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Post by Vestan Pance on Jun 1, 2018 15:16:52 GMT
My position is one of pragmatism.
There's a footballer in there somewhere. It might be the modern antithesis of a footballer, but a footballer nonetheless. And a good one at that.
He wasn't treated brilliantly by Hughes, and in the time that Lambert had, he felt he wasn't going to be sharp enough to make any difference.
I'm not excusing his behaviour in the slightest, he hasn't covered himself in glory by any means. But we're living in a footballing age where Benik Afobe has moved today for £12.5 Million, and that Hogan at Villa moved for £15 Million. I would sit him down and say "get fit, stop fucking about and you're my starting striker for the 15 games, whatever happens". He needs a good run of games to see if he can get back to the levels he once operated at. If he does, we have a bloody good footballer.
I appreciate this probably won't be the consensus opinion however....
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Post by robwahlmann on Jun 1, 2018 15:28:00 GMT
All work-ethic issues aside, how many chances on goal has he had since he's been at Stoke? You could count them on two hands. You don't need hands to count the goals though.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 15:34:17 GMT
We have to. He's not going anywhere so he either gets a chance or we rot him in the reserves and waste 50k a week on him.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 1, 2018 15:36:36 GMT
We have to. He's not going anywhere so he either gets a chance or we rot him in the reserves and waste 50k a week on him. He should only get a chance if he earns one. Not just because he's hanging around the place.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jun 1, 2018 15:40:07 GMT
We have to. He's not going anywhere so he either gets a chance or we rot him in the reserves and waste 50k a week on him. He should only get a chance if he earns one. Not just because he's hanging around the place. This. If he does the biz in training then he should be given a chance. Realistically we can't afford not to.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2018 15:41:13 GMT
We have to. He's not going anywhere so he either gets a chance or we rot him in the reserves and waste 50k a week on him. He should only get a chance if he earns one. Not just because he's hanging around the place. I agree, he has to show he's willing to work, but we can't discount him from the squad. I wouldn't have him first choice but there's no reason he can't play the odd game, starting in the cups would be good, see if he can be arsed under Rowett.
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Post by numpty40 on Jun 1, 2018 15:47:02 GMT
All work-ethic issues aside, how many chances on goal has he had since he's been at Stoke? You could count them on two hands. You don't need hands to count the goals though. Or fingers for that matter😉
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Post by numpty40 on Jun 1, 2018 15:59:17 GMT
My position is one of pragmatism. There's a footballer in there somewhere. It might be the modern antithesis of a footballer, but a footballer nonetheless. And a good one at that. He wasn't treated brilliantly by Hughes, and in the time that Lambert had, he felt he wasn't going to be sharp enough to make any difference. I'm not excusing his behaviour in the slightest, he hasn't covered himself in glory by any means. But we're living in a footballing age where Benik Afobe has moved today for £12.5 Million, and that Hogan at Villa moved for £15 Million. I would sit him down and say "get fit, stop fucking about and you're my starting striker for the 15 games, whatever happens". He needs a good run of games to see if he can get back to the levels he once operated at. If he does, we have a bloody good footballer. I appreciate this probably won't be the consensus opinion however.... I'm coming round to this suggestion. His reputation in the game is shot to pieces and we are well and truly stuck with him, we really couldn't give him away considering the contract he is on here. However there is clearly a talented footballer there and it wasn't that long ago Spurs were willing to pay over £20m for him. It obviously does come down to Berahino and his own pride and attitude but I think the new management team have to try and find a way to integrate Berahino in the squad. All we've got to do then is work out what to do with Imbula😀
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Post by NassauDave on Jun 4, 2018 4:18:53 GMT
A month fo him to prove himself. Yes.
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Post by wilcopotter on Jun 4, 2018 6:12:15 GMT
Rowett has to give this a go, he’s part of the squad he has inherited. Chances are, he’ll come to the same conclusion as Pulis, Hughes and Lambert. He should never have been signed, anyone with any sense could see this was going to turn out like this given his WBA antics.
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 4, 2018 6:18:16 GMT
Rowett has to give this a go, he’s part of the squad he has inherited. Chances are, he’ll come to the same conclusion as Pulis, Hughes and Lambert. He should never have been signed, anyone with any sense could see this was going to turn out like this given his WBA antics. Hughes chased him for two years before eventually signing this bag of shit.
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Post by Dr Hesham on Jun 4, 2018 6:18:57 GMT
Give him for Hughes at Southampton for free.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 6:56:32 GMT
Interesting that Fuller bemoaned Saido's weight in an interview. However he also said Stoke can't afford to cut losses because who will take him, so Rowett needs to put an arm around him. They need to get him sorted nutritionally and physically and he needs to put the effort in, because if he gets back to West Brom form he'll be worth a lot.
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Post by stokeykez on Jun 4, 2018 6:58:02 GMT
Give him until Christmas. Only if it isn't at the expense of buying another striker. We simply cannot afford to hang all our hopes on him and diouf
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Post by Clem Fandango on Jun 4, 2018 7:00:43 GMT
Interesting that Fuller bemoaned Saido's weight in an interview. However he also said Stoke can't afford to cut losses because who will take him, so Rowett needs to put an arm around him. They need to get him sorted nutritionally and physically and he needs to put the effort in, because if he gets back to West Brom form he'll be worth a lot. Sadly thats a big if mate
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Post by stokie1954 on Jun 4, 2018 7:31:39 GMT
Give him until Christmas. Only if it isn't at the expense of buying another striker. We simply cannot afford to hang all our hopes on him and diouf New manager and clean slate for Berahino. Championship may suit him. As for Diouf he will never, ever be a high level player. Dreadful footballer. Fuck him off to Burslem for free!.
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Post by elystokie on Jun 4, 2018 14:55:03 GMT
Rowett has to give this a go, he’s part of the squad he has inherited. Chances are, he’ll come to the same conclusion as Pulis, Hughes and Lambert. He should never have been signed, anyone with any sense could see this was going to turn out like this given his WBA antics. Hughes chased him for two years before eventually signing this bag of shit. Did he really? Strange you've never mentioned it before...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 7:43:55 GMT
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Post by dadofsam on Jun 8, 2018 7:46:24 GMT
Didn't we see videos of him working aaaard in his home gym last year?
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Post by nathstoke86 on Jun 8, 2018 7:49:47 GMT
Yeah we did same last year too. But!!! I still believe there is something in there and if rowett can get it out of him then him and adobe be some force
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Post by ianstokie on Jun 8, 2018 7:53:29 GMT
Yeah we did same last year too. But!!! I still believe there is something in there and if rowett can get it out of him then him and adobe be some force Adobe the acrobat?
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Post by musik on Jun 8, 2018 7:56:50 GMT
Yeah we did same last year too. But!!! I still believe there is something in there and if rowett can get it out of him then him and adobe be some force Adobe the acrobat? No, the Illustrator.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Jun 8, 2018 7:58:34 GMT
I think Berahino may have had a bit of a reality check and realises that he's no longer wanted at Stoke. Hughes and Lambert snubbed him due to his attitude and performances. He's obviously taken the initiative and contacted GR to try and establish his place in the team. Time will tell I suppose but GR is no mug and will require 100% commitment from every player. I'm sure there's a player in there somewhere but will we give him another chance? I'm not sure to be truthful.
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Post by metalhead on Jun 8, 2018 7:58:43 GMT
New manager, new start. There's a talented footballer in there somewhere. It's last chance saloon though, let's be honest.
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Post by foster on Jun 8, 2018 7:59:55 GMT
No, the reader
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Post by andystokey on Jun 8, 2018 8:00:43 GMT
The cynic in me suggests he just wants to keep his gravy train rolling.
Let's see.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 8:03:29 GMT
To be fair to him, he came back in very good shape last summer but in my opinion, was treated appallingly by Hughes. He was given only a few appearances in a side, that at the time, wasn't creating much. He was then dropped.
Was it deserved? At the time I'm not sure. The previous manager has form for wild treatment of players re. Ireland for example pre injury.
What this doesn't excuse is the state he turned up here in from day one, which was disgraceful and how he apparently let himself go since, in terms of time keeping etc. under Lambert.
Does he deserve another chance? We might not have a choice in that if there are no takers.
It may be a case of Rowett being able to get more out of him than the previous two managers, but it may not. The impressive part of this is how Rowett is approaching it. From the outside looking in it looks like there will be clear boundaries and expectations that need to be met and if it is clear they won't be met then, in his words, it will be a quick process.
It seems the player will be left in no uncertain terms and that can only be a good thing for the club.
I hope for our sake that he can turn it around as he will be an asset in the Championship.
Breath not being held...
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Post by dadofsam on Jun 8, 2018 8:15:57 GMT
Trouble is if the manager thinks Berahino can be rehabilitated it might stop him buying a replacement (again).
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Post by metalhead on Jun 8, 2018 8:22:04 GMT
Trouble is if the manager thinks Berahino can be rehabilitated it might stop him buying a replacement (again). If Berahino can be rehabilitated, there's a 20 goal a season (Especially in the Championship) player. It's a huge if though.
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Post by hooftastic on Jun 8, 2018 8:24:52 GMT
"Listen boss, we've got this great system here. I barely train, never play, never attend a match day, take a cracking wage and still have time to fuck up my personal life. Just want you to know I'll be just as committed to the cause next season."
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