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Post by djduncanjames on Jun 10, 2018 18:01:49 GMT
The one thing is for sure I would think that the lads like him in the dressing room, more say than Imbula or Berahino. Little Boj seems like a good lad and a happy, positive person, albeit just struggles a bit with anxiety and stuff. He knows he is loved here and he might like being out of the spotlight in the Championship, and just focus on his football. He's one of the good guys IMO
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Post by djduncanjames on Jun 10, 2018 18:09:35 GMT
I think people remember the Wolves match and stuff like that over some great league performances. And seeing him muscled off the ball a few times.. Happens to Joe Allen all the time but he doesn't get the same stick at all I agree mate. I'm not saying that he wasn't utterly shit against Wolves (although he wasn't alone) and that something clearly went on between him and Hughes but it's this bollocks that the injury fucked him and that he was never any good post Rochdale and therefore can never be any good ever again, when in actual fact he played some of his best football for us after his injury. That's all. Hughes probably really hurt his feelings and wrecked his head even worse for that Wolves debacle. The half time talk must have destroyed the relationship totally. I would think Bojan wanted to stay on and try and wake up a bit Cest la Vie i guess. I'm not asking for a free ride for the kid, but it's obvious he has a delicate mental state and wouldn't like being screamed at in front of the team. They were all dreadful that day, he became a scapegoat IMO.. We were always shit in the cup under Hughes, that Blackburn match was a farce..Hull...Coventry...there must be more i am forgetting about That League Cup run seemed like a blip in retrospect
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Post by andystokey on Jun 10, 2018 18:27:43 GMT
I agree mate. I'm not saying that he wasn't utterly shit against Wolves (although he wasn't alone) and that something clearly went on between him and Hughes but it's this bollocks that the injury fucked him and that he was never any good post Rochdale and therefore can never be any good ever again, when in actual fact he played some of his best football for us after his injury. That's all. Hughes probably really hurt his feelings and wrecked his head even worse for that Wolves debacle. The half time talk must have destroyed the relationship totally. I would think Bojan wanted to stay on and try and wake up a bit Cest la Vie i guess. I'm not asking for a free ride for the kid, but it's obvious he has a delicate mental state and wouldn't like being screamed at in front of the team. They were all dreadful that day, he became a scapegoat IMO.. We were always shit in the cup under Hughes, that Blackburn match was a farce..Hull...Coventry...there must be more i am forgetting about That League Cup run seemed like a blip in retrospect in the run up and then the actual Wolves game something clearly snapped with Hughes. Bojan and Imbula given the hook never to be seen again really. Bojan has always been the sort of player that needed someone to have confidence in him. Those two seemed to get the dogs abuse that day for a woeful performance presided over by a manager we know now was in terminal decline.
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Post by numpty40 on Jun 10, 2018 18:30:16 GMT
Bojan had a shit game against Wolves 18 months ago as did every other Stoke player that day. But as Sheik say's earlier in this thread, Bojan's levels are measured far higher than any other Stoke player. He is a wonderful footballer and a joy to watch on song. I really couldn't give a flying fuck if Berahino was loaned to Vale or Imbula was pensioned off to a crocodile infested Island, but in my opinion Bojan could just be the bit of magic that could make a difference this season if the manager indulges him a bit.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2018 18:37:29 GMT
I think looking at things properly rather than just making random comments is fairer for Bojan. He WAS part of a team, an integral part, that saw us playing some excellent football in late 2015. The wins over Everton, Man Utd and particularly Man City are clear evidence of that. Bojan has always said, backed up by comments from Alan Shearer that he was playing on adrenalin after his injury. After the Liverpool Cup game he admitted he was knackered and needed a break. Despite that he made 27 appearances (starts) in the Premier League that season with a decent return of 7 goals. We all know that 2016 was the beginning of the Hughes meltdown. On to the 2016/2017 season and Hughes has really started to lose it. The 4 conceeded against the top 6 begins in earnest against Man City in the first home game of the season. However, Bojan scores in that game, a penalty, to make it 2-1. We then went for it, and conceded two late goals. The result not befitting the game, which will be remembered for the "holding at corners" penalties. Despite not having an awful game Bojan only started 5 games that season. Despite this he still scored 3 goals, should have been 4, but he struck the bar from the penalty spot against Bournemouth, a penalty he won. And that was that for Bojan.....he was poor against Wolves in the Cup....as were the whole team and we have never really seen him again. In fact he has only started 13 games since then. You can not judge how good a player is based in that. What we do know is he has a decent goal return in the Premier League when starting games. He has the ability to be a wonderful, wonderful player. Those who want to write him off need to have a look at the failings of Hughes rather than Bojan. There was a reason Arnie wanted out. Hughes. I anticipate Hughes is the reason Bojan went too.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2018 18:46:53 GMT
In fact in Jan 2017 we could have had a team of
Johnson Shawcross BMI Pieters --------Allen Imbula--------- Shaq-------Bojan--------Arnie ----------Berahino-----------
On paper a quick right back such as Trippier and it's a great team. Something went horribly wrong. I whole heartedly blame Hughes for that.
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Post by djduncanjames on Jun 10, 2018 18:51:17 GMT
I think looking at things properly rather than just making random comments is fairer for Bojan. He WAS part of a team, an integral part, that saw us playing some excellent football in late 2015. The wins over Everton, Man Utd and particularly Man City are clear evidence of that. Bojan has always said, backed up by comments from Alan Shearer that he was playing on adrenalin after his injury. After the Liverpool Cup game he admitted he was knackered and needed a break. Despite that he made 27 appearances (starts) in the Premier League that season with a decent return of 7 goals. We all know that 2016 was the beginning of the Hughes meltdown. On to the 2016/2017 season and Hughes has really started to lose it. The 4 conceeded against the top 6 begins in earnest against Man City in the first home game of the season. However, Bojan scores in that game, a penalty, to make it 2-1. We then went for it, and conceded two late goals. The result not befitting the game, which will be remembered for the "holding at corners" penalties. Despite not having an awful game Bojan only started 5 games that season. Despite this he still scored 3 goals, should have been 4, but he struck the bar from the penalty spot against Bournemouth, a penalty he won. And that was that for Bojan.....he was poor against Wolves in the Cup....as were the whole team and we have never really seen him again. In fact he has only started 13 games since then. You can not judge how good a player is based in that. What we do know is he has a decent goal return in the Premier League when starting games. He has the ability to be a wonderful, wonderful player. Those who want to write him off need to have a look at the failings of Hughes rather than Bojan. There was a reason Arnie wanted out. Hughes. I anticipate Hughes is the reason Bojan went too. Fantastic Post!
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Post by Boothen on Jun 10, 2018 19:00:36 GMT
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Post by djduncanjames on Jun 10, 2018 19:04:49 GMT
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 10, 2018 19:06:47 GMT
I think looking at things properly rather than just making random comments is fairer for Bojan. He WAS part of a team, an integral part, that saw us playing some excellent football in late 2015. The wins over Everton, Man Utd and particularly Man City are clear evidence of that. Bojan has always said, backed up by comments from Alan Shearer that he was playing on adrenalin after his injury. After the Liverpool Cup game he admitted he was knackered and needed a break. Despite that he made 27 appearances (starts) in the Premier League that season with a decent return of 7 goals. We all know that 2016 was the beginning of the Hughes meltdown. On to the 2016/2017 season and Hughes has really started to lose it. The 4 conceeded against the top 6 begins in earnest against Man City in the first home game of the season. However, Bojan scores in that game, a penalty, to make it 2-1. We then went for it, and conceded two late goals. The result not befitting the game, which will be remembered for the "holding at corners" penalties. Despite not having an awful game Bojan only started 5 games that season. Despite this he still scored 3 goals, should have been 4, but he struck the bar from the penalty spot against Bournemouth, a penalty he won. And that was that for Bojan.....he was poor against Wolves in the Cup....as were the whole team and we have never really seen him again. In fact he has only started 13 games since then. You can not judge how good a player is based in that. What we do know is he has a decent goal return in the Premier League when starting games. He has the ability to be a wonderful, wonderful player. Those who want to write him off need to have a look at the failings of Hughes rather than Bojan. There was a reason Arnie wanted out. Hughes. I anticipate Hughes is the reason Bojan went too. Arnie didn’t leave because of Hughes, he left because someone offered him an almighty sack of cash.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jun 10, 2018 19:13:17 GMT
I think looking at things properly rather than just making random comments is fairer for Bojan. He WAS part of a team, an integral part, that saw us playing some excellent football in late 2015. The wins over Everton, Man Utd and particularly Man City are clear evidence of that. Bojan has always said, backed up by comments from Alan Shearer that he was playing on adrenalin after his injury. After the Liverpool Cup game he admitted he was knackered and needed a break. Despite that he made 27 appearances (starts) in the Premier League that season with a decent return of 7 goals. We all know that 2016 was the beginning of the Hughes meltdown. On to the 2016/2017 season and Hughes has really started to lose it. The 4 conceeded against the top 6 begins in earnest against Man City in the first home game of the season. However, Bojan scores in that game, a penalty, to make it 2-1. We then went for it, and conceded two late goals. The result not befitting the game, which will be remembered for the "holding at corners" penalties. Despite not having an awful game Bojan only started 5 games that season. Despite this he still scored 3 goals, should have been 4, but he struck the bar from the penalty spot against Bournemouth, a penalty he won. And that was that for Bojan.....he was poor against Wolves in the Cup....as were the whole team and we have never really seen him again. In fact he has only started 13 games since then. You can not judge how good a player is based in that. What we do know is he has a decent goal return in the Premier League when starting games. He has the ability to be a wonderful, wonderful player. Those who want to write him off need to have a look at the failings of Hughes rather than Bojan. There was a reason Arnie wanted out. Hughes. I anticipate Hughes is the reason Bojan went too. Arnie didn’t leave because of Hughes, he left because someone offered him an almighty sack of cash. If Arnie hadn't been unsettled his smarmy brother would not have toted him to the Dildo Twins who would then never have dreamed of offering him a shitload of cash. Something unsettled him and given what occured last season it's not too much of a leap of faith to suspect it might have been Hughes.
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Post by djduncanjames on Jun 10, 2018 19:26:11 GMT
I think looking at things properly rather than just making random comments is fairer for Bojan. He WAS part of a team, an integral part, that saw us playing some excellent football in late 2015. The wins over Everton, Man Utd and particularly Man City are clear evidence of that. Bojan has always said, backed up by comments from Alan Shearer that he was playing on adrenalin after his injury. After the Liverpool Cup game he admitted he was knackered and needed a break. Despite that he made 27 appearances (starts) in the Premier League that season with a decent return of 7 goals. We all know that 2016 was the beginning of the Hughes meltdown. On to the 2016/2017 season and Hughes has really started to lose it. The 4 conceeded against the top 6 begins in earnest against Man City in the first home game of the season. However, Bojan scores in that game, a penalty, to make it 2-1. We then went for it, and conceded two late goals. The result not befitting the game, which will be remembered for the "holding at corners" penalties. Despite not having an awful game Bojan only started 5 games that season. Despite this he still scored 3 goals, should have been 4, but he struck the bar from the penalty spot against Bournemouth, a penalty he won. And that was that for Bojan.....he was poor against Wolves in the Cup....as were the whole team and we have never really seen him again. In fact he has only started 13 games since then. You can not judge how good a player is based in that. What we do know is he has a decent goal return in the Premier League when starting games. He has the ability to be a wonderful, wonderful player. Those who want to write him off need to have a look at the failings of Hughes rather than Bojan. There was a reason Arnie wanted out. Hughes. I anticipate Hughes is the reason Bojan went too. Arnie didn’t leave because of Hughes, he left because someone offered him an almighty sack of cash. I cant see that as being 100% the reason he left. If we were signing players and shown ambition I think he would have stayed on in all honesty. Something happened there for sure, why would his brother take a parting shot at PC
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Post by neddy on Jun 10, 2018 19:31:10 GMT
Arnie didn’t leave because of Hughes, he left because someone offered him an almighty sack of cash. I cant see that as being 100% the reason he left. If we were signing players and shown ambition I think he would have stayed on in all honesty. Something happened there for sure, why would his brother take a parting shot at PC I think he wanted £100k per week and I’m guessing we wouldn’t give it him? If we had in hindsight and he stayed we would probably have stayed up?
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Post by djduncanjames on Jun 10, 2018 19:31:34 GMT
Arnie didn’t leave because of Hughes, he left because someone offered him an almighty sack of cash. If Arnie hadn't been unsettled his smarmy brother would not have toted him to the Dildo Twins who would then never have dreamed of offering him a shitload of cash. Something unsettled him and given what occured last season it's not too much of a leap of faith to suspect it might have been Hughes. I agree totally and how unprofessional Hughes was towards him during that match shows something happened there.. By all accounts I read of Arnie, he was very dedicated pro, would train hard, stay late, and ask for advice from coaches if he had a poor match -- always looking to improve. He strikes me as the kind of lad who would look at Berahino turning up late and think WTF have i signed up for here? these guys don't care! Obviusly the gaffer doesnt either, and he want's to persist with this guy? I'm outta here, sod this... Its all speculation but as Gravy said its not a leap of faith is it
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Post by elystokie on Jun 10, 2018 19:50:47 GMT
I think looking at things properly rather than just making random comments is fairer for Bojan. He WAS part of a team, an integral part, that saw us playing some excellent football in late 2015. The wins over Everton, Man Utd and particularly Man City are clear evidence of that. Bojan has always said, backed up by comments from Alan Shearer that he was playing on adrenalin after his injury. After the Liverpool Cup game he admitted he was knackered and needed a break. Despite that he made 27 appearances (starts) in the Premier League that season with a decent return of 7 goals. We all know that 2016 was the beginning of the Hughes meltdown. On to the 2016/2017 season and Hughes has really started to lose it. The 4 conceeded against the top 6 begins in earnest against Man City in the first home game of the season. However, Bojan scores in that game, a penalty, to make it 2-1. We then went for it, and conceded two late goals. The result not befitting the game, which will be remembered for the "holding at corners" penalties. Despite not having an awful game Bojan only started 5 games that season. Despite this he still scored 3 goals, should have been 4, but he struck the bar from the penalty spot against Bournemouth, a penalty he won. And that was that for Bojan.....he was poor against Wolves in the Cup....as were the whole team and we have never really seen him again. In fact he has only started 13 games since then. You can not judge how good a player is based in that. What we do know is he has a decent goal return in the Premier League when starting games. He has the ability to be a wonderful, wonderful player. Those who want to write him off need to have a look at the failings of Hughes rather than Bojan. There was a reason Arnie wanted out. Hughes. I anticipate Hughes is the reason Bojan went too. Excellent post. If GR can get a tune out of him we'll have a hell of a season.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 10, 2018 20:10:13 GMT
Arnie didn’t leave because of Hughes, he left because someone offered him an almighty sack of cash. If Arnie hadn't been unsettled his smarmy brother would not have toted him to the Dildo Twins who would then never have dreamed of offering him a shitload of cash. Something unsettled him and given what occured last season it's not too much of a leap of faith to suspect it might have been Hughes. Yeah something unsettled him. The prospect of 100k a week. You really think an agent who sniffs our the prospect of a bumper payday for him his client isn’t going to mention it, even if his client is perfectly happy where he is?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 10, 2018 20:11:57 GMT
Arnie didn’t leave because of Hughes, he left because someone offered him an almighty sack of cash. I cant see that as being 100% the reason he left. If we were signing players and shown ambition I think he would have stayed on in all honesty. Something happened there for sure, why would his brother take a parting shot at PC The parting shot was a response to us expressing our disappointment at his behaviour. It was still July then, he had no idea who we would or wouldn’t be signing. He left purely for the money.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 10, 2018 20:13:23 GMT
If Arnie hadn't been unsettled his smarmy brother would not have toted him to the Dildo Twins who would then never have dreamed of offering him a shitload of cash. Something unsettled him and given what occured last season it's not too much of a leap of faith to suspect it might have been Hughes. I agree totally and how unprofessional Hughes was towards him during that match shows something happened there.. By all accounts I read of Arnie, he was very dedicated pro, would train hard, stay late, and ask for advice from coaches if he had a poor match -- always looking to improve. He strikes me as the kind of lad who would look at Berahino turning up late and think WTF have i signed up for here? these guys don't care! Obviusly the gaffer doesnt either, and he want's to persist with this guy? I'm outta here, sod this... Its all speculation but as Gravy said its not a leap of faith is it How was Hughes any more or less professional that day than Arnie?
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Post by thehoof on Jun 10, 2018 20:20:25 GMT
I think that in the Championship most teams will be fit and physically strong- a player who has that little bit of quality may quite often make the difference in a close match, even if for 80 minutes he has been on the periphery. I have lost count of the number of times MBD’ s continued selection was justified on the basis of his whole hearted approach, but at the end of the day, his conversion rate of 1 goal for every 15 chances was a reason for our relegation as much as Adam’s penalty miss or Jack’s failure to catch crosses. I firmly believe that Bojan would have scored at least 7 goals in a season, and that might have made the difference.
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Post by Absolution on Jun 10, 2018 20:23:38 GMT
When you listen to the comments of both Hughes and Coates when Arnie left, there appeared to be genuine shock and hurt over the way he’d done it. I think any ill-will between Hughes and Arnie started after the departure.
Arnie reacted to the fans goading him on his return. Hughes then reacted to Arnie goading the fans. Arnie then reacted to Hughes when he scored for West Ham against Southampton, and so a myth developed that the problem was between Arnie and Hughes.
That’s just my complete guesswork as to how that particular situation developed.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 10, 2018 20:30:41 GMT
When you listen to the comments of both Hughes and Coates when Annie left, there appeared to be genuine shock and hurt over the way he’d done it. I think any ill-will between Hughes and Arnie started after the departure. Arnie reacted to the fans goading him on his return. Hughes then reacted to Arnie goading the fans. Arnie then reacted to Hughes when he scored for West Ham against Southampton, and so a myth developed that the problem was between Arnie and Hughes. That’s just my complete guesswork as to how that particular situation developed. That’s exactly how I see it as well. There’s no reason we know of to think otherwise.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jun 10, 2018 20:31:12 GMT
If Arnie hadn't been unsettled his smarmy brother would not have toted him to the Dildo Twins who would then never have dreamed of offering him a shitload of cash. Something unsettled him and given what occured last season it's not too much of a leap of faith to suspect it might have been Hughes. Yeah something unsettled him. The prospect of 100k a week. You really think an agent who sniffs our the prospect of a bumper payday for him his client isn’t going to mention it, even if his client is perfectly happy where he is? Ah well you may be right. Non of us actually knows. It's all speculation. In reality David Icke might have told him to sign for the Shammers for all we know.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2018 21:32:48 GMT
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 10, 2018 21:38:25 GMT
I cant see that as being 100% the reason he left. If we were signing players and shown ambition I think he would have stayed on in all honesty. Something happened there for sure, why would his brother take a parting shot at PC The parting shot was a response to us expressing our disappointment at his behaviour. It was still July then, he had no idea who we would or wouldn’t be signing. He left purely for the money. Did he? You know that for sure do you? Perhaps he saw the shit show that was unfolding, apparently plenty did, and decided he wanted out. He spouted 'ambition' and the lack of it at Stoke City - he was 1 million percent bang on the money. Stoke fans can't handle it.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jun 10, 2018 21:41:07 GMT
Bojan had a shit game against Wolves 18 months ago as did every other Stoke player that day. But as Sheik say's earlier in this thread, Bojan's levels are measured far higher than any other Stoke player. He is a wonderful footballer and a joy to watch on song. I really couldn't give a flying fuck if Berahino was loaned to Vale or Imbula was pensioned off to a crocodile infested Island, but in my opinion Bojan could just be the bit of magic that could make a difference this season if the manager indulges him a bit. Didn't produce any magic for Mainz or Alaves though Numpty, he looks like a truly busted flush now.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jun 10, 2018 21:43:48 GMT
The parting shot was a response to us expressing our disappointment at his behaviour. It was still July then, he had no idea who we would or wouldn’t be signing. He left purely for the money. Did he? You know that for sure do you? Perhaps he saw the shit show that was unfolding, apparently plenty did, and decided he wanted out. He spouted 'ambition' and the lack of it at Stoke City - he was 1 million percent bang on the money. Stoke fans can't handle it. His citing of "ambition" might have held up more if he hadn't gone to WHU!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2018 21:57:07 GMT
Bojan had a shit game against Wolves 18 months ago as did every other Stoke player that day. But as Sheik say's earlier in this thread, Bojan's levels are measured far higher than any other Stoke player. He is a wonderful footballer and a joy to watch on song. I really couldn't give a flying fuck if Berahino was loaned to Vale or Imbula was pensioned off to a crocodile infested Island, but in my opinion Bojan could just be the bit of magic that could make a difference this season if the manager indulges him a bit. Didn't produce any magic for Mainz or Alaves though Numpty, he looks like a truly busted flush now. Dog shit teams in dog shit leagues where he only ever started 13 games.....was never going to pull up trees was he
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jun 10, 2018 22:01:45 GMT
Didn't produce any magic for Mainz or Alaves though Numpty, he looks like a truly busted flush now. Dog shit teams in dog shit leagues where he only ever started 13 games.....was never going to pull up trees was he Why not? He should have at least looked like the standout player in "dog shit teams" in a "dog shit league(s)", the games I saw him in he looked anonymous with little effect on the game.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 10, 2018 22:24:21 GMT
The parting shot was a response to us expressing our disappointment at his behaviour. It was still July then, he had no idea who we would or wouldn’t be signing. He left purely for the money. Did he? You know that for sure do you? Perhaps he saw the shit show that was unfolding, apparently plenty did, and decided he wanted out. He spouted 'ambition' and the lack of it at Stoke City - he was 1 million percent bang on the money. Stoke fans can't handle it. So ambitious he went to a marginally better side who finished a whole point and two places above us. Give over.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 10, 2018 22:25:25 GMT
Didn't produce any magic for Mainz or Alaves though Numpty, he looks like a truly busted flush now. Dog shit teams in dog shit leagues where he only ever started 13 games.....was never going to pull up trees was he Erm, why sorry? Other players manage it?
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