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Post by xchpotter on Aug 1, 2018 12:12:34 GMT
Anyone remotely surprised. For one minute early on with signings of Afobe and Etebo, I thought yes we can do this with fresh blood. Now back in the same old cycle of getting other peopleโs used shit.....we continue to be charity case.๐๐๐
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 1, 2018 12:15:00 GMT
Anyone remotely surprised. For one minute early on with signings of Afobe and Etebo, I thought yes we can do this with fresh blood. Now back in the same old cycle of getting other peopleโs used shit.....we continue to be charity case.๐๐๐ He'd be a good back up.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 1, 2018 12:17:54 GMT
Sounds like this could be a batering chip in Everton's move for Badou, a straight loan for Wwilliams would be ok but to lose Badou as part of the process would be poor If a move for Badou generates cash for a signing like Pearson from Preston, with Williams as backup for CB then that wouldn't be so bad. Not really sure why you felt the need to include the bit about Williams in there.
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Post by Block 22 on Aug 1, 2018 12:18:16 GMT
Good. No nonsense defender and I would imagine he would be a good influence in the dressing room as well. On a year loan I have no issue with this to be honest
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 1, 2018 12:22:03 GMT
Williams would probably follow a similar arc to Fletcher. Initially you think has a bit of presence, this might be a good signing before quickly realising his body retired from Football two years ago and you're left with a useless husk, attempting to play by muscle memory alone.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 1, 2018 12:24:14 GMT
Big mates with Joe isnโt he๐ค
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Post by sportsman on Aug 1, 2018 12:25:38 GMT
I don't care what you say, he can't be any slower than Ryan and BMI
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Post by Block 22 on Aug 1, 2018 12:26:03 GMT
Williams would probably follow a similar arc to Fletcher. Initially you think has a bit of presence, this might be a good signing before quickly realising his body retired from Football two years ago and you're left with a useless husk, attempting to play by muscle memory alone. How good was Glen Johnson for us when he first arrived? Everyone was saying the same about him.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 1, 2018 12:27:09 GMT
Williams would probably follow a similar arc to Fletcher. Initially you think has a bit of presence, this might be a good signing before quickly realising his body retired from Football two years ago and you're left with a useless husk, attempting to play by muscle memory alone. Fletcher sitting in front of Williams, what a thought ...
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Post by Veritas on Aug 1, 2018 12:27:43 GMT
Williams would probably follow a similar arc to Fletcher. Initially you think has a bit of presence, this might be a good signing before quickly realising his body retired from Football two years ago and you're left with a useless husk, attempting to play by muscle memory alone. How good was Glen Johnson for us when he first arrived? Everyone was saying the same about him. Very good and then it all went horribly wrong
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 1, 2018 12:30:18 GMT
In the championship you need to head it a lot so Williams will be fine๐
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Post by Block 22 on Aug 1, 2018 12:33:43 GMT
How good was Glen Johnson for us when he first arrived? Everyone was saying the same about him. Very good and then it all went horribly wrong Correct. Hence why on a 1 YEAR LOAN DEAL it would be good.
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Post by cheadlestokie on Aug 1, 2018 12:40:50 GMT
What nags about this is it again smacks of wanting to spend very little despite all the bluster of a few weeks ago. Breaking even or thereabouts are we not at the moment? Well the wage bill was around ยฃ95m in the last set of accounts. Players have clauses of 30-40% generally it was reported in the media. So assume that it puts us somewhere around ยฃ60m, just in wages. The premier league will give us somewhere around ยฃ40m-ยฃ50m so we're already well past breaking even. Then bear in mind that instalments for transfers are still going to be going out and new signings also adding more to that. The reality is that its probably safer to assume that we will owe the Coates family closer to ยฃ150m than the club being run break even this year. It's quite likely last season pushed what we owe to the Coates family past the ยฃ100m mark and this season will be a big hit too on the accounts. Wages have to be paid whether or not a transfer fee is involved in the deal. Hope you are happy with the loan fee and not inconsiderable wages Williams will be on.A player whose current club fans say is past his sell-by date. And by the way I like the way you assume figure to justify you position.
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Post by maliciousdamage on Aug 1, 2018 12:49:41 GMT
Old, crap and on loan. Yeah, some overhaul this is. If I'm honest I never really bought into Scholes/Coates complete overhaul mantra, I didn't believe it and I certainly don't if this signing happens. I know three regular Everton goers all unknown to each other and all of differing ages and each one has told me last season he is now awful. We were told Rowett wanted young athletic types of players yet now we seem to be shopping in the retirement home again, all the experience in the world is no good if your body won't let you move quick enough to use it!!! I certainly less excited at this end of the window than the start, it looks like we are down to 'C' targets now even 'anyone will do' Like I said before my gut tells me this isn't working, no idea who's to blame CEO, Manager (he's actually started to sound frustrated in some respects), other clubs not wanting our deadwood. I just hope it pans out alright, well thats what I keep telling my lad!!!
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Post by jzime on Aug 1, 2018 12:58:15 GMT
I'm going to be a little bit blunt here: I think a few posters on here need to get real about where we are.
We are looking for a central defender who is going to be happy to sit on our bench for most of the season, and realistically only play when Shawcross and Bruno are injured or rested. It would be nicer, I agree, if we could sign somebody younger who is proven at this level. But for that to happen the player needs to be happy to potentially play very few games this season, and the club in question needs to be willing to do business with us; it's not really as easy as some people presume, even if we are the richest club in the division.
Williams would not be my choice (I'd rather try to sign James Collins on a free, for what my opinion is worth), but Williams was not the club's first choice either. We tried to sign James Chester, and it didn't happen. Villa aren't under the same pressure to sell that they were under at the start of the window. We tried to make it happen and bid ยฃ10m - when a fee like that isn't enough you really have to move on, even when moving on unfortunately mean you move on to less ideal targets. That is the simple reality of it.
Williams is somebody the club have identified and Rowett is clearly keen on him given that he was linked earlier in the window too. If Rowett wants him I am willing to give him a chance. A loan also makes a lot of sense really. A loan means that we don't have to rush into to a permanent deal for a player who isn't our first-choice target. Then we can then adjust our targets next summer depending on which division we're in.
We're not at Premier League club at present, we can't just throw money at problems and see what sticks (which didn't even work to begin with).
And, to be blunt, we play in a division where 37-year-old John Terry was one of the better defenders last season. I don't want to be arrogant about the league and I don't want to compare Terry's overall career with Williams', but there is no reason why a 33-year-old defender with a half-decent Premier League and international pedigree couldn't do us a job as backup.
And besides, this deal isn't even done yet. So let's chill out a bit.
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Post by jamerg on Aug 1, 2018 12:59:01 GMT
What was Terry like for Villa last year?
His legs had definitely "gone" (in a big way) at Premier League level, so how he did at Champ level last year might give us some clue as to what Williams might be like when dropping down...
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Post by Veritas on Aug 1, 2018 13:01:07 GMT
What was Terry like for Villa last year? His legs had definitely "gone" (in a big way) at Premier League level, so how he did at Champ level last year might give us some clue as to what Williams might be like when dropping down... He did ok by all accounts but do we think Wwilliams is happy to come here and sit on the bench? I am not so sure.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 1, 2018 13:01:40 GMT
What was Terry like for Villa last year? His legs had definitely "gone" (in a big way) at Premier League level, so how he did at Champ level last year might give us some clue as to what Williams might be like when dropping down... He smashed it.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 1, 2018 13:06:29 GMT
Are we really comparing Ashley Williams to John Terry? One of the best defenders the Premier League has ever seen?!... wow.
He never ever had pace anyway.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Aug 1, 2018 13:08:24 GMT
ITS A FUNNY ONE REALLY GOOD PLAYER AT HIS BEST BUT THOSE DAYS SEEM TO HAVE GONE AND WHATVER WE PAY HIS WAGES AINT CHEAP , PREFER A YOUNG HUNGRY CENTRE BACK MYSELF
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Post by fca47 on Aug 1, 2018 13:08:36 GMT
He's absolutely gone, we must have lost our senses.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 1, 2018 13:10:13 GMT
Are we really comparing Ashley Williams to John Terry? One of the best defenders the Premier League has ever seen?!... wow. He never ever had pace anyway. No not really, just that his age didn't really hinder him at the level.
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Post by jwhpotter on Aug 1, 2018 13:15:39 GMT
Everton fans offering to drive him here and pay us on their forum ๐ not a great sign
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Post by stokemark on Aug 1, 2018 13:29:31 GMT
Well normal service clearly has been resumed
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 13:33:21 GMT
Ballast. Williams on one side and Charlie on the other.
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Post by musik on Aug 1, 2018 13:33:28 GMT
Not a wild guess:
More of a panic signing
than
Wow, a player we've followed for quite some time now.
Hopefully, he stays injury free and could be the cb backup.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 1, 2018 13:34:15 GMT
Well normal service clearly has been resumed Yeh this one rumour really means exactly that
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 13:34:33 GMT
I'm going to be a little bit blunt here: I think a few posters on here need to get real about where we are. We are looking for a central defender who is going to be happy to sit on our bench for most of the season, and realistically only play when Shawcross and Bruno are injured or rested. It would be nicer, I agree, if we could sign somebody younger who is proven at this level. But for that to happen the player needs to be happy to potentially play very few games this season, and the club in question needs to be willing to do business with us; it's not really as easy as some people presume, even if we are the richest club in the division. Williams would not be my choice (I'd rather try to sign James Collins on a free, for what my opinion is worth), but Williams was not the club's first choice either. We tried to sign James Chester, and it didn't happen. Villa aren't under the same pressure to sell that they were under at the start of the window. We tried to make it happen and bid ยฃ10m - when a fee like that isn't enough you really have to move on, even when moving on unfortunately mean you move on to less ideal targets. That is the simple reality of it.ย Williams is somebody the club have identified and Rowett is clearly keen on him given that he was linked earlier in the window too. If Rowett wants him I am willing to give him a chance. A loan also makes a lot of sense really. A loan means that we don't have to rush into to a permanent deal for a player who isn't our first-choice target. Then we can then adjust our targets next summer depending on which division we're in. We're not at Premier League club at present, we can't just throw money at problems and see what sticks (which didn't even work to begin with). And, to be blunt, we play in a division where 37-year-old John Terry was one of the better defenders last season. I don't want to be arrogant about the league and I don't want to compare Terry's overall career with Williams', but there is no reason why a 33-year-old defender with a half-decent Premier League and international pedigree couldn't do us a job as backup. And besides, this deal isn't even done yet. So let's chill out a bit. Your post highlights everything wrong with our recruitment for the past god knows how many years, and a very real reason why we are where we are now. We're happy to buy James Chester but we then potentially end up with a washed up 33 year old has been on loan? That's exactly what we did with Cedric Soares and ended up with Glen Johnson. Fletcher for Whelan etc. Where's the middle ground? The 3M on Adam Webster, 7M on Aden Flint, 4M on John Egan? Don't tell me they wouldn't come here. Nonsense. Give them a decent rise, tell them to come here and set them the challenge of displacing our current two and I guarantee they'd be here like a shot. This manager has pinpointed where the issues at this club are and he's done it in a matter of weeks. He's told us in every which way possible. Either people want to listen or they don't.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 1, 2018 13:36:25 GMT
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Post by elgreco on Aug 1, 2018 13:38:31 GMT
I don't care what you say, he can't be any slower than Ryan and BMI Seriously!!!!! BMI v Williams would be like Redrum racing Muriel the donkey from Blackpool beach. Williams is one of the slowest defenders in professional football.
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