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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2018 21:31:32 GMT
Early thoughts?
Think it will be a fascinating midfield battle.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jul 7, 2018 21:35:01 GMT
We'll batter them!
1-0.
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Post by ethers26 on Jul 7, 2018 21:35:40 GMT
Have a feeling RLC or Dier will feature. We can't leave Henderson exposed to their midfield 3. Stones and Maguire bringing the ball out so well will hopefully allow us to get in behind enough times though.
We have plenty to hurt them, but they will no doubt raise their game vs England.
I can see pens. And Croatia look very good at pens.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 7, 2018 21:37:35 GMT
50/50. Gun to my head I’d say we’ll do it.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jul 7, 2018 21:37:38 GMT
2-0 England.
Croatia will be fucked after that game.
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Post by biglad180 on Jul 7, 2018 21:39:36 GMT
hopefully extra time as taken to much out of them so England win
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Post by duckling on Jul 7, 2018 21:40:18 GMT
Have a feeling RLC or Dier will feature. We can't leave Henderson exposed to their midfield 3. Stones and Maguire bringing the ball out so well will hopefully allow us to get in behind enough times though. We have plenty to hurt them, but they will no doubt raise their game vs England. I can see pens. And Croatia look very good at pens. I think it will go to penalties. Subasic is very good at saving penalties. Are the kickers really that good? Modric missed one during the game against Denmark, and then tonight his penalty took an incredibly lucky bounce off the post. England looked a lot more confident in their penalty shootout. After the group stage I thought Croatia would sail through to the final. Instead they've barely scrapped through to the semifinal. If I had to bet, I would bet on England.
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Post by george2again on Jul 7, 2018 21:46:25 GMT
I must be the only person on the planet who thinks England still haven't played well this tournament. During a world cup you have to step up like Belgium did V Brazil. Hopefully we can do this V Croatia. I still think we are carrying a few players and they should be replaced. Okay he scored but Dele has been awful all world cup and Linguard as well doing nothing. Midfield is where this game will be won and lost.
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Post by duckling on Jul 7, 2018 21:56:22 GMT
I must be the only person on the planet who thinks England still haven't played well this tournament. During a world cup you have to step up like Belgium did V Brazil. Hopefully we can do this V Croatia. I still think we are carrying a few players and they should be replaced. Okay he scored but Dele has been awful all world cup and Linguard as well doing nothing. Midfield is where this game will be won and lost. You don't have to play well. You just have to play well enough - not necessarily even better than your opponents - and hope that you have a bit of luck. Look at Portugal in Euro 2016.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 7, 2018 21:59:08 GMT
I must be the only person on the planet who thinks England still haven't played well this tournament. During a world cup you have to step up like Belgium did V Brazil. Hopefully we can do this V Croatia. I still think we are carrying a few players and they should be replaced. Okay he scored but Dele has been awful all world cup and Linguard as well doing nothing. Midfield is where this game will be won and lost. Has any team stood out?
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Post by duckling on Jul 7, 2018 22:12:38 GMT
I must be the only person on the planet who thinks England still haven't played well this tournament. During a world cup you have to step up like Belgium did V Brazil. Hopefully we can do this V Croatia. I still think we are carrying a few players and they should be replaced. Okay he scored but Dele has been awful all world cup and Linguard as well doing nothing. Midfield is where this game will be won and lost. Has any team stood out? Belgium. Won all 6 games in 90 minutes. They had a scare with Japan, but I think that if that had gone to extra time, Belgium would have easily won.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 7, 2018 22:14:52 GMT
Belgium. Won all 6 games in 90 minutes. They had a scare with Japan, but I think that if that had gone to extra time, Belgium would have easily won. They were terrible for 2/3 of a game against a Japanese side that really shouldn’t have caused them problems. They’ve had their moments and were excellent for 45 mins against Brazil but they look as vulnerable as anyone left in it to me. Think France, who also haven’t exactly dazzled, have to be the favourites.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jul 7, 2018 22:15:33 GMT
I must be the only person on the planet who thinks England still haven't played well this tournament. During a world cup you have to step up like Belgium did V Brazil. Hopefully we can do this V Croatia. I still think we are carrying a few players and they should be replaced. Okay he scored but Dele has been awful all world cup and Linguard as well doing nothing. Midfield is where this game will be won and lost. The sign of a winning team that can get a result without playing particularly well. It’s coming home.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2018 22:16:25 GMT
I must be the only person on the planet who thinks England still haven't played well this tournament. During a world cup you have to step up like Belgium did V Brazil. Hopefully we can do this V Croatia. I still think we are carrying a few players and they should be replaced. Okay he scored but Dele has been awful all world cup and Linguard as well doing nothing. Midfield is where this game will be won and lost. That's how i see Dele though, he's a midfielder who makes late runs and gets goals. He's more of a Lampard than a creator like your David Silvas etc. He's there to finish chances, Sterling and Lingard, along with the wing backs, are the ones there to create for me.
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Post by duckling on Jul 7, 2018 22:20:42 GMT
Belgium. Won all 6 games in 90 minutes. They had a scare with Japan, but I think that if that had gone to extra time, Belgium would have easily won. They were terrible for 2/3 of a game against a Japanese side that really shouldn’t have caused them problems. They’ve had their moments and were excellent for 45 mins against Brazil but they look as vulnerable as anyone left in it to me. Think France, who also haven’t exactly dazzled, have to be the favourites. France have had the toughest road to the semifinal. They look the most well rounded team; they don't really have a weak area. Lloris is prone to howlers though, and Griezmann has been pretty quiet this tournament. Plus, the best team doesn't always win. France were better than Portugal all of Euro 2016 and lost.
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Post by Gods on Jul 7, 2018 22:21:30 GMT
Looking at the World Cup winners odds with say Bet365
2/1 France 11/4 England 11/4 Belgium 4/1 Croatia
So we will be favourites to beat Croatia and if we do then Belgium in the final would be an even money game whereas if we get France in the final they will be slight favourites.
There is a better than 1 in 3 chance England will be World champions a week on Sunday.
That's quite a thought right?
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Post by ohbottom on Jul 7, 2018 22:28:33 GMT
Looking at the World Cup winners odds with say Bet365 2/1 France 11/4 England 11/4 Belgium 4/1 Croatia So we will be favourites to beat Croatia and if we do then Belgium in the final would be an even money game whereas if we get France in the final they will be slight favourites. There is a better than 1 in 3 chance England will be World champions a week on Sunday. That's quite a thought right? Not quite true to say a Belgium - England final would be even money based on above prices. They are same price as us because they'd first have to get past the favourites - France. Also, price reflects the weight of money, not the actual probability of any particular outcome.
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Post by Gods on Jul 7, 2018 22:40:04 GMT
Looking at the World Cup winners odds with say Bet365 2/1 France 11/4 England 11/4 Belgium 4/1 Croatia So we will be favourites to beat Croatia and if we do then Belgium in the final would be an even money game whereas if we get France in the final they will be slight favourites. There is a better than 1 in 3 chance England will be World champions a week on Sunday. That's quite a thought right? Not quite true to say a Belgium - England final would be even money based on above prices. They are same price as us because they'd first have to get past the favourites - France. Also, price reflects the weight of money, not the actual probability of any particular outcome. You make a good point, we would likely be 2nd favourites in a final against Belgium although more fancied than we would be against France. I don't profess any expertise in the 'weight of the money' discussion at all except to say I have a friend who is a lawyer who works on behalf of one of the betting giants and she told me that the 'weight of the money' does not typically change the original odds by more than 10% or so either way.
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Post by pottermouth on Jul 7, 2018 22:41:45 GMT
Early thoughts? Think it will be a fascinating midfield battle. A close game but one England will win. 2-1.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2018 23:03:17 GMT
I must be the only person on the planet who thinks England still haven't played well this tournament. During a world cup you have to step up like Belgium did V Brazil. Hopefully we can do this V Croatia. I still think we are carrying a few players and they should be replaced. Okay he scored but Dele has been awful all world cup and Linguard as well doing nothing. Midfield is where this game will be won and lost. Has any team stood out? Only the French v Brazil imo.
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Post by wapiti on Jul 7, 2018 23:03:27 GMT
Tired legs for Croatia and the genius of losing to Belgium in the Group Stage. England are certainly poised to achieve.....but who the hell knows at this stage......still sticking to BEL-ENG Final.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 7, 2018 23:04:43 GMT
I've thought all along France would win it and nothing has changed my mind.
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Post by shangamuzo on Jul 7, 2018 23:16:20 GMT
Not quite true to say a Belgium - England final would be even money based on above prices. They are same price as us because they'd first have to get past the favourites - France. Also, price reflects the weight of money, not the actual probability of any particular outcome. You make a good point, we would likely be 2nd favourites in a final against Belgium although more fancied than we would be against France. I don't profess any expertise in the 'weight of the money' discussion at all except to say I have a friend who is a lawyer who works on behalf of one of the betting giants and she told me that the 'weight of the money' does not typically change the original odds by more than 10% or so either way. That book is about 7% overound which is quite fair for footy odds. If you scroll down on oddschecker, there's a pie graph. At the moment England are the most popular bet by far. That's over a wide range of bookmakers. As for weight of money, I've seen horses backed right down from 12/1 to favourite in a wholesale public gamble-its rare but it does happen on occasion.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 7, 2018 23:21:58 GMT
It’s going to be tough but I think we can do it. No doubt there strength is CM but they’re an ageing side so we should have the legs on them. I think he’ll go with the same 11 again but I’d be tempted to go with RLC in for Alli or Lingard as I think we’ll need to sit back a bit more.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 7, 2018 23:28:48 GMT
We'll smash it, 3-1.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 7, 2018 23:33:38 GMT
I can't believe I am saying this, but I think we will beat Croatia. I can see them bottling it, despite being the more talented side.
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Post by bozlemandy on Jul 7, 2018 23:39:59 GMT
I must be the only person on the planet who thinks England still haven't played well this tournament. During a world cup you have to step up like Belgium did V Brazil. Hopefully we can do this V Croatia. I still think we are carrying a few players and they should be replaced. Okay he scored but Dele has been awful all world cup and Linguard as well doing nothing. Midfield is where this game will be won and lost. Don't underestimate Lingard
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Jul 7, 2018 23:58:20 GMT
I'll definitely be heading into work early in the wee hours on Tuesday and Wednesday in order to get back home to see the games in time. This WC has been quite good. Would be killer to see England vs. France battling in the final as I'm sure all the broadcasters and advertisers would, but any final between any of these remaining four will still be great.
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Post by senojbor on Jul 8, 2018 1:49:08 GMT
I've thought all along France would win it and nothing has changed my mind. You said England had no chance 'of winning this one' in the Sweden thread. England have every chance of winning because they are better than France if they play them.
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 8, 2018 2:16:49 GMT
Looking at the World Cup winners odds with say Bet365 2/1 France 11/4 England 11/4 Belgium 4/1 Croatia So we will be favourites to beat Croatia and if we do then Belgium in the final would be an even money game whereas if we get France in the final they will be slight favourites. There is a better than 1 in 3 chance England will be World champions a week on Sunday. That's quite a thought right? BEL would be favourites against us, they're only as long as us now because they have to play France
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