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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 2, 2018 12:19:06 GMT
Would be an admission from Bojan that his top flight career is pretty much over. Has he got the fight in him to try and force his way into Rowett's plans? I'm not convinced he has or whether he wants to which is a real shame..... He probably knows he's never going to really get going at an elite level anymore, so it'd be more of a lifestyle move for him, wouldn't it? Fair enough. He'd probably have to take a significant wage cut though. Wouldn't have thought they could get anywhere near the £3m-a-year we're supposedly paying him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2018 12:22:26 GMT
Would be an admission from Bojan that his top flight career is pretty much over. Has he got the fight in him to try and force his way into Rowett's plans? I'm not convinced he has or whether he wants to which is a real shame..... He probably knows he's never going to really get going at an elite level anymore, so it'd be more of a lifestyle move for him, wouldn't it? Fair enough. He'd probably have to take a significant wage cut though. Wouldn't have thought they could get anywhere near the £3m-a-year we're supposedly paying him. You'd be desperate for one last shot at it though wouldn't you surely even if it is the Championship? Maybe not in Bojan's case though, would certainly be a decent move from a personal point of view but it's a football graveyard there's no other way of dressing it up.....
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Post by Block 22 on Jul 2, 2018 12:26:14 GMT
Would be an admission from Bojan that his top flight career is pretty much over. Has he got the fight in him to try and force his way into Rowett's plans? I'm not convinced he has or whether he wants to which is a real shame..... He probably knows he's never going to really get going at an elite level anymore, so it'd be more of a lifestyle move for him, wouldn't it? Fair enough. He'd probably have to take a significant wage cut though. Wouldn't have thought they could get anywhere near the £3m-a-year we're supposedly paying him. Have to agree with prestwichpotter here, don’t think he’s got the mental determination to fight for a spot in our first team. Shame because there’s a quality player in there somewhere not sure he will ever get back to the levels we want/need. I’d be happy to let him go with our best wishes and be thankful for what he did here. Produced many special moments for us.
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Post by GoBoks on Jul 2, 2018 12:34:17 GMT
He probably knows he's never going to really get going at an elite level anymore, so it'd be more of a lifestyle move for him, wouldn't it? Fair enough. He'd probably have to take a significant wage cut though. Wouldn't have thought they could get anywhere near the £3m-a-year we're supposedly paying him. You'd be desperate for one last shot at it though wouldn't you surely even if it is the Championship? Maybe not in Bojan's case though, would certainly be a decent move from a personal point of view but it's a football graveyard there's no other way of dressing it up..... Remember, this is the guy who refused to accept a call-up to play for his country on the biggest stage. I'm afraid that he has made enough money to retire comfortably and play in a place where he would undoubtedly be a star. I don't think the generally accepted football superpowers opinion matters to him.
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Post by M on Jul 2, 2018 12:38:45 GMT
To be fair to Bojan he's had a dismal time in football the last three years, which is a huge chunk of his career. His name is still big enough he can get himself a handsome package over in the states so I wouldn't blame him for taking it. That said I read something of his a few weeks ago about how much he fell in love playing football again when he arrived here as it was something like being at a proper football club so this could be central to his thoughts if he's a wanted man.
It's all down to GR. If he shows a willingness to give the lad a chance I think he'll stay, if not he'll take the move and I only think GR will give him the pitch time if he fits tactically with what he wants to achieve which is where I think Bojan will come unstuck as I just don't expect us to line up like that. That said Wolves showed last season that you can play your way out of this division, so it's to be seen if GR has confidence he can get us doing that too.
If GR can get both Saido and Bojan in the right place mentally and physically so that we can see the best of both of them, we would walk this division and he'd be a phenomenal man manager. Hopefully he does. I'd love to see the little maestro back out there on our pitch.
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Post by JesusisaStokie on Jul 2, 2018 16:26:27 GMT
Amazing player but mentally weak, which is an issue in any English league
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 2, 2018 16:31:15 GMT
To be fair to Bojan he's had a dismal time in football the last three years, which is a huge chunk of his career. His name is still big enough he can get himself a handsome package over in the states so I wouldn't blame him for taking it. That said I read something of his a few weeks ago about how much he fell in love playing football again when he arrived here as it was something like being at a proper football club so this could be central to his thoughts if he's a wanted man. It's all down to GR. If he shows a willingness to give the lad a chance I think he'll stay, if not he'll take the move and I only think GR will give him the pitch time if he fits tactically with what he wants to achieve which is where I think Bojan will come unstuck as I just don't expect us to line up like that. That said Wolves showed last season that you can play your way out of this division, so it's to be seen if GR has confidence he can get us doing that too. If GR can get both Saido and Bojan in the right place mentally and physically so that we can see the best of both of them, we would walk this division and he'd be a phenomenal man manager. Hopefully he does. I'd love to see the little maestro back out there on our pitch. That's the sad thing - we've got some talented players but for one reason or another they haven't performed as individuals or slotted into the team. Interesting that Afobe made the same observation in his first week of training. Things look far better around the club now - not just Rowett but the whole backroom setup. Even if we just get one or two of our failed stars to re-ignite it could make the difference between just being one of the pack and being one of the leading players, Man management is going to be a massive factor in how we do this season.
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 2, 2018 16:51:08 GMT
To be fair to Bojan he's had a dismal time in football the last three years, which is a huge chunk of his career. His name is still big enough he can get himself a handsome package over in the states so I wouldn't blame him for taking it. That said I read something of his a few weeks ago about how much he fell in love playing football again when he arrived here as it was something like being at a proper football club so this could be central to his thoughts if he's a wanted man. It's all down to GR. If he shows a willingness to give the lad a chance I think he'll stay, if not he'll take the move and I only think GR will give him the pitch time if he fits tactically with what he wants to achieve which is where I think Bojan will come unstuck as I just don't expect us to line up like that. That said Wolves showed last season that you can play your way out of this division, so it's to be seen if GR has confidence he can get us doing that too. If GR can get both Saido and Bojan in the right place mentally and physically so that we can see the best of both of them, we would walk this division and he'd be a phenomenal man manager. Hopefully he does. I'd love to see the little maestro back out there on our pitch. That's the sad thing - we've got some talented players but for one reason or another they haven't performed as individuals or slotted into the team. Interesting that Afobe made the same observation in his first week of training. Things look far better around the club now - not just Rowett but the whole backroom setup. Even if we just get one or two of our failed stars to re-ignite it could make the difference between just being one of the pack and being one of the leading players, Man management is going to be a massive factor in how we do this season. Where has afobe said this?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2018 18:13:22 GMT
I would give Berahino one chance in pre season to judge whether his impressive speech to the new manager is honest or fake. I would give him a chance if only for the reason that we might sell him. As for signing new players you rely on your extensive scouting network. If reports are good, you take a second look yourself before signing. It will be the most recent games that decide whether you sign or not, not what he did or did not do ages ago, i.e. two years ago. So you're saying a good previous season has no baring on whether a club is interested in a player? No, that's what you are saying!
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Post by M on Jul 2, 2018 18:40:55 GMT
That's the sad thing - we've got some talented players but for one reason or another they haven't performed as individuals or slotted into the team. Interesting that Afobe made the same observation in his first week of training. Things look far better around the club now - not just Rowett but the whole backroom setup. Even if we just get one or two of our failed stars to re-ignite it could make the difference between just being one of the pack and being one of the leading players, Man management is going to be a massive factor in how we do this season. Where has afobe said this? I think he said something like us being in the championship not because of the quality we've got, just that for one reason or another (diplomatically we were shit) didn't make it happen, but we've got the quality to be there... I think that's what he could be alluding to... Agree with the sentiment that if these failed quality players find their way we could fly back up. Bojan, Saido,Imbula and Affelay. the four of them have hardly been near our eleven in the last two years for one reason or another. Any of them returning and firing are quality new signings. It's a big ask for GR to do it, but kudos to the man if he can...
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Post by nutterpotter on Jul 2, 2018 18:45:49 GMT
That's the sad thing - we've got some talented players but for one reason or another they haven't performed as individuals or slotted into the team. Interesting that Afobe made the same observation in his first week of training. Things look far better around the club now - not just Rowett but the whole backroom setup. Even if we just get one or two of our failed stars to re-ignite it could make the difference between just being one of the pack and being one of the leading players, Man management is going to be a massive factor in how we do this season. Where has afobe said this? Basically, he was surprised that we got relegated. Thinks there is a lot of quality in the squad. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-city-benik-afobe-transfer-1733509
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 2, 2018 18:47:00 GMT
So you're saying a good previous season has no baring on whether a club is interested in a player? No, that's what you are saying! I think we've got a bit mixed up here.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 2, 2018 18:47:34 GMT
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Post by Northy on Jul 2, 2018 19:27:59 GMT
Technical quality maybe, but quality of desire not at all.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2018 20:29:49 GMT
If we let him go we're beyond stupid.
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Post by tony1234 on Jul 2, 2018 20:47:57 GMT
But no half-decent striker under pensionable age. No pace. And until N'Diaye, a one man central midfield. All suicidal in the PL.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2018 13:54:54 GMT
No, that's what you are saying! I think we've got a bit mixed up here. You don't know who you are, eh!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2018 15:40:15 GMT
If we let him go we're beyond stupid. You'd shirley try and convince him at least to give it a go til January...
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Post by GoBoks on Jul 3, 2018 15:47:45 GMT
If we let him go we're beyond stupid. Personally, I think we'd be "beyond stupid" to hold on to him at all costs. If all the stars align and he makes a miraculous turnaround, absolutely keep him. But, if the more likely scenario of him just trundling along as he has for the past 2.5 years, get rid.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2018 13:08:39 GMT
If we let him go we're beyond stupid. Personally, I think we'd be "beyond stupid" to hold on to him at all costs. If all the stars align and he makes a miraculous turnaround, absolutely keep him. But, if the more likely scenario of him just trundling along as he has for the past 2.5 years, get rid. There's no gain by losing him. We wouldn't get a big fee and we'd have to pay at least some of his wages. He's worth persevering with.
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Post by GoBoks on Jul 6, 2018 2:33:41 GMT
Personally, I think we'd be "beyond stupid" to hold on to him at all costs. If all the stars align and he makes a miraculous turnaround, absolutely keep him. But, if the more likely scenario of him just trundling along as he has for the past 2.5 years, get rid. There's no gain by losing him. We wouldn't get a big fee and we'd have to pay at least some of his wages. He's worth persevering with. Only if he proves he is worth it on the field. I’d rather have to pay some of his wages rather than all of them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2018 20:05:23 GMT
“I think he’s adapted to some of our ideas already, he’s an intelligent player and his understanding of the game is obviously excellent.
“He’s not a natural wide player but in a 4-3-3 like we played at Walsall he can drift inside and cause problems, particularly with someone like Moritz Bauer bombing on and giving you natural width from full-back.
“And he’s a very, very good player. He’s a player we want to see if we can get back to what he’s been in the past, build that confidence. Then we will assess it as we go along, it’s the same with everyone.
“I’ve had a good conversation with Bojan and I said that we’ll both be really honest with each other. If he feels that he’s determined to contribute to what we’re doing next season, fantastic.
“If he feels that there’s an opportunity elsewhere and he’s interested in that, then we’ll sit down and have a discussion. He’s applied himself really, really well so far.”
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2018 20:08:54 GMT
“I think he’s adapted to some of our ideas already, he’s an intelligent player and his understanding of the game is obviously excellent. “He’s not a natural wide player but in a 4-3-3 like we played at Walsall he can drift inside and cause problems, particularly with someone like Moritz Bauer bombing on and giving you natural width from full-back. “And he’s a very, very good player. He’s a player we want to see if we can get back to what he’s been in the past, build that confidence. Then we will assess it as we go along, it’s the same with everyone. “I’ve had a good conversation with Bojan and I said that we’ll both be really honest with each other. If he feels that he’s determined to contribute to what we’re doing next season, fantastic. “If he feels that there’s an opportunity elsewhere and he’s interested in that, then we’ll sit down and have a discussion. He’s applied himself really, really well so far.” This excites me, I'm not sure if he has it in him to play in the Prem anymore, but he could boss the Championship potentially (or be out of his depth with the physicality, really no way of knowing till they've played a few games)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2018 20:10:13 GMT
In other words, no one can afford you so you are going to have to knuckle down here.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2018 20:12:19 GMT
In other words, no one can afford you so you are going to have to knuckle down here. To be honest I read it as "you're a good player, we'd like you to be a part of this but if you don't then we won't keep you against your will" ... "well, Bojan Mackey might"
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Post by Jimm on Jul 15, 2018 20:13:16 GMT
Buy in to what we're doing or if you can find someone to take you, we wont stop you going. Is the gist of it
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2018 21:07:33 GMT
Interesting that he seems to see him as a wide player that can drift inside and create space for Bauer.
Matt Ritchie does that.
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 15, 2018 21:39:59 GMT
I can see bojan on the right with Bauer on the overlap as a thing of beauty.
Bojan will be impossible to pick up.
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Jul 15, 2018 22:07:10 GMT
( or be out of his depth with the physicality, really no way of knowing till they've played a few games) Then this may actually be the best thing for him in order to up his game.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jul 15, 2018 22:08:24 GMT
You'd be desperate for one last shot at it though wouldn't you surely even if it is the Championship? Maybe not in Bojan's case though, would certainly be a decent move from a personal point of view but it's a football graveyard there's no other way of dressing it up..... Remember, this is the guy who refused to accept a call-up to play for his country on the biggest stage. I'm afraid that he has made enough money to retire comfortably and play in a place where he would undoubtedly be a star. I don't think the generally accepted football superpowers opinion matters to him. “Anxiety affects everyone differently. I spoke to someone who felt like their heart was beating 1,000 times a minute. With me, it was a dizziness, feeling sick, constant, 24 hours a day,” Bojan says, signalling his head. “There was a pressure here, powerful, never going away. I was fine when I went into the dressing room for the France game but I started to feel this powerful dizziness, overwhelmed, panicked, and they lay me on the physio’s bench. That was the first time but I had nasty episodes like that again. There’s medicine, psychological treatment to overcome the barriers you’ve erected, the fear. It started in February and it lasted until the summer. When the Euros came I decided I couldn’t go, that I had to isolate myself.
“Everyone at the federation knew: Luis Aragonés [the manager], Fernando Hierro [the sporting director]. Hierro sent me messages every week to ask how I was and the day before the squad was announced, they rang. ‘Bojan, we’re going to call you up.’ I was in the car, going to training. I said: ‘It hurts to say this but I can’t.’ I got to the Camp Nou and Carles Puyol was there. He said: ‘Bojan, I’ll be by your side all the way, I’ll be there for you.’ I said: ‘Puyi, I can’t.’ I’m on medication, I’m on the edge. And the next day I saw a headline: ‘Spain call up Bojan and Bojan says no.’
“That headline kills me, it’s as if I don’t care. I remember being in Murcia and people insulting me: they don’t know, they just think I don’t want to play. That was hard, although at that point I really didn’t care what people said. What hurt was that the headline presumably came from the Federation. How can you call me up when you speak to me the day before, know how I am, and then that comes out? I felt very alone. There are still people now who ask me: ‘Why didn’t you go?’”www.theguardian.com/football/2018/may/18/bojan-krkic-interview-anxiety-attacks-football
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