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Post by sportsman on Jun 30, 2018 14:28:46 GMT
At 28, Bojan is running out of time if he wants to get his career back on track. It will be interesting to see what kind of man-manager GR is. Is he one of those macho types who has no time for players who might need the proverbial "arm around the shoulder", or is he brave enough to give Bojan until, say, Christmas, to get his confidence back, and establish himself as the creative axis for the team? Personally, I hope it is the latter, as a fit-and-firing Bojan is an asset to any team outside the Prem. top six, let alone one in the championship. This new, personalised, one-on-one training programme, addressing each players weaknesses, and optimizing strengths, could be exactly what Bojan needs. At 28, bojan should be and still could be in his prime.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 30, 2018 14:58:00 GMT
Don't see what we gain by getting rid of him. We're not even close to being a club who can let players of that quality go. We weren't 2 years ago when we first sent him on loan either. What quality, he's shown nothing in the last 2 years.
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Post by westgatelakes on Jun 30, 2018 15:12:21 GMT
I know it's unlikely but what a bonus it would be if our 2 most natural finishers, bojan & berahino came good again this season
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Post by cousindupree on Jun 30, 2018 15:31:39 GMT
So far by the looks of the manager's transfer targets he favours brawn and stamina over subtle skills. To get us out of this division you also need a touch of unpredictable skill to unlock tight defenses and I hope GR recognises this. Bojan might not be the answer but there is no sign at the moment that we have someone who can deliver that special pass.
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Post by 1982stokie on Jun 30, 2018 17:27:46 GMT
Bojan was often barged off the ball but I believe he would have been far more protected by refs and won far more free kicks had he played for a more fashionable club instead teams knew they could rough him up early with no consequence. This by all means was not the whole issue but it didn't help
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Post by harryburrows on Jun 30, 2018 17:35:26 GMT
Bojan was often barged off the ball but I believe he would have been far more protected by refs and won far more free kicks had he played for a more fashionable club instead teams knew they could rough him up early with no consequence. This by all means was not the whole issue but it didn't help He was often muscled off the ball without being fouled .
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Post by Championship Potter on Jun 30, 2018 17:44:46 GMT
Surely worth keeping him around? We’d have to give him such a big payoff we really wouldn’t be much better off financially and, at 28, he’d boss the Championship if he’s right physically and mentally. Took Falcao a couple of seasons to properly get over his cruciate injury so don’t see why it’s too late for Bojan to come back to near his old level.
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Post by 1982stokie on Jun 30, 2018 17:51:33 GMT
Bojan was often barged off the ball but I believe he would have been far more protected by refs and won far more free kicks had he played for a more fashionable club instead teams knew they could rough him up early with no consequence. This by all means was not the whole issue but it didn't help He was often muscled off the ball without being fouled . Yes this is true, but quite often smaller skillful players are given fouls anyway a benefit he wasn't afforded
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2018 20:57:21 GMT
Don't see what we gain by getting rid of him. We're not even close to being a club who can let players of that quality go. We weren't 2 years ago when we first sent him on loan either. What quality, he's shown nothing in the last 2 years. You don't lose quality like that. A Bojan at 50% of his 2015/16 level absolutely smashes the Championship. As has been posted above, you need quality and skill in the Championship just as much (if not more) than you need 6'5" centre halves called Steve or Keith.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 30, 2018 21:48:28 GMT
What quality, he's shown nothing in the last 2 years. You don't lose quality like that. A Bojan at 50% of his 2015/16 level absolutely smashes the Championship. As has been posted above, you need quality and skill in the Championship just as much (if not more) than you need 6'5" centre halves called Steve or Keith. He didn't smash it when we played wolves, in fact he was one of the worst on the pitch. I get you need quality and skill but I don't think he has enough any more, I also question his desire to show it tbh.
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Post by numpty40 on Jun 30, 2018 22:40:43 GMT
Don't see what we gain by getting rid of him. We're not even close to being a club who can let players of that quality go. We weren't 2 years ago when we first sent him on loan either. What quality, he's shown nothing in the last 2 years. I quite agree, he's shown fuck all in two years. But fuck me, that first year was what makes you love football. I hope our new manager makes it his priority to find a way of getting a tune out of the most talented footballer we've seen at Stoke in the last 30 odd years
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2018 23:53:23 GMT
You don't lose quality like that. A Bojan at 50% of his 2015/16 level absolutely smashes the Championship. As has been posted above, you need quality and skill in the Championship just as much (if not more) than you need 6'5" centre halves called Steve or Keith. He didn't smash it when we played wolves, in fact he was one of the worst on the pitch. I get you need quality and skill but I don't think he has enough any more, I also question his desire to show it tbh. I'm just re quoting this....its important people judge him based on this rather than a misguided opinion. I understand people will say... Ooooo hes only played a handful of games because he's not good enough.... But we dont know that I think looking at things properly rather than just making random comments is fairer for Bojan. He WAS part of a team, an integral part, that saw us playing some excellent football in late 2015. The wins over Everton, Man Utd and particularly Man City are clear evidence of that. Bojan has always said, backed up by comments from Alan Shearer that he was playing on adrenalin after his injury. After the Liverpool Cup game he admitted he was knackered and needed a break. Despite that he made 27 appearances (starts) in the Premier League that season with a decent return of 7 goals. We all know that 2016 was the beginning of the Hughes meltdown. On to the 2016/2017 season and Hughes has really started to lose it. The 4 conceeded against the top 6 begins in earnest against Man City in the first home game of the season. However, Bojan scores in that game, a penalty, to make it 2-1. We then went for it, and conceded two late goals. The result not befitting the game, which will be remembered for the "holding at corners" penalties. Despite not having an awful game Bojan only started 5 games that season. Despite this he still scored 3 goals, should have been 4, but he struck the bar from the penalty spot against Bournemouth, a penalty he won. And that was that for Bojan.....he was poor against Wolves in the Cup....as were the whole team and we have never really seen him again. In fact he has only started 13 games since then. You can not judge how good a player is based in that. What we do know is he has a decent goal return in the Premier League when starting games. He has the ability to be a wonderful, wonderful player. Those who want to write him off need to have a look at the failings of Hughes rather than Bojan. There was a reason Arnie wanted out. Hughes. I anticipate Hughes is the reason Bojan went too. Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/280303/gr-keen-on-bojan-return?page=6#ixzz5JxJns0Ts
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Post by Bagwash on Jul 1, 2018 3:09:20 GMT
Bojan needs a decent run in the first team,not dropped after a below par performance that Mark Hughes regularly did. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but I am convinced that had we recalled Bojan in January from his loan he would have scored the 4 or 5 extra goals that would have meant we would have survived. Mate he couldn't get games anywhere he played during the past 2 years what makes you think he would come good back at stoke I concede that based on his loan spells the last two seasons my arguement about giving him a run is flawed but I believe that because of the skill he possesses/possessed he is worth persevering with. He may have had an issue with Hughes(I still think his treatment of Bojan was very poor when other players were and still are performing as badly)and is relishing a new start because if Stoke can get him playing anything like we know he can,we are going to have one hell of a player in our squad.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2018 12:41:57 GMT
Don't see what we gain by getting rid of him. We're not even close to being a club who can let players of that quality go. We weren't 2 years ago when we first sent him on loan either. What quality, he's shown nothing in the last 2 years. They wrote a song for the likes of you in the 60s... Who reads yesterday's papers? Nobody in the world!
So there you have it. Only nobodies would care about "the last 2 years"!
The only thing that matters is what/whether he shows sufficient quality in the upcoming games.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2018 13:08:05 GMT
You don't lose quality like that. A Bojan at 50% of his 2015/16 level absolutely smashes the Championship. As has been posted above, you need quality and skill in the Championship just as much (if not more) than you need 6'5" centre halves called Steve or Keith. He didn't smash it when we played wolves, in fact he was one of the worst on the pitch. I get you need quality and skill but I don't think he has enough any more, I also question his desire to show it tbh. Neither did anyone else that day. I don't think he was one of the worst. Not sure how having a midfield 3 of Afellay/Imbula/Bojan was supposed to be good for anyone to be honest. Could stick Messi in that midfield and he wouldn't be able to do anything. Also not sure why you should ignore the other 2 seasons in 2015/16 and 14/15 where he played consistently and was in flying form ahead of one game. Those are the last 2 seasons he started more than 3 in a row for any team.
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Post by stokieben on Jul 1, 2018 14:44:09 GMT
Had a surreal moment last night and actually spoke to Bojan in a bathroom
After fumbling about with my phone for a picture in said bathroom, I asked him about this season. He said pre-season was tough but different to what he was used to, (granted they are only three days in). Wished him luck for this season and said hope he’s part of the squad in getting us promoted this year.
He smiled, nodded, and said I hope I am too.
Didn’t ask him anything else, I was too taken by surprise
If we can get his head sorted and up for a fight, he can offer us something still
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2018 15:12:59 GMT
Had a surreal moment last night and actually spoke to Bojan in a bathroom After fumbling about with my phone for a picture in said bathroom, I asked him about this season. He said pre-season was tough but different to what he was used to, (granted they are only three days in). Wished him luck for this season and said hope he’s part of the squad in getting us promoted this year. He smiled, nodded, and said I hope I am too. Didn’t ask him anything else, I was too taken by surprise If we can get his head sorted and up for a fight, he can offer us something still Bullshit
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Post by chell_rosey on Jul 1, 2018 15:21:29 GMT
Had a surreal moment last night and actually spoke to Bojan in a bathroom After fumbling about with my phone for a picture in said bathroom, I asked him about this season. He said pre-season was tough but different to what he was used to, (granted they are only three days in). Wished him luck for this season and said hope he’s part of the squad in getting us promoted this year. He smiled, nodded, and said I hope I am too. Didn’t ask him anything else, I was too taken by surprise If we can get his head sorted and up for a fight, he can offer us something still Bullshit Could be true. Bojan is known to lurk in Ikea...
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Post by stokieben on Jul 1, 2018 15:51:14 GMT
Could be true. Bojan is known to lurk in Ikea... If only it was ikea, the temptation to cuddle him in a bed would have been too much. He was watching the Lion King in London, which by the way was incredible
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jul 1, 2018 15:58:29 GMT
We should of course hope that all of the players in the squad find their best form but remember Rowett is under pressure to deliver promotion maybe not this season but certainly within 2 years before the parachute money has tailed off .
I'm not sure any of them can turn it round if I'm honest but Rowett needs to assess them quickly or this could be a tough season , we only have a few weeks left to sort the squad out
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Post by marwood on Jul 1, 2018 16:08:16 GMT
Had a surreal moment last night and actually spoke to Bojan in a bathroom After fumbling about with my phone for a picture in said bathroom, I asked him about this season. He said pre-season was tough but different to what he was used to, (granted they are only three days in). Wished him luck for this season and said hope he’s part of the squad in getting us promoted this year. He smiled, nodded, and said I hope I am too. Didn’t ask him anything else, I was too taken by surprise If we can get his head sorted and up for a fight, he can offer us something still Great if true Not sure why people would doubt you met Bojan in a bathroom. If you had said I met him popping a wheelie on a Raleigh chopper on Lidl car park then yeah, I’d be a bit cynical. But a toilet why not. Let’s get the little bog lurker back and in red and white
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2018 17:37:10 GMT
Had a surreal moment last night and actually spoke to Bojan in a bathroom After fumbling about with my penis in said bathroom, I asked him about this season. He said pre-season was tough but different to what he was used to, (granted they are only three days in). Wished him luck for this season and said hope he’s part of the squad in getting us promoted this year. He smiled, nodded, and said I hope I am too. Didn’t ask him anything else, I was too taken by surprise If we can get his head sorted and up for a fight, he can offer us something still Believe you now
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 1, 2018 19:40:58 GMT
What quality, he's shown nothing in the last 2 years. They wrote a song for the likes of you in the 60s... Who reads yesterday's papers? Nobody in the world!
So there you have it. Only nobodies would care about "the last 2 years"!
The only thing that matters is what/whether he shows sufficient quality in the upcoming games.
Would you give Berahino another chance? Also if no one cares about a players past season how would you sign anyone, just point at random list and think yeh they'll do
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Post by biglad180 on Jul 1, 2018 19:54:37 GMT
I would welcome both bojan and imbula back in our squad if they want to stay and help us to try return to the premier league. it can only be good news for us. imbula etebo and allen would be a great midfield 3
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2018 20:19:34 GMT
I would welcome both bojan and imbula back in our squad if they want to stay and help us to try return to the premier league. it can only be good news for us. imbula etebo and allen would be a great midfield 3 with the discipline of a naughty school boy high on panda pops and sherbet sweets
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Post by adi on Jul 1, 2018 20:27:44 GMT
Had a surreal moment last night and actually spoke to Bojan in a bathroom After fumbling about with my phone for a picture in said bathroom, I asked him about this season. He said pre-season was tough but different to what he was used to, (granted they are only three days in). Wished him luck for this season and said hope he’s part of the squad in getting us promoted this year. He smiled, nodded, and said I hope I am too. Didn’t ask him anything else, I was too taken by surprise If we can get his head sorted and up for a fight, he can offer us something still Bullshit Thanks for clearing that up
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2018 22:23:25 GMT
They wrote a song for the likes of you in the 60s... Who reads yesterday's papers? Nobody in the world!
So there you have it. Only nobodies would care about "the last 2 years"!
The only thing that matters is what/whether he shows sufficient quality in the upcoming games.
Would you give Berahino another chance? Also if no one cares about a players past season how would you sign anyone, just point at random list and think yeh they'll do I would give Berahino one chance in pre season to judge whether his impressive speech to the new manager is honest or fake. I would give him a chance if only for the reason that we might sell him. As for signing new players you rely on your extensive scouting network. If reports are good, you take a second look yourself before signing. It will be the most recent games that decide whether you sign or not, not what he did or did not do ages ago, i.e. two years ago.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 1, 2018 23:59:47 GMT
Would you give Berahino another chance? Also if no one cares about a players past season how would you sign anyone, just point at random list and think yeh they'll do I would give Berahino one chance in pre season to judge whether his impressive speech to the new manager is honest or fake. I would give him a chance if only for the reason that we might sell him. As for signing new players you rely on your extensive scouting network. If reports are good, you take a second look yourself before signing. It will be the most recent games that decide whether you sign or not, not what he did or did not do ages ago, i.e. two years ago. So you're saying a good previous season has no baring on whether a club is interested in a player?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 2, 2018 12:11:06 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2018 12:13:31 GMT
Would be an admission from Bojan that his top flight career is pretty much over. Has he got the fight in him to try and force his way into Rowett's plans? I'm not convinced he has or whether he wants to which is a real shame.....
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