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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 7:54:44 GMT
Of course bojan has to play.
4-3-3 won't work with this group.
We need someone who can find space and create. We only have bojan who can do that
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Post by claytonscrubs on Aug 11, 2018 8:06:45 GMT
Mentally and physically i’ve always had my doubts about Bojan. But we’ve lost players like Arnie, Shaq and Ireland.....We desperately need some creativity in the side..... I’d give Bojan one last chance to see if he can replicate some of that pre-Rochdale form.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 11, 2018 8:29:03 GMT
Of course bojan has to play. 4-3-3 won't work with this group. We need someone who can find space and create. We only have bojan who can do that For me this is the crux of the matter. 433 is a great formation IF you have great players to play it properly. If your all 3 midfield players are all singing, all dancing players with pace, passing ability and flair it is fantastic. If they are not, then they don't have the capability to defend when they need to - and attack with pace and flair when appropriate. Similarly the front 3 - if you have 3 talented players there and your team will flourish - 3 average players and they won't. 4231 moves one player out of the midfield 3 and puts him in the number 10 role which is the crucial position in the team linking the midfield and attack and bringing the 2 wide players and the striker into the game. It demands a high quality player with flair but, if you can find that player, then it makes the job of the 2 remaining midfielders simpler and, hopefully benefits the game of the wide players and the striker. Bojan has looked in pre season as if he MIGHT be getting his Mojo back. If he has then he may shine in the role - he should at least be given the chance early in the season. The International window closes at the end of the month - we would be foolish not to try Bojan out in a number 10 role before making any decision as to whether we should let him move.
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Post by toppercorner on Aug 11, 2018 8:34:08 GMT
i'll start to lose faith with rowett if he persists with the already unworkable 433.
Get Bojan on, lets have some excitement, creativity and something to sing about.
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Post by blackpoolred on Aug 11, 2018 8:34:45 GMT
What have we got to lose by giving him a shot. We have no creativity in the team and nobody could be arsed last week. At least he looked bothered and if he can reach his full potential then we have a gem at this level
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 11, 2018 8:50:42 GMT
Of course bojan has to play. 4-3-3 won't work with this group. We need someone who can find space and create. We only have bojan who can do that For me this is the crux of the matter. 433 is a great formation IF you have great players to play it properly. If your all 3 midfield players are all singing, all dancing players with pace, passing ability and flair it is fantastic. If they are not, then they don't have the capability to defend when they need to - and attack with pace and flair when appropriate. Similarly the front 3 - if you have 3 talented players there and your team will flourish - 3 average players and they won't. 4231 moves one player out of the midfield 3 and puts him in the number 10 role which is the crucial position in the team linking the midfield and attack and bringing the 2 wide players and the striker into the game. It demands a high quality player with flair but, if you can find that player, then it makes the job of the 2 remaining midfielders simpler and, hopefully benefits the game of the wide players and the striker. Bojan has looked in pre season as if he MIGHT be getting his Mojo back. If he has then he may shine in the role - he should at least be given the chance early in the season. The International window closes at the end of the month - we would be foolish not to try Bojan out in a number 10 role before making any decision as to whether we should let him move. I agree about the 433 but I'd like to see us try a 352 or 3511 with Bauer and McClean as wing backs and front pair of any combination of Berahino, Afobe, Bojan and Ince. The big problem with 433 with two front wide men is that the striker gets isolated and is easy to pick off. I'd like to see 2 mobile players making it difficult for the opposition central defenders. If we can somehow get a front 2 out of those 4 to click we could get the goals we need. Of course now I've said that we'll play 433 and score a hatful...
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 11, 2018 9:02:12 GMT
For me this is the crux of the matter. 433 is a great formation IF you have great players to play it properly. If your all 3 midfield players are all singing, all dancing players with pace, passing ability and flair it is fantastic. If they are not, then they don't have the capability to defend when they need to - and attack with pace and flair when appropriate. Similarly the front 3 - if you have 3 talented players there and your team will flourish - 3 average players and they won't. 4231 moves one player out of the midfield 3 and puts him in the number 10 role which is the crucial position in the team linking the midfield and attack and bringing the 2 wide players and the striker into the game. It demands a high quality player with flair but, if you can find that player, then it makes the job of the 2 remaining midfielders simpler and, hopefully benefits the game of the wide players and the striker. Bojan has looked in pre season as if he MIGHT be getting his Mojo back. If he has then he may shine in the role - he should at least be given the chance early in the season. The International window closes at the end of the month - we would be foolish not to try Bojan out in a number 10 role before making any decision as to whether we should let him move. I agree about the 433 but I'd like to see us try a 352 or 3511 with Bauer and McClean as wing backs and front pair of any combination of Berahino, Afobe, Bojan and Ince. The big problem with 433 with two front wide men is that the striker gets isolated and is easy to pick off. I'd like to see 2 mobile players making it difficult for the opposition central defenders. If we can somehow get a front 2 out of those 4 to click we could get the goals we need. Of course now I've said that we'll play 433 and score a hatful... I don't really have a problem with the concept of 3 at the back - IF we have the players to play it. But we don't have the players - we haven't got sufficient pace or numbers to play 3 centre backs for more than a game or two (one injury in the back three and we are knackered) and we are lacking a wing back on the left with pace, fair and experience.
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Post by rondogmcmuffin on Aug 11, 2018 9:05:55 GMT
I hope to god I get to see our Spanish Prince today. I'll hold my hands up, he's been ineffective in some games but I just love the little magician.
Let the abuse for having a favourite player commence!
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Post by ParaPsych on Aug 11, 2018 9:40:52 GMT
Bojan rolling back the years to find that amazing form again and keeping it throughout the season, as we gain promotion in style and he joins the ranks of some of the talismanic legends who have come before him.
It's a beautiful dream, but sadly at the moment still more likely to be fantasy than reality.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 9:44:57 GMT
I hope to god I get to see our Spanish Prince today. I'll hold my hands up, he's been ineffective in some games but I just love the little magician. Let the abuse for having a favourite player commence! That's only part of the conundrum. We actually 'need' a Number 10. So, name a better one than Bojan. Play 4-3-3 again today, and we'd better be decent.
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Post by rondogmcmuffin on Aug 11, 2018 9:53:38 GMT
I hope to god I get to see our Spanish Prince today. I'll hold my hands up, he's been ineffective in some games but I just love the little magician. Let the abuse for having a favourite player commence! That's only part of the conundrum. We actually 'need' a Number 10. So, name a better one than Bojan. Play 4-3-3 again today, and we'd better be decent. I couldn't think of anything worse than watching that 433 again. It was horrible. It's ok to make mistakes, it's when you don't learn from them it's unforgivable.
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Post by stantheman on Aug 11, 2018 10:05:35 GMT
Afobe was way too isolated last week. Balls lumped up to him (mainly from Ryan) and no team mate within 20 yards.
The wide players today just need to get down the flanks and cross, and repeat and repeat.
Play the Spanish Stein alongside Afobe and we will score goals
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 11, 2018 10:09:19 GMT
I'd like to see him starting today.
Can't see it though.
I think it'll be the same 4-3-3 (maybe with Williams starting instead of BMI?)
Rowett seemed quite defensive of Badou, saying he looked off the pace as he had done so little pre-season.
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Post by Scrotnig on Aug 11, 2018 10:18:31 GMT
Oddly I still like Bojan. A lot class him in the "players we have to ship out" group, but unlike with many of those I cannot simply forget his many moments of class with us before his injury.
Surely he can bring something to us.
We all loved him on here at one point, I can remember those days well.
Am I just being pointlessly nostalgic?
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Post by Scrotnig on Aug 11, 2018 10:20:08 GMT
I hope to god I get to see our Spanish Prince today. I'll hold my hands up, he's been ineffective in some games but I just love the little magician. Let the abuse for having a favourite player commence! He is, or was, bloody great and I think he should be given a run of games. Let's face it, he surely can't be worse than some of what we've had. I have a real soft spot for him.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Aug 11, 2018 10:20:37 GMT
What has he done since his injury to make people clamour for him like this? It's insane. The height of "Stokealona" came late Nov / Dec / Early Jan of 2015/16 and featured an absolutely sensational attacking three of Bojan, Arnautovic and Shaqiri. All three had gelled, all three were in form, and not only did it result in comfortable victories over Man City and Man United, it was absolutely thrilling to watch. The "Bojan has been crap since his injury" is a falsehood. He was inexplicably dropped after a good performance and never allowed a run in the side again. The signing of Joe Allen pushed him down the pecking order (disgracefully) but despite that he still has a record of one goal every three games for us.
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Post by Scrotnig on Aug 11, 2018 10:24:07 GMT
What has he done since his injury to make people clamour for him like this? It's insane. The height of "Stokealona" came late Nov / Dec / Early Jan of 2015/16 and featured an absolutely sensational attacking three of Bojan, Arnautovic and Shaqiri. All three had gelled, all three were in form, and not only did it result in comfortable victories over Man City and Man United, it was absolutely thrilling to watch. The "Bojan has been crap since his injury" is a falsehood. He was inexplicably dropped after a good performance and never allowed a run in the side again. The signing of Joe Allen pushed him down the pecking order (disgracefully) but despite that he still has a record of one goal every three games for us. Yes! Yes! Yes! Absolutely this! He also had to recover from an awful injury and the rehabilitation takes time, as Jack is discovering, doesn't mean you don't eventually get there. Maybe it's nostalgia for the times you describe, but it's not as if anyone else is setting the place on fire, I think it would give us a real boost if he got a run of games and showed even the occasional hint of what he used to give us. Football isn't just about statistics and what's on paper, sometimes a bit of 'feelgood' oils the wheels, and I reckon we need that and thus we need BOJAN!
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Post by rondogmcmuffin on Aug 11, 2018 10:34:23 GMT
I hope to god I get to see our Spanish Prince today. I'll hold my hands up, he's been ineffective in some games but I just love the little magician. Let the abuse for having a favourite player commence! He is, or was, bloody great and I think he should be given a run of games. Let's face it, he surely can't be worse than some of what we've had. I have a real soft spot for him. I imagine if he starts on the bench there will be multiple "Ole ole ole ole, Bojan, Bojan" chants from fans sharing similar views
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Post by Scrotnig on Aug 11, 2018 10:38:05 GMT
He is, or was, bloody great and I think he should be given a run of games. Let's face it, he surely can't be worse than some of what we've had. I have a real soft spot for him. I imagine if he starts on the bench there will be multiple "Ole ole ole ole, Bojan, Bojan" chants from fans sharing similar views Good! This type of thing is exactly what we need and exactly what we've been lacking. Which other player could provoke such a reaction? This sort of thing at this point in time is worth more than any arguments over form or even tactics and formation. We need some feelgood factor and confidence.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 11, 2018 10:57:20 GMT
What has he done since his injury to make people clamour for him like this? It's insane. The height of "Stokealona" came late Nov / Dec / Early Jan of 2015/16 and featured an absolutely sensational attacking three of Bojan, Arnautovic and Shaqiri. All three had gelled, all three were in form, and not only did it result in comfortable victories over Man City and Man United, it was absolutely thrilling to watch. The "Bojan has been crap since his injury" is a falsehood. He was inexplicably dropped after a good performance and never allowed a run in the side again. The signing of Joe Allen pushed him down the pecking order (disgracefully) but despite that he still has a record of one goal every three games for us. That’s not actually entirely what happened. There was the odd game where he’d done well the week before and was unlucky to be dropped. But in 15/16 he was poor in a bad run and our results improved with him out of the side. In 16/17 he was given a fair few chances in his best position against modest opposition and didn’t do anything. He did nothing in two loan spells either. The notion that he was as good as he ever was pre-injury and should never have been out of the side doesn’t stand up. That said, I thought he did well when he came on at Leeds and we have nobody else who can do what he can on his day. I’d give him a run in the absence of other options.
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Post by stantheman on Aug 11, 2018 11:00:52 GMT
What has he done since his injury to make people clamour for him like this? It's insane. The height of "Stokealona" came late Nov / Dec / Early Jan of 2015/16 and featured an absolutely sensational attacking three of Bojan, Arnautovic and Shaqiri. All three had gelled, all three were in form, and not only did it result in comfortable victories over Man City and Man United, it was absolutely thrilling to watch. The "Bojan has been crap since his injury" is a falsehood. He was inexplicably dropped after a good performance and never allowed a run in the side again. The signing of Joe Allen pushed him down the pecking order (disgracefully) but despite that he still has a record of one goal every three games for us. The 4-3 win at Everton was the best example of that front 3 working like a well oiled machine. Give the little man a good run of games, not just the odd 20 minutes and see what he can do
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 11, 2018 11:10:18 GMT
The height of "Stokealona" came late Nov / Dec / Early Jan of 2015/16 and featured an absolutely sensational attacking three of Bojan, Arnautovic and Shaqiri. All three had gelled, all three were in form, and not only did it result in comfortable victories over Man City and Man United, it was absolutely thrilling to watch. The "Bojan has been crap since his injury" is a falsehood. He was inexplicably dropped after a good performance and never allowed a run in the side again. The signing of Joe Allen pushed him down the pecking order (disgracefully) but despite that he still has a record of one goal every three games for us. That’s not actually entirely what happened. There was the odd game where he’d done well the week before and was unlucky to be dropped. But in 15/16 he was poor in a bad run and our results improved with him out of the side. In 16/17 he was given a fair few chances in his best position against modest opposition and didn’t do anything. He did nothing in two loan spells either. The notion that he was as good as he ever was pre-injury and should never have been out of the side doesn’t stand up. That said, I thought he did well when he came on at Leeds and we have nobody else who can do what he can on his day. I’d give him a run in the absence of other options. He Was, however, in the starting 11 the last time we played well, in the league cup win at anfield 2 and a half years ago
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 11, 2018 11:11:57 GMT
That’s not actually entirely what happened. There was the odd game where he’d done well the week before and was unlucky to be dropped. But in 15/16 he was poor in a bad run and our results improved with him out of the side. In 16/17 he was given a fair few chances in his best position against modest opposition and didn’t do anything. He did nothing in two loan spells either. The notion that he was as good as he ever was pre-injury and should never have been out of the side doesn’t stand up. That said, I thought he did well when he came on at Leeds and we have nobody else who can do what he can on his day. I’d give him a run in the absence of other options. He Was, however, in the starting 11 the last time we played well, in the league cup win at anfield 2 and a half years ago So was Philipp Wollscheid...
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Aug 11, 2018 11:13:05 GMT
The height of "Stokealona" came late Nov / Dec / Early Jan of 2015/16 and featured an absolutely sensational attacking three of Bojan, Arnautovic and Shaqiri. All three had gelled, all three were in form, and not only did it result in comfortable victories over Man City and Man United, it was absolutely thrilling to watch. The "Bojan has been crap since his injury" is a falsehood. He was inexplicably dropped after a good performance and never allowed a run in the side again. The signing of Joe Allen pushed him down the pecking order (disgracefully) but despite that he still has a record of one goal every three games for us. That’s not actually entirely what happened. There was the odd game where he’d done well the week before and was unlucky to be dropped. But in 15/16 he was poor in a bad run and our results improved with him out of the side. In 16/17 he was given a fair few chances in his best position against modest opposition and didn’t do anything. He did nothing in two loan spells either. The notion that he was as good as he ever was pre-injury and should never have been out of the side doesn’t stand up. That said, I thought he did well when he came on at Leeds and we have nobody else who can do what he can on his day. I’d give him a run in the absence of other options. To be fair I didn't say he was as good as pre-injury because that's not something even I, as a massive fanboy, believe. However, he does get judged unfairly by his own stratospheric standards. A 75% Bojan may look subjectively average compared to just how insanely good he was before Rochdale, but he is still better than any attacking player we have. I'm convinced that if he was here last season he'd have made the difference in us staying up. I can't speak with any real knowledge about what happened on his loan spells as I lack the contextual information about what was going on at each club etc. I can however say that I think Hughes treated him reasonably poorly with the opportunities he offered him. I reckon a spell of 8-12 starts would give us a true indication, and I think he would not let himself down on that front.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 11, 2018 11:16:21 GMT
That’s not actually entirely what happened. There was the odd game where he’d done well the week before and was unlucky to be dropped. But in 15/16 he was poor in a bad run and our results improved with him out of the side. In 16/17 he was given a fair few chances in his best position against modest opposition and didn’t do anything. He did nothing in two loan spells either. The notion that he was as good as he ever was pre-injury and should never have been out of the side doesn’t stand up. That said, I thought he did well when he came on at Leeds and we have nobody else who can do what he can on his day. I’d give him a run in the absence of other options. To be fair I didn't say he was as good as pre-injury because that's not something even I, as a massive fanboy, believe. However, he does get judged unfairly by his own stratospheric standards. A 75% Bojan may look subjectively average compared to just how insanely good he was before Rochdale, but he is still better than any attacking player we have. I'm convinced that if he was here last season he'd have made the difference in us staying up. I can't speak with any real knowledge about what happened on his loan spells as I lack the contextual information about what was going on at each club etc. I can however say that I think Hughes treated him reasonably poorly with the opportunities he offered him. I reckon a spell of 8-12 starts would give us a true indication, and I think he would not let himself down on that front. Surely you have to show at least something when you’re given the chance though, he was just too anonymous too often. The same with the loan spells, whatever was going on, he surely should’ve contributed more than he did on each occasion. I’d love him to turn it all around and be the player he was again, but the people’s princess stuff where it’s always someone else’s fault doesn’t wash with me. Worth a look now though absolutely.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 11, 2018 11:46:56 GMT
He Was, however, in the starting 11 the last time we played well, in the league cup win at anfield 2 and a half years ago So was Philipp Wollscheid... Much maligned, often unfairly. We've turned to shut since big Phil left
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Aug 11, 2018 11:54:04 GMT
Let's be honest, starting him would lift the crowd and create an atmosphere. Whether he's good enough remains to be seen.
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Post by Scrotnig on Aug 11, 2018 13:12:07 GMT
Let's be honest, starting him would lift the crowd and create an atmosphere. Whether he's good enough remains to be seen. Well I agree with you, and he IS starting, so hopefully we are right and the fight back starts today!
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Post by scfcwebby on Aug 11, 2018 14:50:48 GMT
Showing that he will be class for us this season!
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 11, 2018 14:53:59 GMT
He’s looked bright just not quite worked out for him
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