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Post by owdestokie2 on Jun 8, 2018 8:33:51 GMT
My position is one of pragmatism. There's a footballer in there somewhere. It might be the modern antithesis of a footballer, but a footballer nonetheless. And a good one at that. He wasn't treated brilliantly by Hughes, and in the time that Lambert had, he felt he wasn't going to be sharp enough to make any difference. I'm not excusing his behaviour in the slightest, he hasn't covered himself in glory by any means. But we're living in a footballing age where Benik Afobe has moved today for £12.5 Million, and that Hogan at Villa moved for £15 Million. I would sit him down and say "get fit, stop fucking about and you're my starting striker for the 15 games, whatever happens". He needs a good run of games to see if he can get back to the levels he once operated at. If he does, we have a bloody good footballer. I appreciate this probably won't be the consensus opinion however.... After 18 months (whilst at SCFC) of complete desrepect for his employer, fellow professionals and club stakeholders (including us as supporters) I personally wouldn’t give him the time of day irrespective of cost. Perhaps a solution may be if he agreed to waiver wages for the same length of time either at SCFC or whilst out on loan to regain respect and appetite for his profession, now that may be a different proposition. What’s the chances? FA I would think
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Post by knyperstokie on Jun 8, 2018 8:36:13 GMT
I'd give him a chance - he might perform well for a few games before reverting to type. West Brom. did get a good season out of him. If we manage to get a few goals out of him I'd then sell him at the first chance (Jan 2019)
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Post by Pedropotter on Jun 8, 2018 8:36:45 GMT
All that says to me is that hes got no friends.
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Post by cousindupree on Jun 8, 2018 9:01:19 GMT
No doubt it was to tell the new gaffer that his inability to score for 2 years, his overweight and lack of fitness, his poor timekeeping and his car crash of a personal life is all the fault of that horrible Mark Hughes. You see with Saido it's always someone else's fault. And we still have folks on here saying he should be given another chance. I just hope Rowett has told the waster he wants him gone.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 9:08:06 GMT
New manager, new start.
Every player who turns up for pre-season training as part of our squad has an equal chance to put in the graft to impress and force their way into the managers plans.
It's as simple as that for me......
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Post by mrred on Jun 8, 2018 9:23:31 GMT
I'm not sure I'd be comfortable supporting a bloke that's done nothing but take the piss and bought nothing but negativity to our door. Unless he scores a hat trick on his first game.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 9:25:42 GMT
I'm not sure I'd be comfortable supporting a bloke that's done nothing but take the piss and bought nothing but negativity to our door. Unless he scores a hat trick on his first game. I agree and words and instagram photos of him in the gym are completely meaningless. The only way he can rectify the situation is by working his nuts off pre-season and taking any chance he's given and start finding the net. If that happens everyone's a winner......
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Post by rawli on Jun 8, 2018 9:28:07 GMT
Give him a chance. May as well be pragmatic and try and get some bang for our buck. Hopefully the new manager and the players brought in will be strong enough to bring him into line.
If they can't then pay him off. Not good for squad to have him around.
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Post by M on Jun 8, 2018 9:34:02 GMT
At my place I oversee 16 lads and lasses. Most of them are cracking. They graft, get the job done and there's a couple of stars. There's one who always seems to have an excuse, the world is seemingly 'always against them' (how they portray it) but on his day he's on another level compared to the rest.
He's still here, we persevere and I'm glad we do.
I suppose that's similar to Saido...
The reality though is we will struggle to get him off the books here unlike the chap we persevere with at work so I think in that respect the club has an obligation to try and make it work because if they don't, they might as well just rip up his contract now and pay him off.
I think GR has done it right. He's pointed out the lad has had chances under different regimes and not done it, so it's down to him to prove them wrong but he'll give him the platform to by telling him his expectations to see how he reacts. If we see Saido involved in the squad you'd then assume he's reacting well to that, if not then we know we can finally give up on the lad. Here's hoping because there's a hell of a finisher in there somewhere and virtually a new signing if we can...
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Post by mrred on Jun 8, 2018 9:34:03 GMT
I'm not sure I'd be comfortable supporting a bloke that's done nothing but take the piss and bought nothing but negativity to our door. Unless he scores a hat trick on his first game. I agree and words and instagram photos of him in the gym are completely meaningless. The only way he can rectify the situation is by working his nuts off pre-season and taking any chance he's given and start finding the net. If that happens everyone's a winner...... Yup. If there's one thing I'm confident in, it's that Rowett isn't going to take any shit, certainly lot lackluster attitudes like we've seen for the last 2 1/2 years. If Saido's contacted him then maybe he can buy into the hard work ethic that Rowett will lay down.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 8, 2018 9:38:39 GMT
New manager, new start. Every player who turns up for pre-season training as part of our squad has an equal chance to put in the graft to impress and force their way into the managers plans. It's as simple as that for me...... It might not be that simple for Rowett though mate, his focus has to be on building a side to win promotion at the first attempt, not attempting to rehabilitate players bought by a failed manager, who the club might already see as lost causes. Wimmer being a perfect example of this.
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Post by philb on Jun 8, 2018 9:39:15 GMT
I wouldn’t give him a cat in hells chance with Rowett in charge.
Rowett: “Hi Saido”
Berahino: “Hi mate”
Rowett: “I’m not yer f*ckin mate, pack yer bags and f*ck off!”
Job done 😂
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 9:42:15 GMT
New manager, new start. Every player who turns up for pre-season training as part of our squad has an equal chance to put in the graft to impress and force their way into the managers plans. It's as simple as that for me...... It might not be that simple for Rowett though mate, his focus has to be on building a side to win promotion at the first attempt not attempting to rehabilitate players that the club might already see as lost causes. Wimmer being a perfect example of this. I think it will be apparent pretty early on if Rowett fancies Berahino or not mate. He may of course just be playing the game and in the background the club are doing what they can to get shot of him. We may have no choice than but to be pragmatic about having him around the squad if no one wants him, then you're talking about paying off his contract or banishing him to train with the kids or something drastic I guess.....
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Post by silverdollar on Jun 8, 2018 9:58:33 GMT
"Listen boss, we've got this great system here. I barely train, never play, never attend a match day, take a cracking wage and still have time to fuck up my personal life. Just want you to know I'll be just as committed to the cause next season." This is a typical example of the worst kind of poster on this site. I just wonder where he gets his actual information from and yet they regularly spread their nonsense around the forum. Yes there have been problems with this transfer but I will not come onto the oatcake and write things about a player that have been generated from misinformed gossip amongst angry fans. We have just employed a young ambitious manager who has the ability to assess whether Berahino can get back involved and if he can show the required attitude. You cannot blame Berahino for the contract he has been given. Yes, so far it has been a disaster for reasons I am not privy to and I certainly do not believe everything I read in the paper and certainly what comes out of Tony Pulis's mouth. We have a great challenge ahead of us and I am willing to give every player on contract a fresh start to show their commitment. I am sure that Rowett will bring in good players to set the level required to transform the dressing room.
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Post by Widget123 on Jun 8, 2018 10:06:38 GMT
The slightly ironic part to this saga is that Stoke have tried to be a "Battersey Dogs Home" for several players with large personal issues over the last 10 years.
Etherington, Pennent, Fuller, Arnie, even Bojan to a extent.
A new manager is the best chance we have of getting any value our if Berahinho, if indeed he's not too far gone.
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Post by nott1 on Jun 8, 2018 10:11:56 GMT
Cat o nine tails should do it!
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Post by ancientowl on Jun 8, 2018 10:17:00 GMT
Yes, i’d give him a run of starts 8/9 games to assess him properly, which he’s never had here, hopefully he’ll score goals and finally prove his worth
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Post by hooftastic on Jun 8, 2018 10:18:51 GMT
"Listen boss, we've got this great system here. I barely train, never play, never attend a match day, take a cracking wage and still have time to fuck up my personal life. Just want you to know I'll be just as committed to the cause next season." This is a typical example of the worst kind of poster on this site. I just wonder where he gets his actual information from and yet they regularly spread their nonsense around the forum. Yes there have been problems with this transfer but I will not come onto the oatcake and write things about a player that have been generated from misinformed gossip amongst angry fans. We have just employed a young ambitious manager who has the ability to assess whether Berahino can get back involved and if he can show the required attitude. You cannot blame Berahino for the contract he has been given. Yes, so far it has been a disaster for reasons I am not privy to and I certainly do not believe everything I read in the paper and certainly what comes out of Tony Pulis's mouth. We have a great challenge ahead of us and I am willing to give every player on contract a fresh start to show their commitment. I am sure that Rowett will bring in good players to set the level required to transform the dressing room. ...... do you genuinely believe anyone thinks that's how the conversation went? I think you need to lighten up and stop taking everything so seriously. For the record, I'd give him another chance if GR thinks he's worth trying but he can't complain if not.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jun 8, 2018 10:21:27 GMT
As I see it we have 3 choices. We either loan him out to stop him stinking the place out, but we will still be paying his wages and getting nothing in return, unless he finds the knack and comes back a different player. We just freeze him out and pay him up his contract. Or we try and get him back fit and playing for us and scoring the goals we all know are somewhere in there. It may or may not work but the new manager must give it a go if we hope to get any value out of him either within the club or in a fee when we get rid. It's a no brainer really.
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Post by 3putts on Jun 8, 2018 11:01:00 GMT
everybody deserves a second chance. but with saido we are probably talking third or fourth chance? maybe loan him out to a div one club to see if he can rediscover his scoring touch?
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Post by mosquito on Jun 8, 2018 11:21:11 GMT
Work hard, get fit and prove yourself pre-season to the new manager and who knows what your future might hold. Turn up late, half arsed and not committed and you don't need to be a brain surgeon to work it out!
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Post by skelman on Jun 8, 2018 11:30:15 GMT
Yes, i’d give him a run of starts 8/9 games to assess him properly, which he’s never had here, hopefully he’ll score goals and finally prove his worth I would do this too if Berahino can convince the manager on his attitude, work ethic, fitness, training etc. I think he's been dealt a pretty shit hand in a toxic atmosphere both at WBA and then for 18 months with us and he's behaved like an absolute twat! but IF he could show real commitment to the club, tow the line and turn it round ......... under the new manager etc etc.
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Post by musik on Jun 8, 2018 11:34:38 GMT
If Berahino can be rehabilitated, there's a 20 goal a season (Especially in the Championship) player. What's his injury?
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Post by Old School Stokie on Jun 8, 2018 11:36:01 GMT
Just leave it up to GR - I'm sure he will do the right thing whatever the situation
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jun 8, 2018 11:41:41 GMT
Rowett will probably take a look at him in training and then friendlies, but you can bet your bottom dollar he won't lumber himself with Saido unless it benefits the team from the 'off'. It's unlikely we'll see a recovery of his former glory and if we actually buy two new strikers I'd say the chances were already zero.
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Post by metalhead on Jun 8, 2018 12:13:54 GMT
If Berahino can be rehabilitated, there's a 20 goal a season (Especially in the Championship) player. What's his injury? You know what I mean.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jun 8, 2018 12:16:10 GMT
If Berahino can be rehabilitated, there's a 20 goal a season (Especially in the Championship) player. What's his injury? Cockitis.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jun 8, 2018 12:18:16 GMT
No doubt it was to tell the new gaffer that his inability to score for 2 years, his overweight and lack of fitness, his poor timekeeping and his car crash of a personal life is all the fault of that horrible Mark Hughes. You see with Saido it's always someone else's fault. And we still have folks on here saying he should be given another chance. I just hope Rowett has told the waster he wants him gone. To be fair if he blamed Hughes for everything he would be following the official club line
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jun 8, 2018 12:31:23 GMT
"Listen boss, we've got this great system here. I barely train, never play, never attend a match day, take a cracking wage and still have time to fuck up my personal life. Just want you to know I'll be just as committed to the cause next season." This is a typical example of the worst kind of poster on this site. I just wonder where he gets his actual information from and yet they regularly spread their nonsense around the forum. Yes there have been problems with this transfer but I will not come onto the oatcake and write things about a player that have been generated from misinformed gossip amongst angry fans. We have just employed a young ambitious manager who has the ability to assess whether Berahino can get back involved and if he can show the required attitude. You cannot blame Berahino for the contract he has been given. Yes, so far it has been a disaster for reasons I am not privy to and I certainly do not believe everything I read in the paper and certainly what comes out of Tony Pulis's mouth. We have a great challenge ahead of us and I am willing to give every player on contract a fresh start to show their commitment. I am sure that Rowett will bring in good players to set the level required to transform the dressing room. So I take it you don’t believe the FA for the drugs charge or the fact that he has been employed by SCFC for 18 months, served under two different managers and let all down whilst drawing a wage that you could only dream of and he played (well not) a significant part in our relegation. OKBy the way I can’t remember Pulis ever publicly saying anything degrogative about Berahino.
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Post by ElworthPotter on Jun 8, 2018 12:35:43 GMT
He’ll turn up for training and, given the fact he’s on a big wage and is unlikely to get a move, Rowett will probably have to assess him on the same level as everyone else. Whether Saido takes that chance, however, is a totally different matter.
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