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Post by thevoid on Aug 7, 2018 10:03:02 GMT
Main problem here is that we aren't the "new" anything - we're the same old Stoke of last season and the back-end of the season before - it really is worrying after the appalling capitulation last season that even with a new manager and a few new faces it was like nothing had changed at all - and that concerns me greatly and I blame Coates for NOT delivering the implied root & branch reform/ clean sweep he promised only a few short months ago. There's a stench about the place and a cloud hanging over the club - every team in the Championship will have seen that yesterday and will take heart that we are very very vulnerable and will fancy their chances if they get in our faces...... We have to have a swift & decisive response and put a bouyant Brentford back in their place on Sat in order to steady the ship and instil some belief in players and supporters alike - we are shit scared at the moment & other teams will smell the fear like a pack of rabid dogs...!!!! If we lose to the likes of tinpot brentford with the money we have spent on keeping players on with high wages and the signings we have made its time to shut up shop There's nothing tinpot about Brentford. A progressive club who play some great football who've been more than comfortable since they reached this level. They're more than capable of beating our shower of shit on Saturday.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 10:04:15 GMT
There are serious issues and questions about our performance on Sunday that need to be answered this weekend. 'Are we the new Sunderland?' isn't one of them. Have a bit of happiness in your life, take a break from hating everything, you'll feel much better Its called living in the real world It's called being an absolute weirdo who's crying over one game. Chillax man.
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Post by thegift on Aug 7, 2018 10:06:02 GMT
Its called living in the real world It's called being an absolute weirdo who's crying over one game. Chillax man. I'm not crying, but its disheartening and shambolic
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Post by torquaypotter on Aug 7, 2018 10:07:37 GMT
Oh my god one defeat and this comes up, please give it a rest
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 10:07:44 GMT
It's called being an absolute weirdo who's crying over one game. Chillax man. I'm not crying, but its disheartening and shambolic You've taken time out of your life to post a question of whether, after losing one game against an fairly good side who were on top form, we're going to be relegated twice in 2 seasons despite keeping most of our best players. There are big issues with Sunday, but you need to calm down.
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Post by pottermouth on Aug 7, 2018 11:29:02 GMT
No such a stupid question, we have got England number 2, a decent back line a shit midfield and a good front 3, just need a dm a left back and a striker on loan aswell as a winger and then we will be sorted The England No 2 is looking like he’s going Chelsea; our back line is crap and slow; awful front three.
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Post by ProctorDre on Aug 7, 2018 11:32:18 GMT
Main problem here is that we aren't the "new" anything - we're the same old Stoke of last season and the back-end of the season before - it really is worrying after the appalling capitulation last season that even with a new manager and a few new faces it was like nothing had changed at all - and that concerns me greatly and I blame Coates for NOT delivering the implied root & branch reform/ clean sweep he promised only a few short months ago. There's a stench about the place and a cloud hanging over the club - every team in the Championship will have seen that yesterday and will take heart that we are very very vulnerable and will fancy their chances if they get in our faces...... We have to have a swift & decisive response and put a bouyant Brentford back in their place on Sat in order to steady the ship and instil some belief in players and supporters alike - we are shit scared at the moment & other teams will smell the fear like a pack of rabid dogs...!!!! If we lose to the likes of tinpot brentford with the money we have spent on keeping players on with high wages and the signings we have made its time to shut up shop Brentford ain't tin pot. Good team with a good manager and I think they'll do well. Massively ignorant to call them tinpot. Shut up shop? What on earth are you on about?! If we lose Saturday we'll just dissolve the club and never play again eh? Don't half talk some bollocks you!
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Post by thegift on Aug 7, 2018 11:57:38 GMT
If we lose to the likes of tinpot brentford with the money we have spent on keeping players on with high wages and the signings we have made its time to shut up shop Brentford ain't tin pot. Good team with a good manager and I think they'll do well. Massively ignorant to call them tinpot. Shut up shop? What on earth are you on about?! If we lose Saturday we'll just dissolve the club and never play again eh? Don't half talk some bollocks you! Didn't quite mean it like pack your bags and never play again, I was more referring to the fact that we know were not going anywhere this year
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Post by ProctorDre on Aug 7, 2018 12:05:28 GMT
Brentford ain't tin pot. Good team with a good manager and I think they'll do well. Massively ignorant to call them tinpot. Shut up shop? What on earth are you on about?! If we lose Saturday we'll just dissolve the club and never play again eh? Don't half talk some bollocks you! Didn't quite mean it like pack your bags and never play again, I was more referring to the fact that we know were not going anywhere this year Not what shut up shop means is it... But alright, lets go with the way you meant it. 2 games played out of 46 and we'll just write the season off because "were not going anywhere" after 2 of the 46 games have been played. Still talking bollocks whichever way you meant it.
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Post by thegift on Aug 7, 2018 12:21:13 GMT
Didn't quite mean it like pack your bags and never play again, I was more referring to the fact that we know were not going anywhere this year Not what shut up shop means is it... But alright, lets go with the way you meant it. 2 games played out of 46 and we'll just write the season off because "were not going anywhere" after 2 of the 46 games have been played. Still talking bollocks whichever way you meant it. Shut up shop our hopes of promotion. You may have them tinted specs on pal but we are still rottenl all the way through the club. Rowett has made it clear he's not happy in his interviews as well.
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Post by tony1234 on Aug 7, 2018 12:21:25 GMT
If we lose to the likes of tinpot brentford with the money we have spent on keeping players on with high wages and the signings we have made its time to shut up shop Brentford are one of the best teams in the league. Calling them "tinpot" means nothing if you haven't done your research. They've been building this team, way of playing/recruiting/analysing for 7-8 years and you're calling them tinpot, presumably because they are historically a small club with no recent top-flight experience. You always make a hash of every thread you create or wade into because you clearly take a punt on making statements without knowing the facts. League position correlates with wages. And wages, traditionally, with income and income with fan base size. ("Correlates" - does not mean the absence of anomolies and outliers, just 'a general tendancy') I can see what both are saying. "Tin pot" is just a harsh way to put it, in the face of a club that - on gates of 10k - would have seemed to have signficantly out performed where they would be if they'd conformed to the league position you'd expect from their size alone. Something to applaud and respect in that, surely as footie fans: its not a fluke, its not been "bought" - its the result of the excellent execution of a longer term plan, which has created what appears a really good club and team. Each and every year they continue as they do, they get less "tin pot" and likewise, we are in danger of becoming more "tin pot". Way too early to call us the new Sunderland - they've been heinous off the pitch for 8 years!, and us more like 2-3, but they are a stark warning and we could learn from their mistakes.
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Post by ProctorDre on Aug 7, 2018 12:43:10 GMT
Not what shut up shop means is it... But alright, lets go with the way you meant it. 2 games played out of 46 and we'll just write the season off because "were not going anywhere" after 2 of the 46 games have been played. Still talking bollocks whichever way you meant it. Shut up shop our hopes of promotion. You may have them tinted specs on pal but we are still rottenl all the way through the club. Rowett has made it clear he's not happy in his interviews as well. I haven't got tinted specs on, that just seems to be the comeback to anyone who's not a completely over the top miserable fucker! Just because some people don't catastrophise everything doesn't mean they have rose tinted specs on. Yeah he has. Doesn't mean you're not talking bollocks saying we may as well "shut up shop" after two games of the season.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 12:51:18 GMT
dunna werrit Once we get our long balls working to perfection and counter-attacking breaks executed properly, we will be top of the league in no time
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Post by mermaidsal on Aug 7, 2018 13:10:02 GMT
dunna werrit Once we get our long balls working to perfection and counter-attacking breaks executed properly, we will be top of the league in no time You missed out the Back 7 of psychotic cloggers But if that's what it takes, couldn't be cooler with me.
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Post by stokief on Aug 7, 2018 13:13:53 GMT
My problem is,although ever the pessimist where Stoke are concerned in the hope that they'll surprise me, they haven't the last couple of seasons. I was filled with doom and gloom at the start of the last and I don't feel much better now. WE shouldn't have needed a wake up call. Worse still, we looked as clueless and lacking in belief and confidence as we did last season. We've lost Grant, soon to lose Butland(and even if he doesn't get his, ahem, 'dream move' his head will be all over the place like his shaky hands at the week-end. I don't get our tactics, neither it seems do the players. There still seems to be a huge cloud of despondancy hanging over them. We really needed a good performance and a great result to zing us back to life, but predictably we capitulated. I just don't see this changing I really can see the season going spectacularly t1ts up. Something has to happen to snap us all out of this. The slippery slope is very difficult to scramble back up once you've skidded unceremoniously to the bottom with all eyes upon you. I hate to be a mongerer of doom AGAIN but I really think we're in freefall.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 13:43:38 GMT
dunna werrit Once we get our long balls working to perfection and counter-attacking breaks executed properly, we will be top of the league in no time You missed out the Back 7 of psychotic cloggers But if that's what it takes, couldn't be cooler with me. me too
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Post by SCFC92 on Aug 7, 2018 13:44:03 GMT
Christ Alive, NO you absolute wet wipe!
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Aug 7, 2018 13:57:10 GMT
After Sunday i would say we are still on a downward spiral freefall call it what you like. So yes we could be the new Sunderland something not quite right at Bet 365 HQ.
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Post by Block 22 on Aug 7, 2018 14:00:32 GMT
If we beat Brentford will everybody be saying we’re more like Newcastle?
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Post by stokerstayinup on Aug 7, 2018 14:25:04 GMT
Reading into it, i know what your hinting. There is a possibility. I'm saying the chances are better than 80/1. Probably more like 40/1. That's a massive 1% difference
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Post by awrypotter on Aug 7, 2018 14:25:37 GMT
It does seem like we are still sleep-walking down the slope. I fear the decline will continue with the Pizza Boys running the show unless the Coates family seriously change things.
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Post by stokie1082 on Aug 7, 2018 15:52:25 GMT
Were the next Tramere
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Post by christhepotter on Aug 7, 2018 15:56:44 GMT
No such a stupid question, we have got England number 2, a decent back line a shit midfield and a good front 3, just need a dm a left back and a striker on loan aswell as a winger and then we will be sorted A decent back line , are you serious, that’s the defence what took us down , no pace and very prone to errors , look at Leeds they ripped us apart at times , we need new pacey CB’s , Peters needs upgrading also
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Post by kidcrewbob on Aug 7, 2018 16:04:06 GMT
If we beat Brentford will everybody be saying we’re more like Newcastle? nah - just feckin relieved !!!
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Post by stokief on Aug 7, 2018 16:49:56 GMT
If we beat Brentford will everybody be saying we’re more like Newcastle? I seriously doubt very much that we'll beat Brentford, especially if he fields an unchanged team. This rot has to be stopped or the initial enthusiasm of the support will soon drop away and then we really are stuffed. I'm on a real downer I know but something doesn't 'feel ' right. Sometimes you can just sense that there's a plan, a team spirit and togetherness like we had with the promotional winning team. This lot seem like they can't believe they're playing in the Championship. Thoroughly unprepared mentally and physically. Rowett's got a fair job on his hands. We've missed out on Gayle and I wouldn't be surprised if we missed out on Vydra because of wage demands (plus a Premiership side came in for him)I don't believe that Rowett wasn't interested, but if it makes us feel better to think so, hey-ho! I really hope that the behind-the-scenes team are pulling their fingers out. I saw nothing, (I know early days) to suggest this is anything other than a mid-table squad...and herein lies the problem, most of this lot think they're too good for this league, imagine how apathetic they'll become if we do start to be a mid-table team. Gawd help us, THEN we'll be the new Sunderland. How we got from steady Eddies with a sprinkling of stardust to where we are now will always bamboozle me beyond belief and YET many of us saw it coming without having to be an 'insider'. I'm no Mystic Meg but I do say prepare to be disappointed. As usual, rant over and would love to be utterly proved Wrong! UP THE MIGHTY POTTERSSSSS.
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Post by Block 22 on Aug 7, 2018 17:10:43 GMT
If we beat Brentford will everybody be saying we’re more like Newcastle? I seriously doubt very much that we'll beat Brentford, especially if he fields an unchanged team. This rot has to be stopped or the initial enthusiasm of the support will soon drop away and then we really are stuffed. I'm on a real downer I know but something doesn't 'feel ' right. Sometimes you can just sense that there's a plan, a team spirit and togetherness like we had with the promotional winning team. This lot seem like they can't believe they're playing in the Championship. Thoroughly unprepared mentally and physically. Rowett's got a fair job on his hands. We've missed out on Gayle and I wouldn't be surprised if we missed out on Vydra because of wage demands (plus a Premiership side came in for him)I don't believe that Rowett wasn't interested, but if it makes us feel better to think so, hey-ho! I really hope that the behind-the-scenes team are pulling their fingers out. I saw nothing, (I know early days) to suggest this is anything other than a mid-table squad...and herein lies the problem, most of this lot think they're too good for this league, imagine how apathetic they'll become if we do start to be a mid-table team. Gawd help us, THEN we'll be the new Sunderland. How we got from steady Eddies with a sprinkling of stardust to where we are now will always bamboozle me beyond belief and YET many of us saw it coming without having to be an 'insider'. I'm no Mystic Meg but I do say prepare to be disappointed. As usual, rant over and would love to be utterly proved Wrong! UP THE MIGHTY POTTERSSSSS. We’ll win 2-0
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Post by stokief on Aug 7, 2018 17:12:38 GMT
I seriously doubt very much that we'll beat Brentford, especially if he fields an unchanged team. This rot has to be stopped or the initial enthusiasm of the support will soon drop away and then we really are stuffed. I'm on a real downer I know but something doesn't 'feel ' right. Sometimes you can just sense that there's a plan, a team spirit and togetherness like we had with the promotional winning team. This lot seem like they can't believe they're playing in the Championship. Thoroughly unprepared mentally and physically. Rowett's got a fair job on his hands. We've missed out on Gayle and I wouldn't be surprised if we missed out on Vydra because of wage demands (plus a Premiership side came in for him)I don't believe that Rowett wasn't interested, but if it makes us feel better to think so, hey-ho! I really hope that the behind-the-scenes team are pulling their fingers out. I saw nothing, (I know early days) to suggest this is anything other than a mid-table squad...and herein lies the problem, most of this lot think they're too good for this league, imagine how apathetic they'll become if we do start to be a mid-table team. Gawd help us, THEN we'll be the new Sunderland. How we got from steady Eddies with a sprinkling of stardust to where we are now will always bamboozle me beyond belief and YET many of us saw it coming without having to be an 'insider'. I'm no Mystic Meg but I do say prepare to be disappointed. As usual, rant over and would love to be utterly proved Wrong! UP THE MIGHTY POTTERSSSSS. We’ll win 2-0 [/quote Okey doke I really do hope we win.
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Post by mermaidsal on Aug 7, 2018 22:13:16 GMT
My problem is,although ever the pessimist where Stoke are concerned in the hope that they'll surprise me, they haven't the last couple of seasons. I was filled with doom and gloom at the start of the last and I don't feel much better now. WE shouldn't have needed a wake up call. Worse still, we looked as clueless and lacking in belief and confidence as we did last season. We've lost Grant, soon to lose Butland(and even if he doesn't get his, ahem, 'dream move' his head will be all over the place like his shaky hands at the week-end. I don't get our tactics, neither it seems do the players. There still seems to be a huge cloud of despondancy hanging over them. We really needed a good performance and a great result to zing us back to life, but predictably we capitulated. I just don't see this changing I really can see the season going spectacularly t1ts up. Something has to happen to snap us all out of this. The slippery slope is very difficult to scramble back up once you've skidded unceremoniously to the bottom with all eyes upon you. I hate to be a mongerer of doom AGAIN but I really think we're in freefall. f, I went to hit Like but then thought, let's ask each other again in 3 months? Ever the semi-optimist...
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Post by thegift on Aug 8, 2018 7:11:03 GMT
Oh my god one defeat and this comes up, please give it a rest It wasn't just a defeat though, was it?
A complete and utter embarrassment for 90 minutes
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Post by DodgyDino on Aug 8, 2018 8:15:14 GMT
Just putting things in perspective from a long time Leeds fan I know... He couldnt believe how good Leeds looked against us. He says he doesn't believe their new gaffer has suddenly got them playing so well and said it's got to be stoke being so bad.... time will tell I suppose.
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