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Post by silverdollar on Jun 8, 2018 12:43:39 GMT
This is a typical example of the worst kind of poster on this site. I just wonder where he gets his actual information from and yet they regularly spread their nonsense around the forum. Yes there have been problems with this transfer but I will not come onto the oatcake and write things about a player that have been generated from misinformed gossip amongst angry fans. We have just employed a young ambitious manager who has the ability to assess whether Berahino can get back involved and if he can show the required attitude. You cannot blame Berahino for the contract he has been given. Yes, so far it has been a disaster for reasons I am not privy to and I certainly do not believe everything I read in the paper and certainly what comes out of Tony Pulis's mouth. We have a great challenge ahead of us and I am willing to give every player on contract a fresh start to show their commitment. I am sure that Rowett will bring in good players to set the level required to transform the dressing room. ...... do you genuinely believe anyone thinks that's how the conversation went? I think you need to lighten up and stop taking everything so seriously. For the record, I'd give him another chance if GR thinks he's worth trying but he can't complain if not. No need to post it at all then is there!
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Post by senojbor on Jun 8, 2018 12:43:47 GMT
This is a typical example of the worst kind of poster on this site. I just wonder where he gets his actual information from and yet they regularly spread their nonsense around the forum. Yes there have been problems with this transfer but I will not come onto the oatcake and write things about a player that have been generated from misinformed gossip amongst angry fans. We have just employed a young ambitious manager who has the ability to assess whether Berahino can get back involved and if he can show the required attitude. You cannot blame Berahino for the contract he has been given. Yes, so far it has been a disaster for reasons I am not privy to and I certainly do not believe everything I read in the paper and certainly what comes out of Tony Pulis's mouth. We have a great challenge ahead of us and I am willing to give every player on contract a fresh start to show their commitment. I am sure that Rowett will bring in good players to set the level required to transform the dressing room. So I take it you don’t believe the FA for the drugs charge or the fact that he has been employed by SCFC for 18 months, served under two different managers and let all down whilst drawing a wage that you could only dream of and he played (well not) a significant part in our relegation. OKBy the way I can’t remember Pulis ever publicly saying anything degrogative about Berahino. He actually said 'He's your problem now' He was right and we bought a problem player. However I cannot understand why a proven 20 goals a season in the PL can't or wont rediscover his best form. It's vital GR gets it right. It's vital that SB gets it right too.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 12:46:39 GMT
I will accept rowett’s decision on him
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Post by ancientowl on Jun 8, 2018 12:50:27 GMT
Yes, i’d give him a run of starts 8/9 games to assess him properly, which he’s never had here, hopefully he’ll score goals and finally prove his worth I would do this too if Berahino can convince the manager on his attitude, work ethic, fitness, training etc. I think he's been dealt a pretty shit hand in a toxic atmosphere both at WBA and then for 18 months with us and he's behaved like an absolute twat! but IF he could show real commitment to the club, tow the line and turn it round ......... under the new manager etc etc. couldn't agree more mate
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Post by silverdollar on Jun 8, 2018 12:54:20 GMT
This is a typical example of the worst kind of poster on this site. I just wonder where he gets his actual information from and yet they regularly spread their nonsense around the forum. Yes there have been problems with this transfer but I will not come onto the oatcake and write things about a player that have been generated from misinformed gossip amongst angry fans. We have just employed a young ambitious manager who has the ability to assess whether Berahino can get back involved and if he can show the required attitude. You cannot blame Berahino for the contract he has been given. Yes, so far it has been a disaster for reasons I am not privy to and I certainly do not believe everything I read in the paper and certainly what comes out of Tony Pulis's mouth. We have a great challenge ahead of us and I am willing to give every player on contract a fresh start to show their commitment. I am sure that Rowett will bring in good players to set the level required to transform the dressing room. So I take it you don’t believe the FA for the drugs charge or the fact that he has been employed by SCFC for 18 months, served under two different managers and let all down whilst drawing a wage that you could only dream of and he played (well not) a significant part in our relegation. OKBy the way I can’t remember Pulis ever publicly saying anything degrogative about Berahino. Berahino was a silly young man for trying weed. He was a young player and he paid his penalty! He no longer takes drugs! Get over it! He shares some blame for the relegation but only the same as the majority of players along with Management and the Board! Even Hughes was quoted as saying Berahino would not be ready until this coming season. It seems to me that a lot of angst and blame has been directed at Berahino that will not resurrect this man's career. New manager let him decide! No need to keep reading the same old uninformed rubbish.
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Post by robrigo on Jun 8, 2018 13:44:41 GMT
He has had his chance and his complete lack of contribution since he has joined is one of the factors we will be playing the Rotherham’s of this world next season.
He has contacted Rowett and said the right things but he has said the right things since he joined us. His actions contradict himself.
Still it’s up to the new manager. Personally I don’t think Rowett suffers fools so we shall see if Berahino and his words transfer to matters on the pitch.
It’s a no for Berahino from me but I’m not the gaffer.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jun 8, 2018 13:45:48 GMT
Would you give Berahino another chance next season or will it be thanks and fook off if you were Rowett? No, I wouldn't. But I don't think we will have any other choice! Who is, realistically, going to buy him and meet his wage demands? We either leave him in the reserves and take the hit on his wages, or we throw him back into the mix in the hope that he will find some kind a form.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jun 8, 2018 14:03:01 GMT
So I take it you don’t believe the FA for the drugs charge or the fact that he has been employed by SCFC for 18 months, served under two different managers and let all down whilst drawing a wage that you could only dream of and he played (well not) a significant part in our relegation. OKBy the way I can’t remember Pulis ever publicly saying anything degrogative about Berahino. Berahino was a silly young man for trying weed. He was a young player and he paid his penalty! He no longer takes drugs! Get over it! He shares some blame for the relegation but only the same as the majority of players along with Management and the Board! Even Hughes was quoted as saying Berahino would not be ready until this coming season. It seems to me that a lot of angst and blame has been directed at Berahino that will not resurrect this man's career. New manager let him decide! No need to keep reading the same old uninformed rubbish. Ask the silly young man to waiver his salary for the next 18 months to prove he’s recognised that he owes his employers and stakeholders for a continued lack of respect and professionalism and that he’s on a personal mission to resurrect his career. I wonder what what the answer would be
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Post by ramin on Jun 8, 2018 14:06:06 GMT
We risked our entire season to give him another chance instead of buying another striker and got relegated. I think we can't afford doing the same mistake again. He's not an out of form footballer, He's a bad apple.
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Post by flinteastwood on Jun 8, 2018 14:14:23 GMT
I hope he takes this clean slate from Gaz and really changes what ever problems he's got but he was given a clean slate when we bought him.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 8, 2018 14:19:13 GMT
We risked our entire season to give him another chance instead of buying another striker and got relegated. I think we can't afford doing the same mistake again. He's not an out of form footballer, He's a bad apple. Exactly. If Berahino hadn't have been at the club, we'd have brought another striker in and given ourselves a chance of survival but the board gambled on Berahino coming good but he didn't and ultimately the club have paid the price in the most spectacular fashion. Now they need to get back at the first attempt and they're not going to jeopardise that opportunity by making the same mistake again.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jun 8, 2018 14:35:35 GMT
So what do we do with him Paul? Is it better to send him on loan if someone will have him? If so, and it's a Championship club, at least we get to see what he can do at that level, but God knows who would take him.
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Post by silverdollar on Jun 8, 2018 14:42:56 GMT
This is a typical example of the worst kind of poster on this site. I just wonder where he gets his actual information from and yet they regularly spread their nonsense around the forum. Yes there have been problems with this transfer but I will not come onto the oatcake and write things about a player that have been generated from misinformed gossip amongst angry fans. We have just employed a young ambitious manager who has the ability to assess whether Berahino can get back involved and if he can show the required attitude. You cannot blame Berahino for the contract he has been given. Yes, so far it has been a disaster for reasons I am not privy to and I certainly do not believe everything I read in the paper and certainly what comes out of Tony Pulis's mouth. We have a great challenge ahead of us and I am willing to give every player on contract a fresh start to show their commitment. I am sure that Rowett will bring in good players to set the level required to transform the dressing room. So I take it you don’t believe the FA for the drugs charge or the fact that he has been employed by SCFC for 18 months, served under two different managers and let all down whilst drawing a wage that you could only dream of and he played (well not) a significant part in our relegation. OKBy the way I can’t remember Pulis ever publicly saying anything degrogative about Berahino. I did not say he had! All I said was that I did not believe anything that he said!
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Post by djduncanjames on Jun 8, 2018 15:05:45 GMT
Sounds like Rowett will give him a chance:
Rowett said: “Saido contacted me straight away in fairness and wanted the opportunity to speak to me so I will do that next week.
“I’m aware of his situation, I’m aware of some of the things he needs and needs to do better and I will view any of those things as a blank canvas.
“But at the same time any of those players will have to do certain things, they will have to fit certain parameters and that they will have to match certain standards for me to have them in the squad for next season.
“But when you look at someone like Saido's quality - I had a similar situation with [Matej] Vydra at Derby, where he hadn’t had a very good season so you look and ask if you can reignite some of those players."
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Post by M on Jun 8, 2018 15:20:16 GMT
Sounds like Rowett will give him a chance: Rowett said: “Saido contacted me straight away in fairness and wanted the opportunity to speak to me so I will do that next week. “I’m aware of his situation, I’m aware of some of the things he needs and needs to do better and I will view any of those things as a blank canvas. “But at the same time any of those players will have to do certain things, they will have to fit certain parameters and that they will have to match certain standards for me to have them in the squad for next season. “But when you look at someone like Saido's quality - I had a similar situation with [Matej] Vydra at Derby, where he hadn’t had a very good season so you look and ask if you can reignite some of those players." If Saido plays next season and plays well, we will have someone special at the club and I'm not talking about Saido; GR. He's making the right noises and doing right by him I feel. We'll find out very soon if Saido takes the opportunity because it surely must have dawned on him now that if there is hopefully longevity in GR being at the helm, this is his last chance to prove everyone else wrong.
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 8, 2018 15:47:00 GMT
I hope he takes this clean slate from Gaz and really changes what ever problems he's got but he was given a clean slate when we bought him. I agree, but hope Gaz does not take risks with him or risk cheesing off the other professionals at the club who have tried their best. I like your use of " clean slate". Reminds me of when I started school at Church Street Primary Infant School, Chesterton in 1953. We each had a slate and chalk to write with. At the end of the day we would wipe the slate clean. I would then go and play in the air raid shelter in the park, or in marl hole up near the Talke Road, or go down to Apedale and play in the tanks till the angry man chased us off.
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Post by musik on Jun 8, 2018 15:51:53 GMT
Please forgive me, but actually no. Must be the damned major language advocacy. Here in Sweden, 'rehabilitation' means someone has an injury, often a severe one - or have some serious drug problems, and have to get help with that, get 'rehabilitated'. I've noticed, in English words often have more meanings. I hope he will adapt.
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Post by djduncanjames on Jun 8, 2018 15:56:47 GMT
Sounds like Rowett will give him a chance: Rowett said: “Saido contacted me straight away in fairness and wanted the opportunity to speak to me so I will do that next week. “I’m aware of his situation, I’m aware of some of the things he needs and needs to do better and I will view any of those things as a blank canvas. “But at the same time any of those players will have to do certain things, they will have to fit certain parameters and that they will have to match certain standards for me to have them in the squad for next season. “But when you look at someone like Saido's quality - I had a similar situation with [Matej] Vydra at Derby, where he hadn’t had a very good season so you look and ask if you can reignite some of those players." If Saido plays next season and plays well, we will have someone special at the club and I'm not talking about Saido; GR. He's making the right noises and doing right by him I feel. We'll find out very soon if Saido takes the opportunity because it surely must have dawned on him now that if there is hopefully longevity in GR being at the helm, this is his last chance to prove everyone else wrong. There will be no more pisstaking under Gaz thats for sure. Anyone know if he is making the players wear those "smart" watches that monitor their fitness over the summer? For those who don't know or didn't see it: Saido has a chance, but if he comes back unfit and been drinking beer and getting pissed with ladies of the night all summer then he'll be frozen out before he even gets a chance to get fit, and fair enough Charlie better smarten up and all I cant see Rowett taking any shit at all from this bunch. Really think we have a gem of a manager here
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 16:16:34 GMT
Trouble is if the manager thinks Berahino can be rehabilitated it might stop him buying a replacement (again). If Berahino can be rehabilitated, there's a 20 goal a season (Especially in the Championship) player. It's a huge if though. This is the illusion that has helped to send stoke down
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Post by djduncanjames on Jun 8, 2018 16:19:23 GMT
If Berahino can be rehabilitated, there's a 20 goal a season (Especially in the Championship) player. It's a huge if though. This is the illusion that has helped to send stoke down But we are actively linked with strikers in the paper now under Gaz. I cant think of one besides Sturridge and Ings under Lambo, and even PC himself said as much
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Post by BuckRogers on Jun 8, 2018 16:29:28 GMT
Over 2 years without scoring and people still want to give him chance😁 He needs moving on, probably league below gets some confidence back. Can't see him ever returning to form.
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Post by M on Jun 8, 2018 16:36:33 GMT
If Saido plays next season and plays well, we will have someone special at the club and I'm not talking about Saido; GR. He's making the right noises and doing right by him I feel. We'll find out very soon if Saido takes the opportunity because it surely must have dawned on him now that if there is hopefully longevity in GR being at the helm, this is his last chance to prove everyone else wrong. There will be no more pisstaking under Gaz thats for sure. Anyone know if he is making the players wear those "smart" watches that monitor their fitness over the summer? For those who don't know or didn't see it: Saido has a chance, but if he comes back unfit and been drinking beer and getting pissed with ladies of the night all summer then he'll be frozen out before he even gets a chance to get fit, and fair enough Charlie better smarten up and all I cant see Rowett taking any shit at all from this bunch. Really think we have a gem of a manager here I remember being told by a pal around Christmas who is a relation to a an ex player who is still very close to the club (he seldom gets news because of the closed circles at the club but he’s always right with the tit bits he gets) that Saido was largely detested in the camp, largely because he’d developed this persona that because the fans were desperate for him to succeed, that alone warranted his appearance in the team. I think it’s safe to say that even though large swathes want him to succeed we’ve also largely come to not expect it. Hopefully that alone is enough to kick him up the arse (granted it shouldn’t have to). I know we all dream of a team of dedicated pros but the reality is, most dedicated pros are that so that they can make up for technical limitations, it’s a modern day rarity to have someone with both except for the top top players. I teach that my son, he’s bang average at playing so I keep reiterating the importance of dedication and teamwork (which I’d personally always do). Saido is clearly one of the many modern day footballers with ability and an ego to match. Egos take a battering. Let’s see what kind of a man he is and if he reacts positively to it or ends up one of those that piss it all away. I still hope it’s the former. PS. Completely agree.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 8, 2018 16:50:52 GMT
So what do we do with him Paul? Is it better to send him on loan if someone will have him? If so, and it's a Championship club, at least we get to see what he can do at that level, but God knows who would take him. In the grand scheme of things Mike, he's an irrelevance. Yes we paid £12 million for him and yes we're paying him a ton of money each week but that entire package pales into insignificance when balanced up against the monetary value in us getting back into the Prem. And that is what Rowett has been brought here to do, not to mop up the shit left over from Mark Hughes' failed transfer policy. You've got people on this thread suggesting he should be given the first ten games as a guaranteed starter to 'give him a chance' and what if that idea doesn't work out and by that point we're sitting in the bottom half of the table because we can't score goals? It's an utterly idiotic suggestion. When Rowett is considering, his formation, his striker options and his transfer strategy this summer, Saido Berahino shouldn't come into his thought process for a nano second.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jun 8, 2018 16:55:18 GMT
So what do we do with him Paul? Is it better to send him on loan if someone will have him? If so, and it's a Championship club, at least we get to see what he can do at that level, but God knows who would take him. In the grand scheme of things Mike, he's an irrelevance. Yes we paid £12 million for him and yes we're paying him a ton of money each week but that entire package pales into insignificance when balanced up against the monetary value in us getting back into the Prem. And that is what Rowett has been brought here to do, not to mop up the shit left over from Mark Hughes' failed transfer policy. You've got people on this thread suggesting he should be given the first ten games as a guaranteed starter to 'give him a chance' and what if that idea doesn't work out and by that point we're sitting in the bottom half of the table because we can't score goals? It's an utterly idiotic suggestion. When Rowett is considering, his formation, his striker options and his transfer strategy, Said Berahino shouldn't come into his thought process for a nano second. I agree with you 95% but the optimist in me hopes somehow he’ll change under Rowett and start scoring (even though he won’t)
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Post by cousindupree on Jun 8, 2018 16:57:14 GMT
We risked our entire season to give him another chance instead of buying another striker and got relegated. I think we can't afford doing the same mistake again. He's not an out of form footballer, He's a bad apple. Exactly. If Berahino hadn't have been at the club, we'd have brought another striker in and given ourselves a chance of survival but the board gambled on Berahino coming good but he didn't and ultimately the club have paid the price in the most spectacular fashion. Now they need to get back at the first attempt and they're not going to jeopardise that opportunity by making the same mistake again. A few bright sparks on here have suggested he gets an uninterrupted run of 10 - 15 games!!! This has to be one of the most ridiculous ideas and they were serious! I can't be arsed to list a dozen or so reasons why that approach is madness. I'll only endorse what you have said we simply can't piss about even from day one.
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 8, 2018 17:07:21 GMT
So what do we do with him Paul? Is it better to send him on loan if someone will have him? If so, and it's a Championship club, at least we get to see what he can do at that level, but God knows who would take him. In the grand scheme of things Mike, he's an irrelevance. Yes we paid £12 million for him and yes we're paying him a ton of money each week but that entire package pales into insignificance when balanced up against the monetary value in us getting back into the Prem. And that is what Rowett has been brought here to do, not to mop up the shit left over from Mark Hughes' failed transfer policy. You've got people on this thread suggesting he should be given the first ten games as a guaranteed starter to 'give him a chance' and what if that idea doesn't work out and by that point we're sitting in the bottom half of the table because we can't score goals? It's an utterly idiotic suggestion. When Rowett is considering, his formation, his striker options and his transfer strategy this summer, Saido Berahino shouldn't come into his thought process for a nano second. I agree, if Bera is serious about rebuilding his career surely it starts with a loan to a lower division. If he succeeds then bring him back for a trial run.
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Post by djduncanjames on Jun 8, 2018 17:34:00 GMT
There will be no more pisstaking under Gaz thats for sure. Anyone know if he is making the players wear those "smart" watches that monitor their fitness over the summer? For those who don't know or didn't see it: Saido has a chance, but if he comes back unfit and been drinking beer and getting pissed with ladies of the night all summer then he'll be frozen out before he even gets a chance to get fit, and fair enough Charlie better smarten up and all I cant see Rowett taking any shit at all from this bunch. Really think we have a gem of a manager here I remember being told by a pal around Christmas who is a relation to a an ex player who is still very close to the club (he seldom gets news because of the closed circles at the club but he’s always right with the tit bits he gets) that Saido was largely detested in the camp, largely because he’d developed this persona that because the fans were desperate for him to succeed, that alone warranted his appearance in the team. I think it’s safe to say that even though large swathes want him to succeed we’ve also largely come to not expect it. Hopefully that alone is enough to kick him up the arse (granted it shouldn’t have to). I know we all dream of a team of dedicated pros but the reality is, most dedicated pros are that so that they can make up for technical limitations, it’s a modern day rarity to have someone with both except for the top top players. I teach that my son, he’s bang average at playing so I keep reiterating the importance of dedication and teamwork (which I’d personally always do). Saido is clearly one of the many modern day footballers with ability and an ego to match. Egos take a battering. Let’s see what kind of a man he is and if he reacts positively to it or ends up one of those that piss it all away. I still hope it’s the former. PS. Completely agree. I'm guessing your pal is related to Lawrence, only by your avatar though Well done with your lad by the way, you're teaching him well and I hope he looks at players like Walters and Wilko as an example, that through hardwork you can get places To add to what you've said here, I would think his astronomical wages compared to that of say a Charlie Adam type or whoever, guys like Cameron.. players that have genuinely contributed to our success and amazing memories as a premier league team, look at him and think -- "this fucking guy doesn't even know what day it is" ---"Oh here comes Billy big Bollox, an hour late again and the boss let's him get away with it".... I would be SUPER RESENTFUL at work if some big time Charlie just turned up on the jobsite whenever he wanted and came in hungover and was on a mega hourly rate, compared to the "labourer types" who may be limited in skills but are always there grafting away and doing the dirty work to get the job done, with little or no thanks from the boss. I am in 2 minds about how to deal with Saido. As Paul says above, he IS kind of an irrelevance. I think Rowett will sign 2 first team strikers and force Saido to either dislodge them or face the reality that his career is in fact OVER. Make no mistakes, this is literally the last chance saloon for him between now and January. And I think Rowett will be on these players like white on rice trying to suss out who has the correct attitude and team ethic he will demand. A very HANDS ON approach, totally different to Hughes reclining in his office eating Pizza with Carto.. I could literally see him at the gate with his watch on Clayton Woods, like AVB did at Chelsea... I think he has to earn the right for even a place on the bench. To just "Start him for the sake of it" is absolute madness and I cannot see Gaz risking his reputation on him for 1 second if I am honest. Sure if he destroys teams in PRE SEASON in Germany he'll be in with a shout, but I would think that GAz would expect that AS A MINIMUM REQUIREMENT -- He's our highest earner by all accounts, and if he doesnt justify it then he's toast... No way will Gaz risk alienating his new signings, only to find out SAido's been doing ecstacy in Ibiza or whatever again... What a pickle we are in with this guy
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Post by nigerianstokie on Jun 8, 2018 17:36:24 GMT
Trouble is if the manager thinks Berahino can be rehabilitated it might stop him buying a replacement (again). Rowett is not an idiot. He will know rehabilitating Berahino is a huge challenge, and so relying on sorting out the head of a striker who hasn't scored in two years, whose confidence is shot and is quite a controversial character, to say the least, is a monumental risk. On top of that, we need back up as well, and relying on Diouf is nothing short of idiotic. Giving Saido a chance will not impact on us signing a striker.
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Post by nigerianstokie on Jun 8, 2018 17:43:48 GMT
This is a typical example of the worst kind of poster on this site. I just wonder where he gets his actual information from and yet they regularly spread their nonsense around the forum. Yes there have been problems with this transfer but I will not come onto the oatcake and write things about a player that have been generated from misinformed gossip amongst angry fans. We have just employed a young ambitious manager who has the ability to assess whether Berahino can get back involved and if he can show the required attitude. You cannot blame Berahino for the contract he has been given. Yes, so far it has been a disaster for reasons I am not privy to and I certainly do not believe everything I read in the paper and certainly what comes out of Tony Pulis's mouth. We have a great challenge ahead of us and I am willing to give every player on contract a fresh start to show their commitment. I am sure that Rowett will bring in good players to set the level required to transform the dressing room. So I take it you don’t believe the FA for the drugs charge or the fact that he has been employed by SCFC for 18 months, served under two different managers and let all down whilst drawing a wage that you could only dream of and he played (well not) a significant part in our relegation. OKBy the way I can’t remember Pulis ever publicly saying anything degrogative about Berahino. For all of the stick he gets, it must be said, Saido had less to do with our relegation than most.
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Post by djduncanjames on Jun 8, 2018 17:50:27 GMT
So I take it you don’t believe the FA for the drugs charge or the fact that he has been employed by SCFC for 18 months, served under two different managers and let all down whilst drawing a wage that you could only dream of and he played (well not) a significant part in our relegation. OKBy the way I can’t remember Pulis ever publicly saying anything degrogative about Berahino. For all of the stick he gets, it must be said, Saido had less to do with our relegation than most. Sure he has, same as Jese He left the boss with no options -- He wasn't even at work on time, let alone physically prepared for his workday -- or knew what actual day it was..
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