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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2018 22:28:21 GMT
Remember, this is the guy who refused to accept a call-up to play for his country on the biggest stage. I'm afraid that he has made enough money to retire comfortably and play in a place where he would undoubtedly be a star. I don't think the generally accepted football superpowers opinion matters to him. “Anxiety affects everyone differently. I spoke to someone who felt like their heart was beating 1,000 times a minute. With me, it was a dizziness, feeling sick, constant, 24 hours a day,” Bojan says, signalling his head. “There was a pressure here, powerful, never going away. I was fine when I went into the dressing room for the France game but I started to feel this powerful dizziness, overwhelmed, panicked, and they lay me on the physio’s bench. That was the first time but I had nasty episodes like that again. There’s medicine, psychological treatment to overcome the barriers you’ve erected, the fear. It started in February and it lasted until the summer. When the Euros came I decided I couldn’t go, that I had to isolate myself.
“Everyone at the federation knew: Luis Aragonés [the manager], Fernando Hierro [the sporting director]. Hierro sent me messages every week to ask how I was and the day before the squad was announced, they rang. ‘Bojan, we’re going to call you up.’ I was in the car, going to training. I said: ‘It hurts to say this but I can’t.’ I got to the Camp Nou and Carles Puyol was there. He said: ‘Bojan, I’ll be by your side all the way, I’ll be there for you.’ I said: ‘Puyi, I can’t.’ I’m on medication, I’m on the edge. And the next day I saw a headline: ‘Spain call up Bojan and Bojan says no.’
“That headline kills me, it’s as if I don’t care. I remember being in Murcia and people insulting me: they don’t know, they just think I don’t want to play. That was hard, although at that point I really didn’t care what people said. What hurt was that the headline presumably came from the Federation. How can you call me up when you speak to me the day before, know how I am, and then that comes out? I felt very alone. There are still people now who ask me: ‘Why didn’t you go?’”www.theguardian.com/football/2018/may/18/bojan-krkic-interview-anxiety-attacks-footballWhether he's fit or he ever players another minute for us I fucking love the bloke, just a lovely lovely guy. Feel so sorry for him considering what he's been through and i hope he manages to enjoy football again, I sincerely hope it's at Stoke.
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Post by GoBoks on Jul 15, 2018 22:35:15 GMT
Remember, this is the guy who refused to accept a call-up to play for his country on the biggest stage. I'm afraid that he has made enough money to retire comfortably and play in a place where he would undoubtedly be a star. I don't think the generally accepted football superpowers opinion matters to him. “Anxiety affects everyone differently. I spoke to someone who felt like their heart was beating 1,000 times a minute. With me, it was a dizziness, feeling sick, constant, 24 hours a day,” Bojan says, signalling his head. “There was a pressure here, powerful, never going away. I was fine when I went into the dressing room for the France game but I started to feel this powerful dizziness, overwhelmed, panicked, and they lay me on the physio’s bench. That was the first time but I had nasty episodes like that again. There’s medicine, psychological treatment to overcome the barriers you’ve erected, the fear. It started in February and it lasted until the summer. When the Euros came I decided I couldn’t go, that I had to isolate myself.
“Everyone at the federation knew: Luis Aragonés [the manager], Fernando Hierro [the sporting director]. Hierro sent me messages every week to ask how I was and the day before the squad was announced, they rang. ‘Bojan, we’re going to call you up.’ I was in the car, going to training. I said: ‘It hurts to say this but I can’t.’ I got to the Camp Nou and Carles Puyol was there. He said: ‘Bojan, I’ll be by your side all the way, I’ll be there for you.’ I said: ‘Puyi, I can’t.’ I’m on medication, I’m on the edge. And the next day I saw a headline: ‘Spain call up Bojan and Bojan says no.’
“That headline kills me, it’s as if I don’t care. I remember being in Murcia and people insulting me: they don’t know, they just think I don’t want to play. That was hard, although at that point I really didn’t care what people said. What hurt was that the headline presumably came from the Federation. How can you call me up when you speak to me the day before, know how I am, and then that comes out? I felt very alone. There are still people now who ask me: ‘Why didn’t you go?’”www.theguardian.com/football/2018/may/18/bojan-krkic-interview-anxiety-attacks-footballYep that's the one. He also referred to anxiety attacks in the last 18 months. My point being, for someone who suffers performance anxiety attacks, a nice payday in a league with lower standards could seem very attractive as opposed to having to "step up" and "one last shot to prove himself". I truly hope Bojan (& Imbula) do stay, enjoy their season and reignite their careers. That would be fantastic!
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Post by GoBoks on Jul 15, 2018 22:37:56 GMT
So you're saying a good previous season has no baring on whether a club is interested in a player? No, that's what you are saying! On your comments about Berahino ("one chance during preseason), after Saturday's showing, what's the verdict?
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 16, 2018 9:40:07 GMT
Playing Bojan wide in the championship is a ridiculous idea. It's been tried before and was a disaster.
You'd think Rowett would know better.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jul 16, 2018 10:04:38 GMT
He wouldn't necessarily 'know' though would he? However, I agree with you. Behind Afobe or nowhere at all.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 16, 2018 10:14:31 GMT
Interesting that he seems to see him as a wide player that can drift inside and create space for Bauer. Matt Ritchie does that. Does he see him as a wide player though? We played 433 at Walsall because we haven't yet got the specialist wide players to play any other formation. If we sign 2 (or 3?) wide players this summer (as we appear to be trying to do) presumably the formation will change to either 4231 or 442 or something similar - which would leave Bojan in the number 10 or second striker role - he certainly wouldn't be challenging any of the specialist wide players for their job.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jul 16, 2018 10:21:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 12:40:08 GMT
No, that's what you are saying! On your comments about Berahino ("one chance during preseason), after Saturday's showing, what's the verdict? I didnt watch it, so I'll leave the verdict to the manager!
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Post by scfc5 on Jul 16, 2018 13:04:50 GMT
Playing Bojan wide in the championship is a ridiculous idea. It's been tried before and was a disaster. You'd think Rowett would know better. He played Afobe on the other side, didn’t he? Not likely to be his position for the season either I guess. As someone else has said, more likely the lack of wingers at the moment.
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Post by dastokie on Jul 16, 2018 14:08:41 GMT
True talent will always prevail.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jul 16, 2018 14:59:02 GMT
“Anxiety affects everyone differently. I spoke to someone who felt like their heart was beating 1,000 times a minute. With me, it was a dizziness, feeling sick, constant, 24 hours a day,” Bojan says, signalling his head. “There was a pressure here, powerful, never going away. I was fine when I went into the dressing room for the France game but I started to feel this powerful dizziness, overwhelmed, panicked, and they lay me on the physio’s bench. That was the first time but I had nasty episodes like that again. There’s medicine, psychological treatment to overcome the barriers you’ve erected, the fear. It started in February and it lasted until the summer. When the Euros came I decided I couldn’t go, that I had to isolate myself.
“Everyone at the federation knew: Luis Aragonés [the manager], Fernando Hierro [the sporting director]. Hierro sent me messages every week to ask how I was and the day before the squad was announced, they rang. ‘Bojan, we’re going to call you up.’ I was in the car, going to training. I said: ‘It hurts to say this but I can’t.’ I got to the Camp Nou and Carles Puyol was there. He said: ‘Bojan, I’ll be by your side all the way, I’ll be there for you.’ I said: ‘Puyi, I can’t.’ I’m on medication, I’m on the edge. And the next day I saw a headline: ‘Spain call up Bojan and Bojan says no.’
“That headline kills me, it’s as if I don’t care. I remember being in Murcia and people insulting me: they don’t know, they just think I don’t want to play. That was hard, although at that point I really didn’t care what people said. What hurt was that the headline presumably came from the Federation. How can you call me up when you speak to me the day before, know how I am, and then that comes out? I felt very alone. There are still people now who ask me: ‘Why didn’t you go?’”www.theguardian.com/football/2018/may/18/bojan-krkic-interview-anxiety-attacks-football Yep that's the one. He also referred to anxiety attacks in the last 18 months. My point being, for someone who suffers performance anxiety attacks, a nice payday in a league with lower standards could seem very attractive as opposed to having to "step up" and "one last shot to prove himself". I truly hope Bojan (& Imbula) do stay, enjoy their season and reignite their careers. That would be fantastic! The reason I posted that was I didn't think it was fair to say "Remember, this is the guy who refused to accept a call-up to play for his country on the biggest stage." - that's one of the points he makes in the interview. I don't recall him mentioning anxiety attacks in the past 18 months - in fact, the interview says he's overcome it. I agree it'd be fantastic to see his career reignited - there isn't another player I want it to happen more to.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 15:07:52 GMT
Yep that's the one. He also referred to anxiety attacks in the last 18 months. My point being, for someone who suffers performance anxiety attacks, a nice payday in a league with lower standards could seem very attractive as opposed to having to "step up" and "one last shot to prove himself". I truly hope Bojan (& Imbula) do stay, enjoy their season and reignite their careers. That would be fantastic! The reason I posted that was I didn't think it was fair to say "Remember, this is the guy who refused to accept a call-up to play for his country on the biggest stage." - that's one of the points he makes in the interview. I don't recall him mentioning anxiety attacks in the past 18 months - in fact, the interview says he's overcome it. I agree it'd be fantastic to see his career reignited - there isn't another player I want it to happen more to. The Guardian article was published this year but it refers to events/emotions from circa 2009. So the "18 months" would be around that period
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Post by biglad180 on Jul 16, 2018 15:49:55 GMT
time to get behind bojan he will light the championship up no problem he is good for 15 goals next season.he could save us a lot of money same goes for imbula. there are not any team in the championship with the quality these two players have. just get behind them. fair enough if someone comes in with a decent offer and they want out that's ok if it suits both partys but till that day they are our players. and can play a big part next season
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 16, 2018 15:52:25 GMT
The reason I posted that was I didn't think it was fair to say "Remember, this is the guy who refused to accept a call-up to play for his country on the biggest stage." - that's one of the points he makes in the interview. I don't recall him mentioning anxiety attacks in the past 18 months - in fact, the interview says he's overcome it. I agree it'd be fantastic to see his career reignited - there isn't another player I want it to happen more to. The Guardian article was published this year but it refers to events/emotions from circa 2009. So the "18 months" would be around that period Anxiety attacks don't just disappear over night, it's something that'll be with him all his life in some form or another.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 15:56:46 GMT
The Guardian article was published this year but it refers to events/emotions from circa 2009. So the "18 months" would be around that period Anxiety attacks don't just disappear over night, it's something that'll be with him all his life in some form or another. Congratulations on your Psychotherapy degree. University of Life wan't it?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 16, 2018 16:05:37 GMT
Playing Bojan wide in the championship is a ridiculous idea. It's been tried before and was a disaster. You'd think Rowett would know better. Tried at every club he's been to I think, before us anyway, totally pointless.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 16, 2018 16:09:26 GMT
I've witnessed Mama Sidibe play on the left wing in a friendly defeat at Tranmere once upon a time also, doesn't mean much... Unless he continues to use him that way, of course.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 16, 2018 16:18:23 GMT
Anxiety attacks don't just disappear over night, it's something that'll be with him all his life in some form or another. Congratulations on your Psychotherapy degree. University of Life wan't it? Personal experience, stop being a dick.
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 16, 2018 16:35:03 GMT
True talent will always prevail. If that was the case he wouldn’t be at Stoke.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 18:06:54 GMT
The Guardian article was published this year but it refers to events/emotions from circa 2009. So the "18 months" would be around that period Anxiety attacks don't just disappear over night, it's something that'll be with him all his life in some form or another. But he has, as far as we know/according to him, improved. But yeah they could hit him when he least expects it. And they probably did during his Stoke days whether small or smaller, and he probably thought his manager would be supportive, but he (Hughes) wasn't. But we'll never know the exact details of why Bojan went from being Hughes' "adopted son" to an outcast.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 12:24:21 GMT
Playing Bojan wide in the championship is a ridiculous idea. It's been tried before and was a disaster. You'd think Rowett would know better. That is about the most stupid thing I have ever read on the oatcake. Bojan has never played in the championship before, wide or otherwise, so it has never been tried before let alone been a disaster! At any rate Rowett does not plan to play Bojan as an out and out wide man/winger. It's just the starting position, as it has been for many another attacking midfielder, such as Zidane, Laudrup, Hazard, Neymar et al. Players that exert their influence from all over the pitch. Even Messi started on the left when he first got into the Barca team.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 17, 2018 12:29:14 GMT
Playing Bojan wide in the championship is a ridiculous idea. It's been tried before and was a disaster. You'd think Rowett would know better. That is about the most stupid thing I have ever read on the oatcake. Bojan has never played in the championship before, wide or otherwise, so it has never been tried before let alone been a disaster! At any rate Rowett does not plan to play Bojan as an out and out wide man/winger. It's just the starting position, as it has been for many another attacking midfielder, such as Zidane, Laudrup, Hazard, Neymar et al. Players that exert their influence from all over the pitch. Even Messi started on the left when he first got into the Barca team. But Messi doesn’t play there now and Bojan isn’t only just starting with us, so what’s your point? And if you’re suggesting whoever plays wide right is going to have a free role to roam wherever he fancies, that really doesn’t tally with Rowett’s managerial style to date.
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Post by mickmacc on Jul 17, 2018 12:33:34 GMT
He used to look like an Under 9 player in the Prem.Too small, too lightweight, too slow. He got bullied in the Prem. anyone who thinks he’ll handle the Championship really hasn’t got a clue. Nice kid and I wish him well but small Spanish club is where he belongs
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Post by GoBoks on Jul 17, 2018 12:43:42 GMT
Yep that's the one. He also referred to anxiety attacks in the last 18 months. My point being, for someone who suffers performance anxiety attacks, a nice payday in a league with lower standards could seem very attractive as opposed to having to "step up" and "one last shot to prove himself". I truly hope Bojan (& Imbula) do stay, enjoy their season and reignite their careers. That would be fantastic! The reason I posted that was I didn't think it was fair to say "Remember, this is the guy who refused to accept a call-up to play for his country on the biggest stage." - that's one of the points he makes in the interview. I don't recall him mentioning anxiety attacks in the past 18 months - in fact, the interview says he's overcome it. I agree it'd be fantastic to see his career reignited - there isn't another player I want it to happen more to. Posted link to interview for ease of reference. Bojan InterviewAt the end of the day it’s all in your own interpretation. To me there are several cues that do not refer to just one part of his career. I believe he is a sensitive person and that the pressure to perform still gets to him. Regardless, I hope he does not leave and returns to something resembling his best.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 14:57:53 GMT
That is about the most stupid thing I have ever read on the oatcake. Bojan has never played in the championship before, wide or otherwise, so it has never been tried before let alone been a disaster! At any rate Rowett does not plan to play Bojan as an out and out wide man/winger. It's just the starting position, as it has been for many another attacking midfielder, such as Zidane, Laudrup, Hazard, Neymar et al. Players that exert their influence from all over the pitch. Even Messi started on the left when he first got into the Barca team. But Messi doesn’t play there now and Bojan isn’t only just starting with us, so what’s your point? And if you’re suggesting whoever plays wide right is going to have a free role to roam wherever he fancies, that really doesn’t tally with Rowett’s managerial style to date. Not a free role wherever Bojan fancies, but an important playmaking part when and where Rowett fancies. Bojan played a different position when he joined, most times as a false nine, sometimes a ten behind the main striker, a few times as an 8 further down which never really worked. You've been claiming all summer that Rowett only uses 442. Obviously you've failed to study reports on the selections Rowett has made so far, in which Bojan has had a promising role, according to those reports.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 17, 2018 15:37:33 GMT
But Messi doesn’t play there now and Bojan isn’t only just starting with us, so what’s your point? And if you’re suggesting whoever plays wide right is going to have a free role to roam wherever he fancies, that really doesn’t tally with Rowett’s managerial style to date. Not a free role wherever Bojan fancies, but an important playmaking part when and where Rowett fancies. Bojan played a different position when he joined, most times as a false nine, sometimes a ten behind the main striker, a few times as an 8 further down which never really worked. You've been claiming all summer that Rowett only uses 442. Obviously you've failed to study reports on the selections Rowett has made so far, in which Bojan has had a promising role, according to those reports. 1) I haven't been claiming that he 'only' uses 442 as he clearly didn't do that at Derby last season. I suggested given the Etebo signing and the players we were being linked to that that might well be the case and that may indeed still turn out to be the case. 2) Bojan played wide right in a 4-3-3 at Walsall. Don't know if I 'studied' that but I was at the game. He did well but I don't see him playing there regularly under Rowett. Or anywhere, if I'm honest. If Rowett is going with a 4-2-3-1 I'd be up for giving him a go in the no 10 role, which remains his best position for us.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jul 17, 2018 16:06:03 GMT
He used to look like an Under 9 player in the Prem.Too small, too lightweight, too slow. He got bullied in the Prem. anyone who thinks he’ll handle the Championship really hasn’t got a clue. Nice kid and I wish him well but small Spanish club is where he belongs What about the games where he was exceptional for us and didn't seem to have a problem with playing in the Premiership? The Championship isn't a bloody pub league you know.
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Post by mickmacc on Jul 17, 2018 16:59:26 GMT
Lovely little ball player. Too small and too fragile for Prem and Championship. Shame but it’s a tough league.
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Post by bobby1eye on Jul 17, 2018 17:08:21 GMT
“Anxiety affects everyone differently. I spoke to someone who felt like their heart was beating 1,000 times a minute. With me, it was a dizziness, feeling sick, constant, 24 hours a day,” Bojan says, signalling his head. “There was a pressure here, powerful, never going away. I was fine when I went into the dressing room for the France game but I started to feel this powerful dizziness, overwhelmed, panicked, and they lay me on the physio’s bench. That was the first time but I had nasty episodes like that again. There’s medicine, psychological treatment to overcome the barriers you’ve erected, the fear. It started in February and it lasted until the summer. When the Euros came I decided I couldn’t go, that I had to isolate myself.
“Everyone at the federation knew: Luis Aragonés [the manager], Fernando Hierro [the sporting director]. Hierro sent me messages every week to ask how I was and the day before the squad was announced, they rang. ‘Bojan, we’re going to call you up.’ I was in the car, going to training. I said: ‘It hurts to say this but I can’t.’ I got to the Camp Nou and Carles Puyol was there. He said: ‘Bojan, I’ll be by your side all the way, I’ll be there for you.’ I said: ‘Puyi, I can’t.’ I’m on medication, I’m on the edge. And the next day I saw a headline: ‘Spain call up Bojan and Bojan says no.’
“That headline kills me, it’s as if I don’t care. I remember being in Murcia and people insulting me: they don’t know, they just think I don’t want to play. That was hard, although at that point I really didn’t care what people said. What hurt was that the headline presumably came from the Federation. How can you call me up when you speak to me the day before, know how I am, and then that comes out? I felt very alone. There are still people now who ask me: ‘Why didn’t you go?’”www.theguardian.com/football/2018/may/18/bojan-krkic-interview-anxiety-attacks-football Whether he's fit or he ever players another minute for us I fucking love the bloke, just a lovely lovely guy. Feel so sorry for him considering what he's been through and i hope he manages to enjoy football again, I sincerely hope it's at Stoke. If he hadn't had such a bad injury he would been one of our greatest players.he just was never the same after,saying that,if he carried on playing like he did before one of the top 4 would have come knocking. That injury might have been a blessing in disguise because we've still got him (hopefully) and he'll rip this league a new un if he's up for it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2018 19:18:09 GMT
Not a free role wherever Bojan fancies, but an important playmaking part when and where Rowett fancies. Bojan played a different position when he joined, most times as a false nine, sometimes a ten behind the main striker, a few times as an 8 further down which never really worked. You've been claiming all summer that Rowett only uses 442. Obviously you've failed to study reports on the selections Rowett has made so far, in which Bojan has had a promising role, according to those reports. 1) I haven't been claiming that he 'only' uses 442 as he clearly didn't do that at Derby last season. I suggested given the Etebo signing and the players we were being linked to that that might well be the case and that may indeed still turn out to be the case. 2) Bojan played wide right in a 4-3-3 at Walsall. Don't know if I 'studied' that but I was at the game. He did well but I don't see him playing there regularly under Rowett. Or anywhere, if I'm honest. If Rowett is going with a 4-2-3-1 I'd be up for giving him a go in the no 10 role, which remains his best position for us. Then what exactly is your problem? Bojan "did well", he scored the other day, and yet you simply do not want him to play for Stoke.
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