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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 12:34:59 GMT
One game against a team who played out of their skin and suddenly we're doomed, FML. Why did our lot not play out of their skins? Because they were unfit, ill prepared, uncommitted and under coached. It's still just one game. You can't expect us to win every single game, and we are going to be outplayed occasionally no matter what league we are in. No need for all the doom and gloom, if you want to support a team that wins every week then you've chosen the wrong club, the wrong league, and the wrong country. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 12:35:09 GMT
I don't think we are anywhere near that. I can certainly see us struggling in the short term, whilst new players bed in and old players adjust.
Longer term we'll be fine.
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Aug 6, 2018 12:36:43 GMT
Yes you are.  Seriously though, no need to panic yet. Continue to be shit until Christmas then you can panic. Funny how yourselves & us seem to go up & down at the same time over the years. Maybe its a red & white stripe thing. |
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Post by miltonstokienew on Aug 6, 2018 12:43:45 GMT
Yes you are. Seriously though, no need to panic yet. Continue to be shit until Christmas then you can panic. Funny how yourselves & us seem to go up & down at the same time over the years. Maybe its a red & white stripe thing. ffs mate .. we've been in the top division for 10 years. Sunderland have been up and down more than Katie Prices' knickers |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 12:48:03 GMT
Serious question.
Showing all the glimpses of them when they got double relegated.
Not a clue from top to bottom, and judging the signings, the pre season matches and yesterday, its not looking good.
For anyone that slates me for asking this, I'm sure Sunderland fans said exactly the same about them at the start of the year saying there was no chance of relegation again.
Something needs to change and fast.
PS - I also asked a similar question at christmas asking if we were going to do a QPR and got slated.... now look  Read more, post less. Fascist. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 6, 2018 12:54:29 GMT
Serious answer:
ITS BEEN ONE FUCKING GAME!!
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Post by stokeykez on Aug 6, 2018 13:11:35 GMT
Let u know in 40 games time
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Post by pavel on Aug 6, 2018 13:13:13 GMT
No but there are serious questions to be asked. We have some decent players at the club but again we look unprepared and ill equipped to compete against teams who press, move and pass with a high intensity even now at championship level. Rowett came in early but we still seem not to know our best side, lack shape, balance and we are tactically one dimensional (1st game so I would expect improvement). We have two central defenders who are slow on the turn, tend to dive in (because they know if the player gets away they are dead in the water) and who don't seem to be able to cope against pace, passing and movement, they are too similar and don't complement each other. We also have a left back who can't pass and looks increasingly vulnerable positionally wise.
Individually the 3 midfield players are fine but again they are all to similar and I was baffled by what they were asked to do yesterday, that is if they were asked to do anything. They didn't press as a unit, sat far to deep yet not one of them took responsibility to take the ball and bring it out of defence (that may be instructions), they didn't link up with the attack in any meaningful manner but then again the ball was punted over their heads most of the time. All they seemed to do was run around like headless chickens! I was also baffled why we needed the 3 yesterday when we had McClean on the wing doing a similar job. We cant afford a formation like that, it leaves us with no creativity and light up top to support the striker/strikers. Badou wants to be gone and looked like he had gone already so lets work with what we have got it it comes to it. Allen can sit and be the man to bring the ball out of defence, provide cover for them and be basically the water carrier, he's done it for Wales very well, so it is in his locker. You have to question successive Stoke managers utilisation of him, they seem to think he is a link player because of his energy but he's certainly not, Rowett seems to be making the same mistake. Etebo could play the Kante role, no he's not Kante but he's certainly good enough for the job at this level.
We need some guile to link the midfield and forwards and Bojan showed what he could when he came on. He created more in ten minutes that anyone has done all game, give him a run and get some movement in front of him and we will create some chances. If Rowett doesn't fancy him then he must invest in someone else who can do the job, because the likes of McClean aren't going to do it, he's a plodder who will run all day but create nothing.
Afobe was hard to judge because he got no service whatsoever, he's not a target man and punting the ball up to an isolated striker is madness tactically, Ince looked OK first half but faded badly but both have done well at this level before, we just need to play to their strengths. We have the midfield and forward looking players to pass and move and to press but I'm not sure that's Rowett's plan, however if we continue with our current muddled thinking and tactics we will be in trouble in terms of even getting into the play offs. We were given a football lesson both off and on the field yesterday by a team costing a fraction of ours but which was prepared to run, move and pass and to take a chance and express themselves, we were as bad, if not worse, than anything I've seen under Hughes and Lambert but now against championship opposition.
Our defence needs a complete rethink, there should be no sentiment shown and we must have a unit which complements each other rather than one that contains the same weaknesses.
What really concerned me though was Rowett's comments after the match, he took no responsibility for how the side had been set up, the tactics, the lack of preparation and lack of energy, he's had these players for a while now and he should have instilled some sort of cohesion and game plan that would play to their strengths rather than weaknesses. His praise of McClean was baffling, yes he gave is all but that is the minimum requirement of a footballer, for all his berating other players and for all his running he created nothing, he's an awful footballer but he was singled out for praise. Bojan however was not mentioned even though he created more in his time on the pitch than anyone else and we looked closer to scoring than at anytime in the match with him on, I fear we might see very little of him in the future.
It's very early days yet, we still have time to bring in more players and we will get better, surely, but this was never going to be a walk in the park to promotion or either the playoffs, everyone has to up their game at the club and no one is immune from criticism for yesterdays shambolic display.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 13:53:36 GMT
I thought we were the new QPR 🤔
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Post by superheroantonius on Aug 6, 2018 14:01:35 GMT
we are already the new sunderland
overweight , over rated , over paid players everywhere , and the powers that be can't be arsed to change it NOW
leave it for another day , sleep on it , blah blah
was sunderland and is now stoke
the club needs to get real and show some humility , by getting rid of a load of deadwood at massive loss , then signing cheaper , younger , quicker more hungry players
nobody cares whether a player once played for a champions league club or a prem club
we need fit young players on the up , from the lower leagues . Players who believe in themselves and give their all for 90 minutes
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Post by thegift on Aug 6, 2018 14:01:55 GMT
I thought we were the new QPR 🤔 Hughes already sent us down like he did with QPR, that's done and dusted as I called at Christmas. |
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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 6, 2018 14:05:19 GMT
They play in red n white like we do , call maulder and scully
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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 6, 2018 14:08:26 GMT
No but there are serious questions to be asked. We have some decent players at the club but again we look unprepared and ill equipped to compete against teams who press, move and pass with a high intensity even now at championship level. Rowett came in early but we still seem not to know our best side, lack shape, balance and we are tactically one dimensional (1st game so I would expect improvement). We have two central defenders who are slow on the turn, tend to dive in (because they know if the player gets away they are dead in the water) and who don't seem to be able to cope against pace, passing and movement, they are too similar and don't complement each other. We also have a left back who can't pass and looks increasingly vulnerable positionally wise. Individually the 3 midfield players are fine but again they are all to similar and I was baffled by what they were asked to do yesterday, that is if they were asked to do anything. They didn't press as a unit, sat far to deep yet not one of them took responsibility to take the ball and bring it out of defence (that may be instructions), they didn't link up with the attack in any meaningful manner but then again the ball was punted over their heads most of the time. All they seemed to do was run around like headless chickens! I was also baffled why we needed the 3 yesterday when we had McClean on the wing doing a similar job. We cant afford a formation like that, it leaves us with no creativity and light up top to support the striker/strikers. Badou wants to be gone and looked like he had gone already so lets work with what we have got it it comes to it. Allen can sit and be the man to bring the ball out of defence, provide cover for them and be basically the water carrier, he's done it for Wales very well, so it is in his locker. You have to question successive Stoke managers utilisation of him, they seem to think he is a link player because of his energy but he's certainly not, Rowett seems to be making the same mistake. Etebo could play the Kante role, no he's not Kante but he's certainly good enough for the job at this level. We need some guile to link the midfield and forwards and Bojan showed what he could when he came on. He created more in ten minutes that anyone has done all game, give him a run and get some movement in front of him and we will create some chances. If Rowett doesn't fancy him then he must invest in someone else who can do the job, because the likes of McClean aren't going to do it, he's a plodder who will run all day but create nothing. Afobe was hard to judge because he got no service whatsoever, he's not a target man and punting the ball up to an isolated striker is madness tactically, Ince looked OK first half but faded badly but both have done well at this level before, we just need to play to their strengths. We have the midfield and forward looking players to pass and move and to press but I'm not sure that's Rowett's plan, however if we continue with our current muddled thinking and tactics we will be in trouble in terms of even getting into the play offs. We were given a football lesson both off and on the field yesterday by a team costing a fraction of ours but which was prepared to run, move and pass and to take a chance and express themselves, we were as bad, if not worse, than anything I've seen under Hughes and Lambert but now against championship opposition. Our defence needs a complete rethink, there should be no sentiment shown and we must have a unit which complements each other rather than one that contains the same weaknesses. What really concerned me though was Rowett's comments after the match, he took no responsibility for how the side had been set up, the tactics, the lack of preparation and lack of energy, he's had these players for a while now and he should have instilled some sort of cohesion and game plan that would play to their strengths rather than weaknesses. His praise of McClean was baffling, yes he gave is all but that is the minimum requirement of a footballer, for all his berating other players and for all his running he created nothing, he's an awful footballer but he was singled out for praise. Bojan however was not mentioned even though he created more in his time on the pitch than anyone else and we looked closer to scoring than at anytime in the match with him on, I fear we might see very little of him in the future. It's very early days yet, we still have time to bring in more players and we will get better, surely, but this was never going to be a walk in the park to promotion or either the playoffs, everyone has to up their game at the club and no one is immune from criticism for yesterdays shambolic display. That’s a great lot of writing , are you on holiday or at work , if the latter then please consider me if any vacancies arise 😂 |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 6, 2018 14:44:21 GMT
No we are the new Leicester we will get promoted then win the title  They had to go down to Div.1 first though. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 14:56:41 GMT
No but you're the new Benji.
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Aug 6, 2018 15:30:54 GMT
You couldn't wait to make this thread could you?
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Post by thegift on Aug 6, 2018 15:36:21 GMT
You couldn't wait to make this thread could you? Was buzzing ever since we went 1-0 nil down after spending 150 quid yesterday, yeah you are right  |
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Post by Roger Everyone on Aug 6, 2018 15:40:12 GMT
After one game....i don't think so, get ready to be slated again 😁
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Post by thegift on Aug 6, 2018 15:54:27 GMT
After one game....i don't think so, get ready to be slated again 😁 Merely asked a question sunshine. |
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Post by lloydcolesguitar on Aug 6, 2018 19:18:23 GMT
After one game....i don't think so, get ready to be slated again 😁 It hasnt been one game though has it It has been dross and downhiil since Jan '16 yet some are happy with fiddling while Stoke burns and crashes And for that i blame Charisma. If the pizza girls wernt doing their job he should have shown some spunk and walked. |
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Post by bloodtypered on Aug 6, 2018 19:19:41 GMT
No
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Post by thegift on Aug 6, 2018 19:21:50 GMT
After one game....i don't think so, get ready to be slated again 😁 It hasnt been one game though has it It has been dross and downhiil since Jan '16 yet some are happy with fiddling while Stoke burns and crashes And for that i blame Charisma. If the pizza girls wernt doing their job he should have shown some spunk and walked. Its the same delusional weirdos that said we weren't going down at christmas. They need to wake up and smell the coffee |
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Post by lloydcolesguitar on Aug 6, 2018 19:25:21 GMT
It hasnt been one game though has it It has been dross and downhiil since Jan '16 yet some are happy with fiddling while Stoke burns and crashes And for that i blame Charisma. If the pizza girls wernt doing their job he should have shown some spunk and walked. Its the same delusional weirdos that said we weren't going down at christmas. They need to wake up and smell the coffee [br All this started during Charisma's extended honeymoon which he would never have been afforded had he not followed TP, aagggh sorry mentioned him, how very rude !oh and if the chairman hadnt fallen asleep on question time things may have been different. |
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Post by thegift on Aug 6, 2018 19:27:00 GMT
Its the same delusional weirdos that said we weren't going down at christmas. They need to wake up and smell the coffee [br All this started during Charisma's extended honeymoon which he would never have been afforded had he not followed TP, aagggh sorry mentioned him, how very rude ! But TP played a second string team at valencia lets all hate him  Maybe some of the clowns on here now will realise what an UNREAL job Pulis did for us. |
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Post by Pricey on Aug 6, 2018 19:27:48 GMT
No, but that doesn't mean it's not worth taking out insurance just in case. Fiver gets your season ticket money back if we go down: got to be worth it.
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Post by thegift on Aug 6, 2018 19:29:42 GMT
No, but that doesn't mean it's not worth taking out insurance just in case. Fiver gets your season ticket money back if we go down: got to be worth it. Reading into it, i know what your hinting. There is a possibility. |
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Post by nott1 on Aug 6, 2018 19:31:49 GMT
we are already the new sunderland overweight , over rated , over paid players everywhere , and the powers that be can't be arsed to change it NOW leave it for another day , sleep on it , blah blah was sunderland and is now stoke the club needs to get real and show some humility , by getting rid of a load of deadwood at massive loss , then signing cheaper , younger , quicker more hungry players nobody cares whether a player once played for a champions league club or a prem club we need fit young players on the up , from the lower leagues . Players who believe in themselves and give their all for 90 minutes We need good motivated players and they don't HAVE to be young, they just need to be a lot better than the hapless wankers we have now! |
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Post by Pricey on Aug 6, 2018 19:34:27 GMT
No, but that doesn't mean it's not worth taking out insurance just in case. Fiver gets your season ticket money back if we go down: got to be worth it. Reading into it, i know what your hinting. There is a possibility. I'm saying the chances are better than 80/1. Probably more like 40/1. |
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Post by thegift on Aug 6, 2018 19:39:10 GMT
Reading into it, i know what your hinting. There is a possibility. I'm saying the chances are better than 80/1. Probably more like 40/1. Judging by our pre season, and pathetic performance yesterday + the deadwood and scholes and cartwright at the helm, id say its closer to 10/1 |
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Post by Pricey on Aug 6, 2018 19:41:05 GMT
I'm saying the chances are better than 80/1. Probably more like 40/1. Judging by our pre season, and pathetic performance yesterday + the deadwood and scholes and cartwright at the helm, id say its closer to 10/1 Happy to give you 12/1 if you want to bet on it. |
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