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Post by cheadlestokie on Aug 1, 2018 10:55:19 GMT
What nags about this is it again smacks of wanting to spend very little despite all the bluster of a few weeks ago. Breaking even or thereabouts are we not at the moment?
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Post by iglugluk on Aug 1, 2018 10:56:05 GMT
Might as well have offered Huth a contract ..... the problems of the last couple of years seem to be surfacing once more...... it's hard to believe that so few lessons appear to have been learnt after last season's debacle.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 1, 2018 10:56:57 GMT
Oh yeah, definitely. Both of them are walking niggles. But, even so, there's going to be a hierarchy and you'd think they'd both manage the bulk of the season. As Everton skipper (even one clearly on the way out), would Williams be prepared to come in as 3rd choice for a Champ team? I guess we may find out! Yeah, if he comes it’ll be an odd one unless he’s been given assurances. It would suggest to me that he knows he can’t cut it at the top level anymore and is just happy to get the odd game here and there. Well his contract runs out end of season so he'll be effectively leaving Everton with this loan and I guess at 34 he has more chance of another contract with us or another championship team after next season.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 11:04:55 GMT
Really difficult to judge how he'd perform at this level. At least he's had a full pre-season training following his collapsed lung at the end of May.
Last few times I saw him in the Prem he looked slow and always likely to give away silly free-kicks/penalties as he mistimed his tackles by being half a yard short all the time. But there's no doubt he has a presence and physicality in both boxes that we may well need. As a back up; we could do worse. Hopefully only a loan. We still need another defender through the door if he joins.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 1, 2018 11:05:33 GMT
It is but I don't even put him in the Taggart bracket. He's never struck me as a clever defender who can use his brain to make up for athletic deficiencies. It's not making all that much sense to me, I must admit. From his point of view, why would he come in to challenge Shawcross and BMI? Which one of the 3 would be benched? There are more obvious moves for a veteran looking for games And we'd be paying £2m for the year in wages, you'd think, and end up with nothing to show. He'll be 34 in a fortnight, which isn't in itself a problem if there weren't apparently major signs of his legs going. Laurie Whitwell is pretty reliable though, so I'm guessing it's true. And Rowett likes his experience. BMI seems to be rated much more bythe supporters than he does the various managers he's played under. If an existing defender misses out at the expense of a new signing it will undoubtedly be him
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Post by cousindupree on Aug 1, 2018 11:09:21 GMT
It has been pretty obvious to most people that Zouma was going back to Chelsea and we would need another CB especially because both Ryan and BMI get regular injury niggles. I guess we could have planned for this literally months ago. So our recruitment team must have been tasked with finding another decent CB.....and all they come up with at the final hour is Ashley Williams on loan. A decent additional CB should have been a priority but for some reason known to the club we couldn't be arsed...smacks of the complacency that was shown in January when we desperately needed another forward and we made just one call for Ings who it was common knowledge, Klopp had said he was going nowhere!
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 1, 2018 11:09:34 GMT
It's not making all that much sense to me, I must admit. From his point of view, why would he come in to challenge Shawcross and BMI? Which one of the 3 would be benched? There are more obvious moves for a veteran looking for games And we'd be paying £2m for the year in wages, you'd think, and end up with nothing to show. He'll be 34 in a fortnight, which isn't in itself a problem if there weren't apparently major signs of his legs going. Laurie Whitwell is pretty reliable though, so I'm guessing it's true. And Rowett likes his experience. BMI seems to be rated much more bythe supporters than he does the various managers he's played under. If an existing defender misses out at the expense of a new signing it will undoubtedly be him I've never particularly rated BMI, he's as average as it gets for me as a CB.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 1, 2018 11:11:21 GMT
It's not making all that much sense to me, I must admit. From his point of view, why would he come in to challenge Shawcross and BMI? Which one of the 3 would be benched? There are more obvious moves for a veteran looking for games And we'd be paying £2m for the year in wages, you'd think, and end up with nothing to show. He'll be 34 in a fortnight, which isn't in itself a problem if there weren't apparently major signs of his legs going. Laurie Whitwell is pretty reliable though, so I'm guessing it's true. And Rowett likes his experience. BMI seems to be rated much more bythe supporters than he does the various managers he's played under. If an existing defender misses out at the expense of a new signing it will undoubtedly be him Totally agree with that and I also think your mate is also at risk judging by our chase for a left back
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 1, 2018 11:11:44 GMT
It's not making all that much sense to me, I must admit. From his point of view, why would he come in to challenge Shawcross and BMI? Which one of the 3 would be benched? There are more obvious moves for a veteran looking for games And we'd be paying £2m for the year in wages, you'd think, and end up with nothing to show. He'll be 34 in a fortnight, which isn't in itself a problem if there weren't apparently major signs of his legs going. Laurie Whitwell is pretty reliable though, so I'm guessing it's true. And Rowett likes his experience. BMI seems to be rated much more bythe supporters than he does the various managers he's played under. If an existing defender misses out at the expense of a new signing it will undoubtedly be him BMI was excellent the 1st season on loan, if he gets anywhere near that we don't need to worry about him.
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Post by werrington on Aug 1, 2018 11:19:08 GMT
Typical Stoke City sticking plaster. Hoped things had changed,but no! Afobe, Etobo, Ince, Joe Allen and Bauer on renewed contracts and after Richie,Chester’s and Gayle etc You do realise we can sign up to 8 loans yeah ? Sticking plaster my arse
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Aug 1, 2018 11:21:01 GMT
Champo is a different level, isn't it? Having said that, I'd be amazed if he'd come to sit on our bench It is but I don't even put him in the Taggart bracket. He's never struck me as a clever defender who can use his brain to make up for athletic deficiencies. He’s like Zouma but since he left Swansea he’s now a Zouma without the pace to make up for his poor positioning and awareness. Zouma looked much better than he is due to being surrounded by worse quality than he was and his last ditch tackles that while they were very good, were sometimes caused by himself anyway.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Aug 1, 2018 11:23:58 GMT
BMI seems to be rated much more bythe supporters than he does the various managers he's played under. If an existing defender misses out at the expense of a new signing it will undoubtedly be him Totally agree with that and I also think your mate is also at risk judging by our chase for a left back Sign a new left back and he'll quickly find himself behind king Erik in the pecking order.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 11:26:01 GMT
Typical Stoke City sticking plaster. Hoped things had changed,but no! Afobe, Etobo, Ince, Joe Allen and Bauer on renewed contracts and after Richie,Chester’s and Gayle etc You do realise we can sign up to 8 loans yeah ? Sticking plaster my arse Correct Wez. Sticking plasters are supposed to stick!
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Aug 1, 2018 11:27:31 GMT
I'd be happy with this signing.
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Post by unknown182 on Aug 1, 2018 11:28:12 GMT
I'd prefer James Collins on a free transfer tbh.
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Post by Fred Merger on Aug 1, 2018 11:32:49 GMT
Typical Stoke City sticking plaster. Hoped things had changed,but no! Afobe, Etobo, Ince, Joe Allen and Bauer on renewed contracts and after Richie,Chester’s and Gayle etc You do realise we can sign up to 8 loans yeah ? Sticking plaster my arse 34 years of age this month obviously been told he doesn't fit into Evertons plans and looking for another club but I feel we have enough over the hill players on the books who we are already trying to move on. This would just be adding to that list in my opinion. I remember Bojan rinsing him at Swansea for a penalty that won us the game a couple of seasons ago,and that was before his move to Everton. Half decent in his day but another spent force that we can do without.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 1, 2018 11:34:42 GMT
Typical Stoke City sticking plaster. Hoped things had changed,but no! Afobe, Etobo, Ince, Joe Allen and Bauer on renewed contracts and after Richie,Chester’s and Gayle etc You do realise we can sign up to 8 loans yeah ? Sticking plaster my arse I thought it was 5 loans mate in your matchday 18?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 11:39:50 GMT
I'd prefer James Collins on a free transfer tbh. This
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Post by santy on Aug 1, 2018 11:40:27 GMT
What nags about this is it again smacks of wanting to spend very little despite all the bluster of a few weeks ago. Breaking even or thereabouts are we not at the moment? Well the wage bill was around £95m in the last set of accounts. Players have clauses of 30-40% generally it was reported in the media. So assume that it puts us somewhere around £60m, just in wages. The premier league will give us somewhere around £40m-£50m so we're already well past breaking even. Then bear in mind that instalments for transfers are still going to be going out and new signings also adding more to that. The reality is that its probably safer to assume that we will owe the Coates family closer to £150m than the club being run break even this year. It's quite likely last season pushed what we owe to the Coates family past the £100m mark and this season will be a big hit too on the accounts.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Aug 1, 2018 11:42:08 GMT
Sounds like all our barrels have been scraped. Scraped? sounds like we've picked em all up and brought in a JCB to dig where they used to be!
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Post by awrypotter on Aug 1, 2018 11:45:01 GMT
Typical Stoke City sticking plaster. Hoped things had changed,but no! Afobe, Etobo, Ince, Joe Allen and Bauer on renewed contracts and after Richie,Chester’s and Gayle etc You do realise we can sign up to 8 loans yeah ? Sticking plaster my arse I think it smells of desperation and Teflon's incompetence.He may have been good in the past but not now at 34. Another Glen Johnson. What we need is pace in the team. He won't add any. We haven't signed Chester, Richie or Gayle.
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Post by Fred Merger on Aug 1, 2018 11:49:38 GMT
2 years ago he was a decent defender and would have been a good signing. 2 years ago Saido scored his last professional goal?
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Post by Gods on Aug 1, 2018 11:54:59 GMT
We'd have to assess his fitness. Not every 33/34 year old is 'another Glenn Johnson'.
And I think playing centre-back you do not need the same endurance that you do as a modern fullback where there is the necessity to overlap and get up and down.
What's for certain is that we have to do something, there is not a snowballs chance in hell of Ryan and BMI remaining fit for 46 championship games.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 1, 2018 11:59:48 GMT
Just logged on and I saw this thread at the top of the board, I opened it with a sense of dread and foreboding ...
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Post by rockthecity on Aug 1, 2018 12:00:48 GMT
could be a brilliant one this or an absolute shitter! for me i would give Huth a pay as you play
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Post by bigcashprizes on Aug 1, 2018 12:04:50 GMT
His legs have gone. They did about three separate features on him last season on MNF, highlighting his lack of pace and how he kept dragging Everton's defence out of shape by dropping deep to avoid having to sprint. No thanks
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Post by Veritas on Aug 1, 2018 12:06:31 GMT
Sounds like this could be a batering chip in Everton's move for Badou, a straight loan for Wwilliams would be ok but to lose Badou as part of the process would be poor
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Post by chrisgal on Aug 1, 2018 12:06:46 GMT
I am very disappointed that we are even looking at 33 year old players. We may be just stupid enough to offer him a long contract on high wages and then get stuck with him.
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Post by Fred Merger on Aug 1, 2018 12:09:55 GMT
Sounds like this could be a batering chip in Everton's move for Badou, a straight loan for Wwilliams would be ok but to lose Badou as part of the process would be poor If a move for Badou generates cash for a signing like Pearson from Preston,with Williams as backup for CB then that wouldn't be so bad.
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Post by clintonbaptiste on Aug 1, 2018 12:12:17 GMT
I saw a newsfeed this morning linking us to Ashley Williams from everton. please let this just be internet bollox he is the worst defender I have ever seen. he was shite at Swansea and I was flummoxed when everton signed him for big bucks. he is a liability if we sign this buffoon it will be the worst signing since paul dyson and would make the wolschild,wimmer signings look astute!!!! He was pretty far from shite for Swansea
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