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Post by xchpotter on Aug 3, 2018 23:45:28 GMT
No....but then I didn’t expect them to. A leopard never changes its spots.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 4, 2018 1:08:55 GMT
Lots of false promises from the powers that be, i think GR has been dealt a shit hand and he has got to work with what he has due to the incompetance of cartwright and scholes What incompetence, the incompetence that got us Etebo, Ince and Afobe?
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Post by Stoke711 on Aug 4, 2018 1:56:20 GMT
What do you think a new manager and six members of his coaching staff is? A smokescreen to cover the real issues perhaps, Lambert was a disastrous appointment everyone knew that, he was the sacrificial lamb as were his ermmmm coaching staff , laurel and hardy are still in place weaving their own special comedy magic on preceding's, the deadwood is still in place we have sold our most talented player for peanuts, our pre season has been a disaster with Darren Fletcher selected in most games, we can't score or create chances and are still shipping goals. We have signed two decent players, an unproven player, a Champ. standard plodder, a has been keeper and an over the hill CB on loan. This one, I believe.
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Post by expectedtoulouse on Aug 4, 2018 2:20:24 GMT
They’ve failed us yet again. Looks like we’re selling N’Diaye, we’re a striker short and we have no left back for Sunday.
We’ve done half a job in terms of sorting out the mess of the last couple of seasons and haven’t spent a great deal considering the amount we’ve generated in player sales.
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Post by JoeinOz on Aug 4, 2018 2:56:06 GMT
Even if win the league with 105 points its wank. Football isn't about winning games it's about spending money.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 4, 2018 7:16:48 GMT
I don't except at all that a "major overhaul" ends with changing your manager. Most managers bring their own back room staff with them, so there's nothing unusual in Rowett bringing his own.
If they were going to simply change the manager, then they would have said, they were simply going to change the manager.
The fact that they DIDN'T simply say they were going to change the manager, means that a "major overhaul" has to be defined as something more than that.
If Benji Biscuit had posted on here, the day after the club made their statement, that he believed we would start our opening game of the season with Berahino leading the line, Fletcher in midfield and Ashley Williams at the heart of the defence, then people would have hounded him off the board for his negativity.
Let's hope Rowett is bluffing at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2018 7:42:44 GMT
I don't except at all that a "major overhaul" ends with changing your manager. Most managers bring their own back room staff with them, so there's nothing unusual in Rowett bringing his own. If they were going to simply change the manager, then they would have said, they were simply going to change the manager. The fact that they DIDN'T simply say they were going to change the manager, means that a "major overhaul" has to be defined as something more than that. If Benji Biscuit had posted on here, the day after the club made their statement, that he believed that we would start our opening game of the season with Berahino leading the line, Fletcher in midfield and Ashley Williams at the heart of the defence, then people would have hounded him off the board for his negativity. Let's hope Rowett is bluffing at the moment. Listened Potter about his apiontappoi at Swansea who said they wanted an overhaul and he as brought in his men at the top of recruitment. That backing your mamager and let's see how that works out!
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Post by Dingdangdoo on Aug 4, 2018 7:59:03 GMT
A smokescreen to cover the real issues perhaps, Lambert was a disastrous appointment everyone knew that, he was the sacrificial lamb as were his ermmmm coaching staff , laurel and hardy are still in place weaving their own special comedy magic on preceding's, the deadwood is still in place we have sold our most talented player for peanuts, our pre season has been a disaster with Darren Fletcher selected in most games, we can't score or create chances and are still shipping goals. We have signed two decent players, an unproven player, a Champ. standard plodder, a has been keeper and an over the hill CB on loan. You are wasting your time Carps, they don't want the truth only the spin put on it by the board. Fact is we've spent 3.4 million on a squad that needed replacing all bar 3 and one of them is gone and another still in doubt. We have ONE striker who is supposedly already a doubt for the first game. What makes you think that the failures that failed to score last season will fail again this? What makes you think the same piss poor defenders will leak like a sieve again. I mean it's not like they have ALL played exactly the same in pre season, is it^ Delivered on his promises, are they having a laugh. Just confirmed everything I thought, brought us down a division on purpose to avoid wages and fees of the premiership. Then blamed EVERYONE but themselves. Doesn't stop us praying for a miracle though and if we're in division 4 we'll still pray and Davef will still be towing the company line wearing his rose tints. You genuinely think we should change 21/22 of the squad and that the club ‘meant’ the same??
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 4, 2018 8:10:59 GMT
Even if win the league with 105 points its wank. Football isn't about winning games it's about spending money. It's about winning games, scoring goals keeping clean sheets and above all else entertainment, we have spent a fortune under Mark Hughes in the last three seasons and have produced none of those elements yet we still have Laurel and Hardy in control of our transfer dealings !. They should have been shown the door as soon as the season finished they are a huge part in our failings.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2018 8:23:03 GMT
The fact that they DIDN'T simply say they were going to change the manager, means that a "major overhaul" has to be defined as something more than that. Exactly Paul. Exactly this.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 4, 2018 8:25:47 GMT
Why not start a thread of this nature after the 31 August?
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 4, 2018 8:28:30 GMT
Why not start a thread of this nature after the 31 August? We kick off on Sunday, our season starts then ! points to be won and lost could be crucial at the end of the season.
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Post by Kjones9 on Aug 4, 2018 8:29:55 GMT
Sean Dyche on transfers to Burnley T he Clarets have yet to make a first-team signing and are currently operating with a reduced senior squad following the departures of Scott Arfield and Dean Marney.
Despite that they have already played two competitive games against Aberdeen in the Europa League, with a 4-2 aggregate win taking them to Turkey for a third-round qualifier against Istanbul Basaksehir on
Thursday - transfer deadline day.
Arrivals could be imminent, with moves for Swansea midfielder Sam Clucas, Middlesbrough defender Ben Gibson and old favourite Jay Rodriguez, of West Brom, all understood to be in motion.
Dyche, though, cuts a frustrated figure when the subject comes up.
"We're in the market for lots of different people in different positions," he said.
"Whatever you think of the market, it is very difficult. But we keep working diligently and working hard. Even when you put good money to people, everyone wants more, more, more."
Dyche was particularly vexed at one un-named target, who came close to signing at Turf Moor only to look elsewhere at the 11th hour.
"We had one player who was done verbally, and then it's not done, but that's life," he said.
"Life in football has changed, agreements are not agreements until they're on paper.
"They used to be a bit more straight forward conduct, but I don't think that's there any more.
"There's an offer and they go and tell 15 other clubs to see if they'll better it."
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Why didn't Burnley just make them sign? Massive fuck up. Or were they being 'cute' also? !
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Post by Onneravineet on Aug 4, 2018 8:31:56 GMT
To be fair that’s spot on. Not delivered on their promises. What do you think a new manager and six members of his coaching staff is? Actually the OP’s question was a good one, when taken in light of this extract. The coaching staff situation is a MAJOR overhaul and one I completely support, However, in terms of the quoted piece, it relates solely and fairly to our transfer dealings so I think it’s s valid position. That said: Retention of our squad Crown Jewels hasn’t come cheap! IF Badiani stays he will want his wages sorting too. Afobe is a great signing. Williams is a solid signing, better than Villa’s Terry signing last term. Ince is a great signing that addresses the pace issue. McClean has the been a top performer in the games he has featured for us. Wimmer has been fecked off. Oh AND THE WINDOW HASN’T CLOSED YET! Ask this again when it has!
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 4, 2018 8:36:32 GMT
Sean Dyche on transfers to Burnley T he Clarets have yet to make a first-team signing and are currently operating with a reduced senior squad following the departures of Scott Arfield and Dean Marney.
Despite that they have already played two competitive games against Aberdeen in the Europa League, with a 4-2 aggregate win taking them to Turkey for a third-round qualifier against Istanbul Basaksehir on
Thursday - transfer deadline day.
Arrivals could be imminent, with moves for Swansea midfielder Sam Clucas, Middlesbrough defender Ben Gibson and old favourite Jay Rodriguez, of West Brom, all understood to be in motion.
Dyche, though, cuts a frustrated figure when the subject comes up.
"We're in the market for lots of different people in different positions," he said.
"Whatever you think of the market, it is very difficult. But we keep working diligently and working hard. Even when you put good money to people, everyone wants more, more, more."
Dyche was particularly vexed at one un-named target, who came close to signing at Turf Moor only to look elsewhere at the 11th hour.
"We had one player who was done verbally, and then it's not done, but that's life," he said.
"Life in football has changed, agreements are not agreements until they're on paper.
"They used to be a bit more straight forward conduct, but I don't think that's there any more.
"There's an offer and they go and tell 15 other clubs to see if they'll better it."
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Why didn't Burnley just make them sign? Massive fuck up. Or were they being 'cute' also? ! We're fishing in different ponds though. Burnley are a little fish in a big pond, we're a big fish in a little pond. You could use West Ham as a polar opposite how many players have they signed this year they don't appear to have had any problems getting players in. I guess ultimately it all depends on how much a teams prepared to pay and whether your prepared to pay what they want.
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Post by cousindupree on Aug 4, 2018 8:44:52 GMT
A major overhaul should include an area where we have performed poorly and that's in recruitment and nothing has changed. Our transfer business has been average and we are still 2/3 players short. The word from GR is that he expects one more signing which is likely to be a back up LB at £1m is hugely worrying, loans don't cut it for me. So our eventual financial investment in getting us back up will be around 10m....hardly going for it.
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Post by bathstoke on Aug 4, 2018 8:59:16 GMT
The early indications were bright but we do seem to have tailed off slightly. Makes you wonder if Badou or Jack will have to leave before we get anymore bigger signings. Already smacks of not having a plan B...
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Post by tribe on Aug 4, 2018 9:35:28 GMT
Sean Dyche on transfers to Burnley T he Clarets have yet to make a first-team signing and are currently operating with a reduced senior squad following the departures of Scott Arfield and Dean Marney.
Despite that they have already played two competitive games against Aberdeen in the Europa League, with a 4-2 aggregate win taking them to Turkey for a third-round qualifier against Istanbul Basaksehir on
Thursday - transfer deadline day.
Arrivals could be imminent, with moves for Swansea midfielder Sam Clucas, Middlesbrough defender Ben Gibson and old favourite Jay Rodriguez, of West Brom, all understood to be in motion.
Dyche, though, cuts a frustrated figure when the subject comes up.
"We're in the market for lots of different people in different positions," he said.
"Whatever you think of the market, it is very difficult. But we keep working diligently and working hard. Even when you put good money to people, everyone wants more, more, more."
Dyche was particularly vexed at one un-named target, who came close to signing at Turf Moor only to look elsewhere at the 11th hour.
"We had one player who was done verbally, and then it's not done, but that's life," he said.
"Life in football has changed, agreements are not agreements until they're on paper.
"They used to be a bit more straight forward conduct, but I don't think that's there any more.
"There's an offer and they go and tell 15 other clubs to see if they'll better it."
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Ideal for us, significantly weakening 3 teams, at least one of whom will be competing with us at the top end of the league. Get it fucking sorted Burnley.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2018 10:41:34 GMT
You are wasting your time Carps, they don't want the truth only the spin put on it by the board. Fact is we've spent 3.4 million on a squad that needed replacing all bar 3 and one of them is gone and another still in doubt. We have ONE striker who is supposedly already a doubt for the first game. What makes you think that the failures that failed to score last season will fail again this? What makes you think the same piss poor defenders will leak like a sieve again. I mean it's not like they have ALL played exactly the same in pre season, is it^ Delivered on his promises, are they having a laugh. Just confirmed everything I thought, brought us down a division on purpose to avoid wages and fees of the premiership. Then blamed EVERYONE but themselves. Doesn't stop us praying for a miracle though and if we're in division 4 we'll still pray and Davef will still be towing the company line wearing his rose tints. You genuinely think we should change 21/22 of the squad and that the club ‘meant’ the same?? I think that when a player fails to perform for an entire season he should be shown the door and anyone sitting on the bench should have already been pushing to take his place. If they have been sitting comfortably then they are part of the reason our starting team was allowed to be so poor and should go as well. They say you can't win anything with kids and that may be true. However the one thing that is important above all else is desire to win and we only saw that in Shaq and Baeur last season. The fact that 21 of our players should have been shown the door is testament to how badly our club was run, managed and coached and damming on the ability of the transfer team to identify players with "the right stuff". The phrase "all that glitters is not gold" comes to mind when I look at the signings of the last few seasons. Failures were just given a back seat and replaced with another failure instead of shipping them out on the first train. I realise that 21 at once would have been unprecedented but after the first ten went with a hard resolve (most expensive flops first no matter what cost) then most of the others would have changed their approach I'm sure. As it is we have more scrap than Mcguiness scrapyard and no one wants to recycle them.
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Post by tony1234 on Aug 4, 2018 10:51:12 GMT
They made vague statements Its a little like politicians saying they are going to "crack down on knife crime" - they have made moves in the right direction, but nothing of the intensity and sincerity that many fans wanted
Lessons learned meant: No buying/relying on over 30s with poor injury records - no = Williams, Bojan Not buying players at peak of value no = Afobe, Ince Having multiple striker options up front - Partial - Afobe and Ince, but 1 striker Being tougher and more clear headed in dealing with the likes of Wimmer, Imbula and Beharinho - no, still talk of the hapless loser SB playing a role Not having false hope in young unproven players - Partial - move for Knuden over Tymon; not saying we are relying on Campbell et al when I feared we might. Needing energy and stamina in the middle of the park - mixed. Etobo good, Adam and Fletcher still here, no Needing to have clear ways/plans/channels to score sufficient goals - no Not leaving things to deadline day and then trying desparately to integrate third choice players - em partial.
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Post by Ygor on Aug 4, 2018 11:09:25 GMT
To be fair that’s spot on. Not delivered on their promises. What do you think a new manager and six members of his coaching staff is? Not even half the job required really.
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Post by Kjones9 on Aug 4, 2018 11:25:28 GMT
Why didn't Burnley just make them sign? Massive fuck up. Or were they being 'cute' also? ! We're fishing in different ponds though. Burnley are a little fish in a big pond, we're a big fish in a little pond. You could use West Ham as a polar opposite how many players have they signed this year they don't appear to have had any problems getting players in. I guess ultimately it all depends on how much a teams prepared to pay and whether your prepared to pay what they want. So this transfer game isn't so black and white then 🤔
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Post by iglugluk on Aug 4, 2018 11:44:08 GMT
We needed two strikers and have only got 1 ( so far ) We needed cover in defensive areas and have only got Williams in on loan. The start of the window was good, getting in Etobo, Afobe, McLean, Ince and keeping Allen was good business. But we were absolutely woeful last season and it was down to poor planning and foresight from the board which led to a poor squad. Those problems still appear to be happening unless we sort a couple of excellent signings before the window closes. It still appears that true 'ambition' is an anathema to the individuals running the club and there's already a scent of division coming from the manager and the 'transfer team' which is concerning to say the least. Guess times will tell but past performance and the fact that the individuals responsible for the lack of it, still retain their jobs, isn't particularly inspiring.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 4, 2018 12:04:23 GMT
We're fishing in different ponds though. Burnley are a little fish in a big pond, we're a big fish in a little pond. You could use West Ham as a polar opposite how many players have they signed this year they don't appear to have had any problems getting players in. I guess ultimately it all depends on how much a teams prepared to pay and whether your prepared to pay what they want. So this transfer game isn't so black and white then 🤔 It is at Stoke straight from plan A Chester to plan Z Ashley Williams.
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Post by rawli on Aug 4, 2018 12:07:47 GMT
Sentinel reported different. "Coates family promise major overhaul" or something similar wasn't it. Not sure the family used the word promise perse, but they made it very clear they felt the fans pain and would be making damn certain things were different this season. Time will tell. That's a sub editor's work. In any case, they've replaced the entire coaching staff. You can't get much more of an overhaul at a football club. Definitely think you can. Transfer team is not fit for purpose and are still robbing a living.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 4, 2018 12:15:24 GMT
That's a sub editor's work. In any case, they've replaced the entire coaching staff. You can't get much more of an overhaul at a football club. Definitely think you can. Transfer team is not fit for purpose and are still robbing a living. If these pair were employed by Bet365 would they still be in a job ? they are part of the process which has given us Imbula, Berahino, Jesse, Wimmer and Fletcher plus contract extensions to Haugaard, Affelay, Johnson, Adam etc. would that be acceptable to Denise.
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Post by Dingdangdoo on Aug 4, 2018 12:20:18 GMT
You genuinely think we should change 21/22 of the squad and that the club ‘meant’ the same?? I think that when a player fails to perform for an entire season he should be shown the door and anyone sitting on the bench should have already been pushing to take his place. If they have been sitting comfortably then they are part of the reason our starting team was allowed to be so poor and should go as well. They say you can't win anything with kids and that may be true. However the one thing that is important above all else is desire to win and we only saw that in Shaq and Baeur last season. The fact that 21 of our players should have been shown the door is testament to how badly our club was run, managed and coached and damming on the ability of the transfer team to identify players with "the right stuff". The phrase "all that glitters is not gold" comes to mind when I look at the signings of the last few seasons. Failures were just given a back seat and replaced with another failure instead of shipping them out on the first train. I realise that 21 at once would have been unprecedented but after the first ten went with a hard resolve (most expensive flops first no matter what cost) then most of the others would have changed their approach I'm sure. As it is we have more scrap than Mcguiness scrapyard and no one wants to recycle them. Can’t agree on the numbers sorry. In a team sport one or two can easily affect others performance. Maybe a handful regularly didn’t turn up (some literally), but I think rooting out the really bad apples leaves those remaining stronger
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Post by skemstokie on Aug 4, 2018 12:23:54 GMT
At the end of last seasons debacle ? for me it's a No. From where we where at the end of last season to now i believe they have made good progress,we are not the finished article but we are a big mark up on the end of last season and still have time to push further deals over the line,Rome was not built in a day .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2018 13:32:03 GMT
I think that when a player fails to perform for an entire season he should be shown the door and anyone sitting on the bench should have already been pushing to take his place. If they have been sitting comfortably then they are part of the reason our starting team was allowed to be so poor and should go as well. They say you can't win anything with kids and that may be true. However the one thing that is important above all else is desire to win and we only saw that in Shaq and Baeur last season. The fact that 21 of our players should have been shown the door is testament to how badly our club was run, managed and coached and damming on the ability of the transfer team to identify players with "the right stuff". The phrase "all that glitters is not gold" comes to mind when I look at the signings of the last few seasons. Failures were just given a back seat and replaced with another failure instead of shipping them out on the first train. I realise that 21 at once would have been unprecedented but after the first ten went with a hard resolve (most expensive flops first no matter what cost) then most of the others would have changed their approach I'm sure. As it is we have more scrap than Mcguiness scrapyard and no one wants to recycle them. Can’t agree on the numbers sorry. In a team sport one or two can easily affect others performance. Maybe a handful regularly didn’t turn up (some literally), but I think rooting out the really bad apples leaves those remaining stronger It's a fair point you make that the so called "Stars" of the team created an easy going atmosphere for the rest and rooted out that lack luster squad may turn it around, personally I'm in the once bitten twice shy brigade who wouldn't give them the opportunity to shame our team again. Honestly I pray that you're right and I'm wrong on this, but years of good intentions have left me numb.
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Post by Godo on Aug 4, 2018 13:56:32 GMT
No and they have been unable to do so because of the mess they allowed to happen with the squad in the first place. Extending contracts of over the hill players and signing characters like Imbula, Wimmer and Berahino without any due diligence for around £50m and giving them lengthy contracts isn't something that is easily overturned. Gaps in the squad and still not physical enough to compete at this level so how can it be anything but a "No"?
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