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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 3, 2018 19:57:11 GMT
Maybe able to deliver a decent cross, which is something we don't see too often!? Is he going to replace McClean? Who knows, I thought he was going to be our holder in the middle then we signed woods, aint got the foggiest now.
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 3, 2018 20:06:54 GMT
Is he going to replace McClean? Who knows, I thought he was going to be our holder in the middle then we signed woods, aint got the foggiest now. That's what I thought.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 3, 2018 22:36:22 GMT
I think this lad will make the world of difference to us going forward. Why? Actually shoots from distance, good passer.
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Sept 3, 2018 23:11:47 GMT
No idea where he's going to fit in.
We have about 6 players fighting for 2 or 3 positions.
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 4, 2018 5:01:55 GMT
Maybe able to deliver a decent cross, which is something we don't see too often!? Is he going to replace McClean? Pieters?
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 4, 2018 5:17:51 GMT
Maybe able to deliver a decent cross, which is something we don't see too often!? Is he going to replace McClean? Why would he want to replace McClean with Woods?
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 4, 2018 7:46:58 GMT
Is he going to replace McClean? Why would he want to replace McClean with Woods? We're talking about Clucas.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 4, 2018 7:58:17 GMT
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Post by Eggybread on Sept 4, 2018 8:23:03 GMT
Why would he want to replace McClean with Woods? We're talking about Clucas. Ooops same question applies but about Clucas .My mistake.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 4, 2018 9:01:19 GMT
According to his stats on Transfermarkt - he has played virtually the same number of matches as defensive midfield as he has at left back - not very many. The left side of central midfield is where he has played most of his games - but does that mean he has played on the left of a midfield 3 - or has he played at left wing back. I suppose it is just possible that playing Clucas and Woods might see us move to a 343 system. Although I would have expected a serious attempt to sign at least one more central defender if we were. For what its worth I'd quite like to see Clucas and Edwards/Bauer as wing backs with Woods and Etebo as the central pairing. But, as I said, I'm not at all sure we have the central defenders to play it.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Sept 4, 2018 10:12:29 GMT
Woods behind Etebo and Clucks is my preference.
Dropping the undroppable might also give Allen a kick up the arse because he's never had to fight for his place at Stoke and he's become pretty abysmal.
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Post by Absolution on Sept 4, 2018 10:15:15 GMT
According to his stats on Transfermarkt - he has played virtually the same number of matches as defensive midfield as he has at left back - not very many. The left side of central midfield is where he has played most of his games - but does that mean he has played on the left of a midfield 3 - or has he played at left wing back. I suppose it is just possible that playing Clucas and Woods might see us move to a 343 system. Although I would have expected a serious attempt to sign at least one more central defender if we were. For what its worth I'd quite like to see Clucas and Edwards/Bauer as wing backs with Woods and Etebo as the central pairing. But, as I said, I'm not at all sure we have the central defenders to play it. Would Pieters be suited on the left of the three, with McClean or Clucas as the wing back. He has the pace (well, sometimes he looks like he has the pace), and he'd never need to cross a ball again.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Sept 4, 2018 10:19:40 GMT
I reckon he’s thinking Allen at no 10
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 4, 2018 10:38:05 GMT
I don't agree with obsession on this MB with wing-backs. (This thread and others.)
Wing backs are a great concept, but for them to be successful the players have to be exceptionally good, They need to have the ability to closely mark and tackle, the technical ability to beat a man and centre/pass the ball well, and they have to be fast and have tremendous stamina to get up and down the pitch.
People talk about playing "3 at the back" but it is actually 5 at the back with the wide men venturing forward when the opportunity arises. Simply playing 3 at the back is a recipe for failure (as demonstrated by Hughes) because opponents play the ball into the space in the corners and get behind the defence. It also results in spaces between the back 3 for the opposition to exploit.
We have never had any player capable of playing WB. No one has had sufficient skills; certainly not Diouf, Bauer (poor defender), McClean, etc. Moses only became a WB after he went back to Chelsea and to get into the Chelsea first team squad. Whether Clucas is good enough I don't know, but I would doubt it. It he was that good he would not be here and be worth more than £8m.
As for where to fit him in, after this international break games are going to be coming thick and fast. There will be injuries, suspensions, tiredness, as well as players out of form (we have a few). Rowett is going to need every man he's got in the squad. Other teams that are flying at the moment will start to feel the pace and slow down. Leeds performance curve has flattened out and they have been beaten by Preston, despite a nearly first choice side playing.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 4, 2018 10:39:43 GMT
I reckon he’s thinking Allen at no 10 After Saturday's loss and Allen playing for Wales, maybe twice, Rowett could decide to rest Allen against Wednesday.
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 4, 2018 11:04:13 GMT
According to his stats on Transfermarkt - he has played virtually the same number of matches as defensive midfield as he has at left back - not very many. The left side of central midfield is where he has played most of his games - but does that mean he has played on the left of a midfield 3 - or has he played at left wing back. I suppose it is just possible that playing Clucas and Woods might see us move to a 343 system. Although I would have expected a serious attempt to sign at least one more central defender if we were. For what its worth I'd quite like to see Clucas and Edwards/Bauer as wing backs with Woods and Etebo as the central pairing. But, as I said, I'm not at all sure we have the central defenders to play it. Yes with you on this one forny, Clucas was originally a left wide player and has since added some defensive composure and experience to his game. In 3 at the back, and I am not saying these are great options but there is Martina, Williams, Shawcross,Bruno, and even Pieters. Maybe 3 of those five might be enough for him to look at that formation. I always favour a creative No10, but sadly long term it's not going to happen with GR so he will continue with his chosen 433 replacing Etebo, which would give the pizza boys a kick in the nuts which I am sure GR would enjoy, with Clucas and his front 3 of Ince Afobe McClean which I am convinced won't be good enough to win 25+ games and score enough goals for promotion.
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 4, 2018 11:05:48 GMT
I don't agree with obsession on this MB with wing-backs. (This thread and others.) Wing backs are a great concept, but for them to be successful the players have to be exceptionally good, They need to have the ability to closely mark and tackle, the technical ability to beat a man and centre/pass the ball well, and they have to be fast and have tremendous stamina to get up and down the pitch. People talk about playing "3 at the back" but it is actually 5 at the back with the wide men venturing forward when the opportunity arises. Simply playing 3 at the back is a recipe for failure (as demonstrated by Hughes) because opponents play the ball into the space in the corners and get behind the defence. It also results in spaces between the back 3 for the opposition to exploit. We have never had any player capable of playing WB. No one has had sufficient skills; certainly not Diouf, Bauer (poor defender), McClean, etc. Moses only became a WB after he went back to Chelsea and to get into the Chelsea first team squad. Whether Clucas is good enough I don't know, but I would doubt it. It he was that good he would not be here and be worth more than £8m. As for where to fit him in, after this international break games are going to be coming thick and fast. There will be injuries, suspensions, tiredness, as well as players out of form (we have a few). Rowett is going to need every man he's got in the squad. Other teams that are flying at the moment will start to feel the pace and slow down. Leeds performance curve has flattened out and they have been beaten by Preston, despite a nearly first choice side playing. Boooo...
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 4, 2018 11:31:11 GMT
I don't agree with obsession on this MB with wing-backs. (This thread and others.) Wing backs are a great concept, but for them to be successful the players have to be exceptionally good, They need to have the ability to closely mark and tackle, the technical ability to beat a man and centre/pass the ball well, and they have to be fast and have tremendous stamina to get up and down the pitch. People talk about playing "3 at the back" but it is actually 5 at the back with the wide men venturing forward when the opportunity arises. Simply playing 3 at the back is a recipe for failure (as demonstrated by Hughes) because opponents play the ball into the space in the corners and get behind the defence. It also results in spaces between the back 3 for the opposition to exploit. We have never had any player capable of playing WB. No one has had sufficient skills; certainly not Diouf, Bauer (poor defender), McClean, etc. Moses only became a WB after he went back to Chelsea and to get into the Chelsea first team squad. Whether Clucas is good enough I don't know, but I would doubt it. It he was that good he would not be here and be worth more than £8m. As for where to fit him in, after this international break games are going to be coming thick and fast. There will be injuries, suspensions, tiredness, as well as players out of form (we have a few). Rowett is going to need every man he's got in the squad. Other teams that are flying at the moment will start to feel the pace and slow down. Leeds performance curve has flattened out and they have been beaten by Preston, despite a nearly first choice side playing. Boooo... We have no suitable forward to play one up front, but we still do it. Keep the dream alive! 😁
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Sept 4, 2018 12:18:48 GMT
I reckon he’s thinking Allen at no 10 After Saturday's loss and Allen playing for Wales, maybe twice, Rowett could decide to rest Allen against Wednesday. would make sense, especially if Clucas is available then.
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Post by cheadlestokie on Sept 4, 2018 12:26:20 GMT
I still believe that we have to play 2 up front and would prefer 4312.
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Post by wilcopotter on Sept 4, 2018 13:19:20 GMT
I reckon he’s thinking Allen at no 10 Maybe Clucas is Allen’s replacement. Come January if we are not in the “pack”, we may cash in and sell Allen, or Allen may want to leave. He may not be the only one either.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 4, 2018 13:22:49 GMT
When he's fit, he could get a run out on the left now with McClean's injury
But can't see him being rushed to start there at Sheff Weds. So it'll probably be Ince left and Diouf right in the very short-term?
But if McClean is out for a long period, Clucas on the left and Ince on the right looks the best bet, despite Ince's ability to play on the left.
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Post by werrington on Sept 4, 2018 13:47:34 GMT
When he's fit, he could get a run out on the left now with McClean's injury But can't see him being rushed to start there at Sheff Weds. So it'll probably be Ince left and Diouf right in the very short-term? But if McClean is out for a long period, Clucas on the left and Ince on the right looks the best bet, despite Ince's ability to play on the left. He ( Maclean) will probably be able to wear a lightweight protective cast do may well be fit for Sheffield Wednesday
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 4, 2018 17:23:25 GMT
Doesn't really sound like he thinks he'll be ready to go for Sheffield Wednesday
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 5, 2018 12:43:04 GMT
When he's fit, he could get a run out on the left now with McClean's injury But can't see him being rushed to start there at Sheff Weds. So it'll probably be Ince left and Diouf right in the very short-term? But if McClean is out for a long period, Clucas on the left and Ince on the right looks the best bet, despite Ince's ability to play on the left. Ince was close for the last game so should be fit for the next, to play on the left with Diouf right, as you say. Clucas is a mid-October job, I would suggest, if he is only now starting to get involved in full training, with no pre-season behind him.
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Sept 5, 2018 14:45:34 GMT
Woods behind Etebo and Clucks is my preference. Dropping the undroppable might also give Allen a kick up the arse because he's never had to fight for his place at Stoke and he's become pretty abysmal. This. But do you really think Gutless Gary will drop the human duracell bunny??
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 15:18:34 GMT
Wouldn't be surprised to see Allen leave in January.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 5, 2018 16:48:41 GMT
Wouldn't be surprised to see Allen leave in January. Fingers crossed.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Sept 5, 2018 19:35:45 GMT
Woods behind Etebo and Clucks is my preference. Dropping the undroppable might also give Allen a kick up the arse because he's never had to fight for his place at Stoke and he's become pretty abysmal. This. But do you really think Gutless Gary will drop the human duracell bunny?? I think he might, but not for a good few weeks. I also think Allen will force his way back in, even though I think he's pretty abysmal.
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Sept 5, 2018 19:44:49 GMT
For some strange reason every time I read his name it comes out as Santa Claus. Well he will be in Red and White and we may get to see him by Christmas. 🤪 Same here. I just did a search to see if I was the only one...and nope.
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