on the left wing, we thought he was bought in for DM. And then we sign the player we actually needed in Woods. It's a mess. I don't mind Clucas and he will be useful but the logic behind his signing is just fuzzy at best. As I've been saying for years, I think the club is rotten. You won't get a side that does well in the environment we currently have at the club.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 14, 2018 11:14:39 GMT
Tend to agree Bayern. 3 decent signings and some bang average.Yet quite a few on here seem happy with our window. There were some transfers done by our competitors that we should have been all over but seemingly weren't interested. This is mostly Rowetts team when Clucas is fit so has nowhere to hide. Still surprised at the poor form of players who did ok last season...thats a concern. Clucas is a good player but midfield wise he's what we had in Allen, Imbula, Etebo, N'Diaye etc. Did we need him? Well yes and no. I want him at left back, I'd also have him on the left wing, we thought he was bought in for DM. And then we sign the player we actually needed in Woods. It's a mess. I don't mind Clucas and he will be useful but the logic behind his signing is just fuzzy at best. As I've been saying for years, I think the club is rotten. You won't get a side that does well in the environment we currently have at the club. I agree with you. It can't be any coincidence that formerly decent players seem to turn to shite once they don the stripes, can it?
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Post by xchpotter on Sept 14, 2018 11:18:03 GMT
Never thought we’d get anything out of him until 2019.....why is anyone remotely surprised?
Treatment of his injury is paramount and he shouldn’t be rushed. The questions to ask are did we know this from the off and are our medical team as incompetent as other areas in the club in making proper assessments and decisions in purchasing the player in the first place? Either way it’s not great but as with most things Stoke I’m quite apethic to the general mismanagement and fucktardary going on.......I just wonder what needs to happen to make it change.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Sept 14, 2018 11:40:49 GMT
Once this group click we'll start to look the part, lots of new faces. Plenty of time yet. A bit of a cliche, but I don't know what all the fuss is about 😁 Enough with your positivity, it’s not welcome here😂
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Post by iamcliveclarke on Sept 14, 2018 11:43:05 GMT
A bloody joke. Typical Stoke! Has a nice ring to it. Our new motto?
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 14, 2018 13:23:41 GMT
Anyone who thought we'd see him in action much before the end of October, if then, was kidding themselves. He is a decent player, at below market price, and will be a good long-term signing.
As bayern says, we still show muddled thinking in our transfer policy, always having too many for one position and not enough for another, overpaying for some, getting a good deal on others, and now having 50m+ of players out on loan. It could well take until next summer before Rowett gets a proper grip on the squad rebuilding and really makes it his own. We were in a real mess and are not out of the woods yet.
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