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Post by pottermouth on Aug 3, 2018 21:10:59 GMT
To be fair that’s spot on. Not delivered on their promises. What do you think a new manager and six members of his coaching staff is. Much of the deadwood is still there. The six signings are good, granted.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 3, 2018 21:12:25 GMT
To be fair that’s spot on. Not delivered on their promises. What do you think a new manager and six members of his coaching staff is? A smokescreen to cover the real issues perhaps, Lambert was a disastrous appointment everyone knew that, he was the sacrificial lamb as were his ermmmm coaching staff , laurel and hardy are still in place weaving their own special comedy magic on preceding's, the deadwood is still in place we have sold our most talented player for peanuts, our pre season has been a disaster with Darren Fletcher selected in most games, we can't score or create chances and are still shipping goals. We have signed two decent players, an unproven player, a Champ. standard plodder, a has been keeper and an over the hill CB on loan.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Aug 3, 2018 21:13:55 GMT
I was expecting a fire sale, it never happend, kept most of the squad. If we can get another forward and shif some of the shit I would probably say yes.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2018 21:14:47 GMT
Sentinel reported different. "Coates family promise major overhaul" or something similar wasn't it. Not sure the family used the word promise perse, but they made it very clear they felt the fans pain and would be making damn certain things were different this season. Time will tell. That's a sub editor's work. In any case, they've replaced the entire coaching staff. You can't get much more of an overhaul at a football club. Could have had a new Chairman and a transfer team ^
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Post by PotteringThrough on Aug 3, 2018 21:16:16 GMT
Time yet for then to deliver.
Promises are there to be broken.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 3, 2018 21:21:56 GMT
Right now I'm relatively happy though over the next month that could change positively or negatively.
I'm happy with the new manager and his team they seem to be a good bunch and knowledgable.
The players we've bought in have been decent and we have done well to hold onto some of our better players so far.
We've got rid of some of the dead wood however for me I'd like us to get rid of Adam and Fletcher.
With what we have now I'd still like LB cover and a pacey winger + striker.
My biggest worry is that we'll sell Jack, Badou and loan out Bojan and Imbula and bring no one in. The latter 2 are very useful to have in the squad but I think we'll do what we did last year and loan them out giving us less options.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2018 21:22:42 GMT
Not really an answerable question until the season's finished, is it? They said they'd do all they can to get promoted at first try. They've replaced the coaching staff, brought in reinforcements and unexpectedly kept (or are seemingly keeping) some key players. By my reckoning we're a RB, DM, RW and two STs short but the window's not shut yet, and although I don't particularly like Cartwright and Scholar, I also know next to nothing about what they actually do. Time and the willingness to change are going to be the key issues here. If we start shit, we need to see Rowett making changes unlike our last two managers. If the window shuts and we're short in squad depth, are we going to address it or ignore it like we did with goalscorers in Jan? Far, far too early to tell if they've done "all they can". Interesting post this and one in line with a lot on here over the summer. I think a lot depends on interpretation of what an overhaul is. Many seem to put the boundary at the coaching staff and transfers in and out in terms of numbers. Personally I'd take it further than that. Our transfers seem to be following the same path. Years ago, we tried for Cedric Soares, had no other option and ended up with Glen Johnson on a free. No middle ground, no alternative. From one extreme to the other. Last year, we let Glenn Whelan go, tried for Lemina, were prepared to spend big on him and ended up sticking with Fletcher...on a free. Again, no middle ground, no alternative. The money we pledged for that transfer remained unspent. Why? This season, despite changing manager, we tried for Chester, ended up with Williams on loan. No alternative, no middle ground. Now Rowett is talking about one more defensive incoming. Where has the 10M for Chester gone? What are the common links? As admitted above and before all through the summer, we've changed the manager and his coaching staff yet the approach to transfers seems exactly the same. What is the point of the Technical Director? We might be being harsh here. When he was appointed we were told he was there to make our approach to transfers more scientific, whatever that means. For all we know, he might be producing target after target that end up going elsewhere and being a huge success. It's obvious that the Coates's treat their managers opinion as sacrosanct. It's their final choice. With that in mind, is that the problem in itself? Is Cartwright doing his job, finding player after player only for the overall acceptable process to be usurped by the manager, who wants his targets? A lot of our transfers have been household names, or names known to the manager - with the exceptions of Ramadan and more recently Etebo. Possibly Staffy too? Does that point to something? There are certainly more questions than answers but my overriding point on this is that my interpretation of an overhaul is a root and branch change of everything you do, and from afar, the way we do transfers doesn't seem to have changed despite changing manager et al. The youth system seems to remain unchanged also. Senior management has remained unchanged.
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Post by tribe on Aug 3, 2018 21:22:55 GMT
Having watched Reading V Derby I feel we've overspent.
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Post by stokie66 on Aug 3, 2018 21:24:26 GMT
Crapslnger. In your post you use the word "preceding" . Did you really mean "proceedings". Just checking because I know you always want to be grammatically correct.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 3, 2018 21:38:04 GMT
Crapslnger. In your post you use the word "preceding" . Did you really mean "proceedings". Just checking because I know you always want to be grammatically correct. Apologies for the faux pas what post was that ?
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Post by stokie66 on Aug 3, 2018 21:41:14 GMT
Apology accepted young man. We all make mistakes.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2018 21:43:42 GMT
What do you think a new manager and six members of his coaching staff is? A smokescreen to cover the real issues perhaps, Lambert was a disastrous appointment everyone knew that, he was the sacrificial lamb as were his ermmmm coaching staff , laurel and hardy are still in place weaving their own special comedy magic on preceding's, the deadwood is still in place we have sold our most talented player for peanuts, our pre season has been a disaster with Darren Fletcher selected in most games, we can't score or create chances and are still shipping goals. We have signed two decent players, an unproven player, a Champ. standard plodder, a has been keeper and an over the hill CB on loan. You are wasting your time Carps, they don't want the truth only the spin put on it by the board. Fact is we've spent 3.4 million on a squad that needed replacing all bar 3 and one of them is gone and another still in doubt. We have ONE striker who is supposedly already a doubt for the first game. What makes you think that the failures that failed to score last season will fail again this? What makes you think the same piss poor defenders will leak like a sieve again. I mean it's not like they have ALL played exactly the same in pre season, is it^ Delivered on his promises, are they having a laugh. Just confirmed everything I thought, brought us down a division on purpose to avoid wages and fees of the premiership. Then blamed EVERYONE but themselves. Doesn't stop us praying for a miracle though and if we're in division 4 we'll still pray and Davef will still be towing the company line wearing his rose tints.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 3, 2018 21:44:04 GMT
Having watched Reading V Derby I feel we've overspent. Net we’ve spent less than Derby
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 3, 2018 21:50:44 GMT
Apology accepted young man. We all make mistakes. Thanks what post was it ? I strive to learn from my mistakes unlike some
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Post by Absolution on Aug 3, 2018 21:51:38 GMT
Crapslnger. In your post you use the word "preceding" . Did you really mean "proceedings". Just checking because I know you always want to be grammatically correct. Apologies for the faux pas what post was that ? The one where you appeared to be unhappy with how the club conducted its business.
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Post by Davef on Aug 3, 2018 21:56:52 GMT
Having watched Reading V Derby I feel we've overspent. Net we’ve spent less than Derby Have we bollocks.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Aug 3, 2018 21:57:07 GMT
Not really an answerable question until the season's finished, is it? They said they'd do all they can to get promoted at first try. They've replaced the coaching staff, brought in reinforcements and unexpectedly kept (or are seemingly keeping) some key players. By my reckoning we're a RB, DM, RW and two STs short but the window's not shut yet, and although I don't particularly like Cartwright and Scholar, I also know next to nothing about what they actually do. Time and the willingness to change are going to be the key issues here. If we start shit, we need to see Rowett making changes unlike our last two managers. If the window shuts and we're short in squad depth, are we going to address it or ignore it like we did with goalscorers in Jan? Far, far too early to tell if they've done "all they can". Interesting post this and one in line with a lot on here over the summer. I think a lot depends on interpretation of what an overhaul is. Many seem to put the boundary at the coaching staff and transfers in and out in terms of numbers. Personally I'd take it further than that. Our transfers seem to be following the same path. Years ago, we tried for Cedric Soares, had no other option and ended up with Glen Johnson on a free. No middle ground, no alternative. From one extreme to the other. Last year, we let Glenn Whelan go, tried for Lemina, were prepared to spend big on him and ended up sticking with Fletcher...on a free. Again, no middle ground, no alternative. The money we pledged for that transfer remained unspent. Why? This season, despite changing manager, we tried for Chester, ended up with Williams on loan. No alternative, no middle ground. Now Rowett is talking about one more defensive incoming. Where has the 10M for Chester gone? What are the common links? As admitted above and before all through the summer, we've changed the manager and his coaching staff yet the approach to transfers seems exactly the same. What is the point of the Technical Director? We might be being harsh here. When he was appointed we were told he was there to make our approach to transfers more scientific, whatever that means. For all we know, he might be producing target after target that end up going elsewhere and being a huge success. It's obvious that the Coates's treat their managers opinion as sacrosanct. It's their final choice. With that in mind, is that the problem in itself? Is Cartwright doing his job, finding player after player only for the overall acceptable process to be usurped by the manager, who wants his targets? A lot of our transfers have been household names, or names known to the manager - with the exceptions of Ramadan and more recently Etebo. Possibly Staffy too? Does that point to something? There are certainly more questions than answers but my overriding point on this is that my interpretation of an overhaul is a root and branch change of everything you do, and from afar, the way we do transfers doesn't seem to have changed despite changing manager et al. The youth system seems to remain unchanged also. Senior management has remained unchanged. I'll definitely admit that I was expecting more of a change, but it's only Oatcake wisdom that suggests that Carto identifies a set of players from which the manager chooses. We don't know that for sure though and I'm sure it's more nuanced than that. I personally don't see anything wrong with Rowett telling Coates who he wants and then Scholes sorting the deal, but then again, there's a reason why I'm not in charge of a football club, and it's because I know fuck all about football beyond what I see on the pitch, and I'm wank at business. But! I was convinced that we should have been midtable last year bar the litany of catastrophes we saw. The cancer of Jess has gone, Berahino seems to have got it through his thick fucking skull that he'll no longer be allowed to take the loss, Big-Time-But-Shit Ramadan is no more. Although maybe harsh on Zouma and Shaq, I could never shake the feeling they thought they were doing us a favour. Adam can fuck off though, and Choupo can either put his big boy pants on or fuck off, and that poisonous element has gone. If Rowett can get the current squad gelling, and they seem to have the right mindset now (although sluggish in pre-season) we should be, quite frankly, an overwhelming force against 90% of teams in this division. That's all that matters in the short term, to get back on the fucking gravy train while we're a big fish and our better players are willing to stay, and then we can reassess backroom stuff once we're back among the millions. I definitely interpreted the "overhaul" as a riddance of the Hughes Holiday Camp ethos and the vermin players out. I think the World Cup has probably done more damage than we thought it would, regarding "hitting the ground running", and I don't think that's exclusive to us, so it shouldn't be held against the club.
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Post by stokie66 on Aug 3, 2018 22:00:29 GMT
Well Crapo you have plenty of mistakes to learn from.
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Post by nonameface on Aug 3, 2018 22:03:42 GMT
Having watched Reading V Derby I feel we've overspent. What makes you say that?
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Post by Absolution on Aug 3, 2018 22:04:09 GMT
Net we’ve spent less than Derby Have we bollocks. He's including the money we've received for Butland and Ndiaye.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Aug 3, 2018 22:10:35 GMT
A smokescreen to cover the real issues perhaps, Lambert was a disastrous appointment everyone knew that, he was the sacrificial lamb as were his ermmmm coaching staff , laurel and hardy are still in place weaving their own special comedy magic on preceding's, the deadwood is still in place we have sold our most talented player for peanuts, our pre season has been a disaster with Darren Fletcher selected in most games, we can't score or create chances and are still shipping goals. We have signed two decent players, an unproven player, a Champ. standard plodder, a has been keeper and an over the hill CB on loan. You are wasting your time Carps, they don't want the truth only the spin put on it by the board. Fact is we've spent 3.4 million on a squad that needed replacing all bar 3 and one of them is gone and another still in doubt. We have ONE striker who is supposedly already a doubt for the first game. What makes you think that the failures that failed to score last season will fail again this? What makes you think the same piss poor defenders will leak like a sieve again. I mean it's not like they have ALL played exactly the same in pre season, is it^ Delivered on his promises, are they having a laugh. Just confirmed everything I thought, brought us down a division on purpose to avoid wages and fees of the premiership. Then blamed EVERYONE but themselves. Doesn't stop us praying for a miracle though and if we're in division 4 we'll still pray and Davef will still be towing the company line wearing his rose tints. I'd agree with that bit if we were aiming for mid-table in the Premier League. The defence will be the best in the Championship by a mile. Butland, Bauer, Shawcross, BMI and Pieters will boss it if they have self-belief. The ability is more than there. They're just going to have to adapt from technical skill to sticking their fucking heads on the line and making sure they don't pussy out. In terms of reading the game, basic cutting out, harassing and tackling they'll pies it. Ince and McClean are proven at this level. Allen, although his role in a Premier League side SCFC Hughes / Lambert side is still debatable, will be more than good enough for the dropped quality of opposition. My main concerns are: Will Etebo be any good Will Badou stay, and if so, will be be a mardarse Will we get or will we even need a big 'orrible cunt of a DM, and if so, will it be Fletcher I'm not getting into an argument about Bojan because he will comfortably be the best player in the division if he stays and is given five to eight games. I'll suck everyone off if that happens and he's still shit with no sign of improvement. Striker is still a major issue. Afobe should be decent and Crouch is a good plan B sub but we all know the issues with Berahino and Diouf. The main concerns are if Rowett decides he wants to spaz around with a 433 when we should clearly be playing 4231, and cover. We've still got toss all cover at LB and RW (and LW if Choupo goes, which I'd like him to, although he'll be too good for the Champ if he stops being an arsehole). For what we need, at this moment in time, for the one and only objective of finishing Top Two, Rowett just needs to work some gelling magic and we're basically set, barring cover.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Aug 3, 2018 22:11:34 GMT
Having watched Reading V Derby I feel we've overspent. What makes you say that? Both sides were appalling all over the pitch.
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Post by Sfance on Aug 3, 2018 22:36:10 GMT
I agree that neither Reading nor Derby were up to Premier League standard, though Derby had a lot more of a clue, especially in the second half. But we aren't up to PL standard either. I don't see any reason at all from watching the game that we are going to simply walk to and stay at the top. People are forgetting how we played last season. It was dreadful. Summed up by our failure to score goals and our success in conceding sucker goals. Where is the evidence that we have put that behind us? There certainly wasn't any in the pre-season. True, we have to wait and see, but so far, I don't see any reason to assume we'll do any better than mid-table.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 3, 2018 22:36:40 GMT
Apologies for the faux pas what post was that ? The one where you appeared to be unhappy with how the club conducted its business. Link ?
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Post by doitforfrank on Aug 3, 2018 22:39:33 GMT
A smokescreen to cover the real issues perhaps, Lambert was a disastrous appointment everyone knew that, he was the sacrificial lamb as were his ermmmm coaching staff , laurel and hardy are still in place weaving their own special comedy magic on preceding's, the deadwood is still in place we have sold our most talented player for peanuts, our pre season has been a disaster with Darren Fletcher selected in most games, we can't score or create chances and are still shipping goals. We have signed two decent players, an unproven player, a Champ. standard plodder, a has been keeper and an over the hill CB on loan. You are wasting your time Carps, they don't want the truth only the spin put on it by the board. Fact is we've spent 3.4 million on a squad that needed replacing all bar 3 and one of them is gone and another still in doubt. We have ONE striker who is supposedly already a doubt for the first game. What makes you think that the failures that failed to score last season will fail again this? What makes you think the same piss poor defenders will leak like a sieve again. I mean it's not like they have ALL played exactly the same in pre season, is it^ Delivered on his promises, are they having a laugh. Just confirmed everything I thought, brought us down a division on purpose to avoid wages and fees of the premiership. Then blamed EVERYONE but themselves. Doesn't stop us praying for a miracle though and if we're in division 4 we'll still pray and Davef will still be towing the company line wearing his rose tints. Bang on the money. And with the fees being spent this year, I can't say I blame them. Some of the players going for £20m+ are mediocre at best. Its madness.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Aug 3, 2018 22:51:18 GMT
At the end of last seasons debacle ? for me it's a No. They promised a major overhaul, and that’s been delivered. They’ve splashed the cash given the level we’re at, and i’m pretty sure more will be available as some of the deadwood is shipped out. That’s not an easy task given some of the players we are looking to shift, but those are past mistakes that we have to live with for now and there is no point dwelling on it. We need to look forward, and it feels like that is exactly what’s happening. Given that a ball hasn’t even been kicked yet, I’m not sure what exactly it is that you want? It seems to me like we’re making extensive efforts to correct course. It remains to be seen if it’s going to result in success, but that’s football. If you want guarantees, you’re not understanding how football works.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Aug 3, 2018 22:54:34 GMT
Pretty sure that’s what his old man said when he saw the bundle of joy drop out of Mama Crapslinger’s sprog chute.
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Post by dazzag99 on Aug 3, 2018 22:57:24 GMT
Lots of false promises from the powers that be, i think GR has been dealt a shit hand and he has got to work with what he has due to the incompetance of cartwright and scholes
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2018 23:09:42 GMT
Sean Dyche on transfers to Burnley T he Clarets have yet to make a first-team signing and are currently operating with a reduced senior squad following the departures of Scott Arfield and Dean Marney.
Despite that they have already played two competitive games against Aberdeen in the Europa League, with a 4-2 aggregate win taking them to Turkey for a third-round qualifier against Istanbul Basaksehir on
Thursday - transfer deadline day.
Arrivals could be imminent, with moves for Swansea midfielder Sam Clucas, Middlesbrough defender Ben Gibson and old favourite Jay Rodriguez, of West Brom, all understood to be in motion.
Dyche, though, cuts a frustrated figure when the subject comes up.
"We're in the market for lots of different people in different positions," he said.
"Whatever you think of the market, it is very difficult. But we keep working diligently and working hard. Even when you put good money to people, everyone wants more, more, more."
Dyche was particularly vexed at one un-named target, who came close to signing at Turf Moor only to look elsewhere at the 11th hour.
"We had one player who was done verbally, and then it's not done, but that's life," he said.
"Life in football has changed, agreements are not agreements until they're on paper.
"They used to be a bit more straight forward conduct, but I don't think that's there any more.
"There's an offer and they go and tell 15 other clubs to see if they'll better it."
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Post by StatesideStokie on Aug 3, 2018 23:14:29 GMT
Sean Dyche on transfers to Burnley T he Clarets have yet to make a first-team signing and are currently operating with a reduced senior squad following the departures of Scott Arfield and Dean Marney.
Despite that they have already played two competitive games against Aberdeen in the Europa League, with a 4-2 aggregate win taking them to Turkey for a third-round qualifier against Istanbul Basaksehir on
Thursday - transfer deadline day.
Arrivals could be imminent, with moves for Swansea midfielder Sam Clucas, Middlesbrough defender Ben Gibson and old favourite Jay Rodriguez, of West Brom, all understood to be in motion.
Dyche, though, cuts a frustrated figure when the subject comes up.
"We're in the market for lots of different people in different positions," he said.
"Whatever you think of the market, it is very difficult. But we keep working diligently and working hard. Even when you put good money to people, everyone wants more, more, more."
Dyche was particularly vexed at one un-named target, who came close to signing at Turf Moor only to look elsewhere at the 11th hour.
"We had one player who was done verbally, and then it's not done, but that's life," he said.
"Life in football has changed, agreements are not agreements until they're on paper.
"They used to be a bit more straight forward conduct, but I don't think that's there any more.
"There's an offer and they go and tell 15 other clubs to see if they'll better it."
link
And yet the oracles of wisdom on here would have you believe it’s just all so easy.
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