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Post by jwhpotter on Aug 1, 2018 13:39:00 GMT
Strange BBC are usually about 3 days behind
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 1, 2018 13:40:07 GMT
Strange BBC are usually about 3 days behind Welsh writer of the article🤔
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Post by lagwafis on Aug 1, 2018 13:40:53 GMT
A few Everton comments suggesting he looked better when Big Sam 'simplified things'.... (taken from last December)
Certainly looks like a player due to drop down a level though. Hopefully if it happens he'll be more of a Salif Diao 06/07 than a Paul Williams 03/04!
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Post by baystokie on Aug 1, 2018 13:41:40 GMT
ITS A FUNNY ONE REALLY GOOD PLAYER AT HIS BEST BUT THOSE DAYS SEEM TO HAVE GONE AND WHATVER WE PAY HIS WAGES AINT CHEAP , PREFER A YOUNG HUNGRY CENTRE BACK MYSELF The deal COULD be that Everton pay the greater part of his wages? Does anyone on here KNOW what the deal entails? I doubt it so until we do, maybe hold our ammunition!
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 1, 2018 13:48:38 GMT
As a bench warmer and safe pair of hands he’ll do fine. We need to spend the big money on a DM, Wing and striker not backups.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 1, 2018 13:49:26 GMT
ITS A FUNNY ONE REALLY GOOD PLAYER AT HIS BEST BUT THOSE DAYS SEEM TO HAVE GONE AND WHATVER WE PAY HIS WAGES AINT CHEAP , PREFER A YOUNG HUNGRY CENTRE BACK MYSELF At his best he doesn't go anywhere near us, he'd be staying where he is, even at 80% of his best he'd be a good signing to add to the group.
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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 1, 2018 13:51:13 GMT
It’s a no from me
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 1, 2018 13:53:21 GMT
As a bench warmer and safe pair of hands he’ll do fine. We need to spend the big money on a DM, Wing and striker not backups. No way he’s coming here to warm the bench
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 1, 2018 13:55:08 GMT
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Post by burberrybassist on Aug 1, 2018 14:14:51 GMT
He's an experienced leader that has played and captained at the highest level domestically and internationally. He is joining as a squad player for a very long and difficult campaign.
I'm pretty happy if it happens.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Aug 1, 2018 14:15:24 GMT
As a bench warmer and safe pair of hands he’ll do fine. We need to spend the big money on a DM, Wing and striker not backups. No way he’s coming here to warm the bench I was thinking that. So he's going to drop a league AND be happy to sit on the bench? Not gonna happen for me. If we sign him and Bruno leaves, there is going to be a meltdown of the highest proportions on here.
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Post by Block 22 on Aug 1, 2018 14:23:18 GMT
As has been alluded to above. Backup centre half is good as a loan option. Then we can spend Badou money on a defensive midfield enforcer (Mo Besic PLEASE). And another Winger (Matt Ritchie).
Job done.
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Post by nantwichstokie on Aug 1, 2018 14:24:55 GMT
He's an experienced leader that has played and captained at the highest level domestically and internationally. He is joining as a squad player for a very long and difficult campaign. I'm pretty happy if it happens. Couldn't agree more. Seems decent enough signing to me. Solid.
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Post by musik on Aug 1, 2018 14:25:03 GMT
If we sign him and Bruno leaves, then back at square One. Another cb In.
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Post by sportsman on Aug 1, 2018 14:25:26 GMT
No way he’s coming here to warm the bench I was thinking that. So he's going to drop a league AND be happy to sit on the bench? Not gonna happen for me. If we sign him and Bruno leaves, there is going to be a meltdown of the highest proportions on here. Please don't try tell me BMI is some sort of wonderful defender.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Aug 1, 2018 14:37:18 GMT
I was thinking that. So he's going to drop a league AND be happy to sit on the bench? Not gonna happen for me. If we sign him and Bruno leaves, there is going to be a meltdown of the highest proportions on here. Please don't try tell me BMI is some sort of wonderful defender. Well, he's not nearly 34 and he's left footed, so he'd be a miss.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 1, 2018 14:44:05 GMT
5-4-1 on Sunday could be ideal with only Afobe in at the moment. Our leaky defense. What a way to start our life in the Championship. Ultra defensive hoping we can nick a goal at a set piece?!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 1, 2018 14:44:12 GMT
I'm going to be a little bit blunt here: I think a few posters on here need to get real about where we are. We are looking for a central defender who is going to be happy to sit on our bench for most of the season, and realistically only play when Shawcross and Bruno are injured or rested. It would be nicer, I agree, if we could sign somebody younger who is proven at this level. But for that to happen the player needs to be happy to potentially play very few games this season, and the club in question needs to be willing to do business with us; it's not really as easy as some people presume, even if we are the richest club in the division. Williams would not be my choice (I'd rather try to sign James Collins on a free, for what my opinion is worth), but Williams was not the club's first choice either. We tried to sign James Chester, and it didn't happen. Villa aren't under the same pressure to sell that they were under at the start of the window. We tried to make it happen and bid £10m - when a fee like that isn't enough you really have to move on, even when moving on unfortunately mean you move on to less ideal targets. That is the simple reality of it. Williams is somebody the club have identified and Rowett is clearly keen on him given that he was linked earlier in the window too. If Rowett wants him I am willing to give him a chance. A loan also makes a lot of sense really. A loan means that we don't have to rush into to a permanent deal for a player who isn't our first-choice target. Then we can then adjust our targets next summer depending on which division we're in. We're not at Premier League club at present, we can't just throw money at problems and see what sticks (which didn't even work to begin with). And, to be blunt, we play in a division where 37-year-old John Terry was one of the better defenders last season. I don't want to be arrogant about the league and I don't want to compare Terry's overall career with Williams', but there is no reason why a 33-year-old defender with a half-decent Premier League and international pedigree couldn't do us a job as backup. And besides, this deal isn't even done yet. So let's chill out a bit. Your post highlights everything wrong with our recruitment for the past god knows how many years, and a very real reason why we are where we are now. We're happy to buy James Chester but we then potentially end up with a washed up 33 year old has been on loan? That's exactly what we did with Cedric Soares and ended up with Glen Johnson. Fletcher for Whelan etc. Where's the middle ground? The 3M on Adam Webster, 7M on Aden Flint, 4M on John Egan? Don't tell me they wouldn't come here. Nonsense. Give them a decent rise, tell them to come here and set them the challenge of displacing our current two and I guarantee they'd be here like a shot. This manager has pinpointed where the issues at this club are and he's done it in a matter of weeks. He's told us in every which way possible. Either people want to listen or they don't. .
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Post by spoton on Aug 1, 2018 14:51:44 GMT
If he's the best we can do then we are definitely going backwards, I rate him certainly no better than wimmer,Denis Smith would do a better job please please NO
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Post by sportsman on Aug 1, 2018 14:54:13 GMT
Please don't try tell me BMI is some sort of wonderful defender. Well, he's not nearly 34 and he's left footed, so he'd be a miss. And also spends a lot of time getting turned having being pulled out of position high inside out own half and ends up running in quick sand trying to recover. The trouble with our defenders for years and years, is they are all ok defending Andy Carroll and other big lumps in general, but no good with any forward with half a brain and a turn of pace.
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Post by oslostokie1 on Aug 1, 2018 14:54:18 GMT
Some wouldn’t be happy on here until we end up with a Pique -Varane combo. Completely deluded about our situation.
Williams would be a good solid signing at this level and no worse than Shawcross or BMi
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Post by philb on Aug 1, 2018 14:57:33 GMT
Some wouldn’t be happy on here until we end up with a Pique -Varane combo. Completely deluded about our situation. Williams would be a good solid signing at this level and no worse than Shawcross or BMi Correct. Some people would even prefer Wimmer 😂
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Post by Gods on Aug 1, 2018 14:59:01 GMT
Reporting this on Radio 5 Live now, it's happening isn't it?
He's a high testosterone animal, played 60 matches for Everton in the last 2 seasons, better than throwing some callow youth in to the fray, I have a good feeling about this one.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 1, 2018 14:59:40 GMT
I'm going to be a little bit blunt here: I think a few posters on here need to get real about where we are. We are looking for a central defender who is going to be happy to sit on our bench for most of the season, and realistically only play when Shawcross and Bruno are injured or rested. It would be nicer, I agree, if we could sign somebody younger who is proven at this level. But for that to happen the player needs to be happy to potentially play very few games this season, and the club in question needs to be willing to do business with us; it's not really as easy as some people presume, even if we are the richest club in the division. Williams would not be my choice (I'd rather try to sign James Collins on a free, for what my opinion is worth), but Williams was not the club's first choice either. We tried to sign James Chester, and it didn't happen. Villa aren't under the same pressure to sell that they were under at the start of the window. We tried to make it happen and bid £10m - when a fee like that isn't enough you really have to move on, even when moving on unfortunately mean you move on to less ideal targets. That is the simple reality of it. Williams is somebody the club have identified and Rowett is clearly keen on him given that he was linked earlier in the window too. If Rowett wants him I am willing to give him a chance. A loan also makes a lot of sense really. A loan means that we don't have to rush into to a permanent deal for a player who isn't our first-choice target. Then we can then adjust our targets next summer depending on which division we're in. We're not at Premier League club at present, we can't just throw money at problems and see what sticks (which didn't even work to begin with). And, to be blunt, we play in a division where 37-year-old John Terry was one of the better defenders last season. I don't want to be arrogant about the league and I don't want to compare Terry's overall career with Williams', but there is no reason why a 33-year-old defender with a half-decent Premier League and international pedigree couldn't do us a job as backup. And besides, this deal isn't even done yet. So let's chill out a bit. Your post highlights everything wrong with our recruitment for the past god knows how many years, and a very real reason why we are where we are now. We're happy to buy James Chester but we then potentially end up with a washed up 33 year old has been on loan? That's exactly what we did with Cedric Soares and ended up with Glen Johnson. Fletcher for Whelan etc. Where's the middle ground? The 3M on Adam Webster, 7M on Aden Flint, 4M on John Egan? Don't tell me they wouldn't come here. Nonsense. Give them a decent rise, tell them to come here and set them the challenge of displacing our current two and I guarantee they'd be here like a shot. This manager has pinpointed where the issues at this club are and he's done it in a matter of weeks. He's told us in every which way possible. Either people want to listen or they don't. Ouch. An excellent and painfully correct summary. We really don't have a clue. We need hungry players not has-beens
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Post by sportsman on Aug 1, 2018 15:00:25 GMT
Some wouldn’t be happy on here until we end up with a Pique -Varane combo. Completely deluded about our situation. Williams would be a good solid signing at this level and no worse than Shawcross or BMi Correct. Some people would even prefer Wimmer 😂 Or some just like a bloody moan. I'm happy with it as long as others come in to complement it with legs, and energy.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Aug 1, 2018 15:12:36 GMT
Reporting this on Radio 5 Live now, it's happening isn't it? He's a high testosterone animal, played 60 matches for Everton in the last 2 seasons, better than throwing some callow youth in to the fray, I have a good feeling about this one.Oh fuck!
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Aug 1, 2018 15:14:16 GMT
People have to realise that the Championship is absolutely a step down from the Premier League.
In a league where Curtis Davies (33 years old) is one of the best centre backs in the league, there's no reason why an Ashley Williams (33 years old) can't be a good player for us.
I like this move.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 1, 2018 15:19:13 GMT
Your post highlights everything wrong with our recruitment for the past god knows how many years, and a very real reason why we are where we are now. We're happy to buy James Chester but we then potentially end up with a washed up 33 year old has been on loan? That's exactly what we did with Cedric Soares and ended up with Glen Johnson. Fletcher for Whelan etc. Where's the middle ground? The 3M on Adam Webster, 7M on Aden Flint, 4M on John Egan? Don't tell me they wouldn't come here. Nonsense. Give them a decent rise, tell them to come here and set them the challenge of displacing our current two and I guarantee they'd be here like a shot. This manager has pinpointed where the issues at this club are and he's done it in a matter of weeks. He's told us in every which way possible. Either people want to listen or they don't. . Presumably the manager, who is clearly leading the push on Chester, thinks he could play in the PL whereas the other players mentioned may not be seen as having the same potential. Given this, a relatively cheap loan seems a sensible strategy. Give Williams the incentive of a promotion bonus and we still have the option of adding another CB now or in the next window and if we do go up we don't have the burden of a Championship standard centre back on a long contract. Clearly Davies would have been a similar short-term move
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 1, 2018 15:19:54 GMT
At least it frees up the bulk of the prospective Chester £10m for other stuff.
And, especially if Badou goes, there could still be a lot of money spent in the last week.
It's certainly possible that Williams has a good season left in him at this level. Allardyce knows a thing or two about nuts and bolts defending, and he was still picking him in his XI well into the spring, until he got sent off and didn't get his place back
And there's obviously no commitment beyond next May.
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Post by musik on Aug 1, 2018 15:26:10 GMT
Some wouldn’t be happy on here until we end up with a Pique -Varane combo. Or Thiago Silva + Harry Maguire 😉
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