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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 25, 2018 9:53:17 GMT
Peter's son John is likely to take over the Chairmanship (or at the very least least the major decision making) from his dad for next season, I would have thought.
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Post by thegift on Apr 25, 2018 9:59:29 GMT
Peter's son John is likely to take over the Chairmanship (or at the very least least the major decision making) from his dad for next season, I would have thought. Has to be john's turn next season
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Post by wozzerthepotter on Apr 25, 2018 10:02:04 GMT
From my experience of life when people hit there seventies let alone eighties making decisions becomes harder and harder and they like routine and no change. Is this what we have seen with an aging chairman who has clearly not reacted to whats been happening in the club for the past two years? Clearly he wanted to appoint a shambolic manager like Lambert because he said what he wanted to hear and thats comforting to hear rather than take a chance on someone who may have been a bit more radical. Thank you Mr Coates for all you have done but and a big but our club can't be run like it has been any longer and insticts have to be followed and not false loyalty. Loyalty is a trait of a bygone era and his genertaion to be fair but not one you can afford in modern football. How the hell can anyone consdier keeping Lambert on with his track record - ludicrous. This club needs to sweep aside the losing mentality it has and a big shake up Have you thought how patronising this mail is to people over 70 I bet you weren't saying that 10 yrs ago when he got us promoted! A far as I see it he is at the moment doing as he should supporting his senior management team until relegation becomes a certainty at that point he and the family will act. Would you prefer to go to the real chaos of years gone by when we judged ourselves by how the games went against the Vile and Crewe!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 25, 2018 10:21:45 GMT
Hughes himself would already have had some decent contacts overseas independent of Carto and the boys as well. You would have thought so but other than tapping in to Barcelona what have we seen of that? Also if there was a plethora of overseas contacts independent of Carto then why do we even need Carto ? Sparky's contacts other than the above started and ended with Kia Joorabchian it seems. The Bundesliga stuff also points to that. He’s long been on for shopping over there so he clearly has some contacts in that department. His Chelsea links have been used more than once too. We don’t know exactly what Carto does do we, so it’s impossible to really say. But the manager almost always drives this process when there’s a transfer committee like this, at least in English football.
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Post by stokierich on Apr 25, 2018 10:23:32 GMT
He should and hopefully will in the summer step down and let Coates Jnr take over. The last two seasons have be awful but all could of been easily avoided with the right leadership at the top of the club.
You can blame and point your finger at others but the buck stops with him, all the disastrous decisions have happened under his watch when we needed strong leadership he's been left wanting. Will always be grateful for what he's done since buying the club back but like everything in life, time catches up with you.
Dave Whelan made the decision step down as Wigan chairman at 78 and passed the torch over to his grandson and with Peter Coates 81 next January I'm hoping he'll be looking/advised to do the same.
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Post by vahl on Apr 25, 2018 11:26:57 GMT
You would have thought so but other than tapping in to Barcelona what have we seen of that? Also if there was a plethora of overseas contacts independent of Carto then why do we even need Carto ? Sparky's contacts other than the above started and ended with Kia Joorabchian it seems. The Bundesliga stuff also points to that. He’s long been on for shopping over there so he clearly has some contacts in that department. His Chelsea links have been used more than once too. We don’t know exactly what Carto does do we, so it’s impossible to really say. But the manager almost always drives this process when there’s a transfer committee like this, at least in English football. It's not impossible to say what he does. Aside from what the Chairman says, The Sentinel & Sky Sports News have both, just recently, separately ran news stories about how the manager & director of recruitment are staying. He's under the umbrella of adviser/director to all football matters I believe but the common theme is that he oversees recruitment mostly. It's a position that used to be talked about years ago as I'm sure you know, because it's foreign in nature and pretty much borne out of the need to have a go-between when dealing with Agents - albeit it's a glorified Chief Scout with an added analytical approach, and some people believe it undermines the managers position a lot on transfers. I can see why people used to say that but I don't think it does myself. I do think you need someone that can put proof in the pudding on a consistent basis otherwise the role becomes a massive hindrance and therefore useless. Steve Walsh has been fired and replaced by the bloke who was running PSV's recruitment. Why can't we do this? He failed the club so they replaced him. The correlation is there to see, between his ever growing influence on incoming players and the teams failure to perform. We will see this summer anyway, the Chairman has already told us the crack so that's that. It doesn't matter what league we are in, you see, everyone knows this squad needs an overhaul, which means several new players coming in, and it is now a massive opportunity for us all to see what Carto can do for the club for ourselves. The pressure is on. Or will it be Paul Lambert's poor judgement this time?
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Post by maliciousdamage on Apr 25, 2018 11:28:04 GMT
I’m sick of this bullshit “the manager had the final say on players” of course he did but I’ve no doubt he was putting forward a list of more high profile more expensive players to Scholes and Carto and they couldn’t or wouldn’t land them leaving lesser players for Hughes to ‘ok’. He’d got to have ‘some’ new faces in to try to freshen things up I’ve no doubt he was becoming more disillusioned over the last 18 months but he’s not going to quit and lose money he’s going to carrry on regardless. For me there are two indicators if you look back to prove Hughes wasn’t always spotting/pushing for players: Pieters was coming through the door as Pulis was leaving and Hughes was coming in so someone authorised that deal behind a managers back either the outgoing or incoming. I don’t believe Hughes chased Berahino for three windows and the 12 months after he signs sits in a press conference and says when asked why he isn’t playing him that “he doesn’t fit my system”. It’s bull Scholes/Carto no doubt ignored more high profile targets of Hughes choice only to get Berahino in as they thought they’d get him cheap and they could sell him on for treble the money if he started scoring again and it’s backfired spectacularly. If Coates thinks these people can bring us back including Lambert he’s deluded and fooling himself, I can see it now in 6-12 months they’ll be paying Lambert up and we will have another load of garbage to try and shift on It needs a clear out top to bottom and a restart So what are you suggesting then, that Hughes had Berahino forced upon him? If you want to call it that, but if you're a Manager and you give a lsit in with 5 strikers and they come back and say its a 'no' from 1-5 we can't get them but we can get you "this bloke" he's got potential, one time England under 23 etc etc blah blah. You need a striker so you say ok or you say this is shit I've told you I need my top targets I'm out of here, out of work and with no pay off for quitting instead of being sacked. I'm saying Hughes just got fed up post Shaquiri of them not getting his top targets to improve and push on and 'went with the flow' 'made do with what he had' which is now clear wasn't good enough, I'm not excusing Hughes for his tactics and decisions in the latter part of his reign though he should have had more conviction and pushed for better. The only way we'll ever know the truth though is if Hughes or someone else leaving the club blows the lid of it!!!
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Post by captainmainwaring on Apr 25, 2018 11:52:17 GMT
So what are you suggesting then, that Hughes had Berahino forced upon him? If you want to call it that, but if you're a Manager and you give a lsit in with 5 strikers and they come back and say its a 'no' from 1-5 we can't get them but we can get you "this bloke" he's got potential, one time England under 23 etc etc blah blah. You need a striker so you say ok or you say this is shit I've told you I need my top targets I'm out of here, out of work and with no pay off for quitting instead of being sacked. I'm saying Hughes just got fed up post Shaquiri of them not getting his top targets to improve and push on and 'went with the flow' 'made do with what he had' which is now clear wasn't good enough, I'm not excusing Hughes for his tactics and decisions in the latter part of his reign though he should have had more conviction and pushed for better. The only way we'll ever know the truth though is if Hughes or someone else leaving the club blows the lid of it!!! What if it was the other way round. What if Cartwriight said I've got a list of five strikers that are willing to sign and Hughes said no I'm only interested in Berihino. See I can make shit up as well.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Apr 25, 2018 12:07:54 GMT
So depressing that Lambert is going to stay. We will be lucky to remain in the Championship next year given the number of players we are gonna lose and that loser in charge
We are just guessing and basically need more answers regarding transfers:
Imbula - Yes he has talent but where was the DNA background check? Berahino - Again he HAD talent but where was the real background check. Failed drugs test etc but we didnt learn from our mistakes Wimmer - How did he pass the medical? A basic beep test would have shown what an unfit fatboy he is, let alone how bad he is at football
Jese - Good player but terrible attitude Choupo - Average player, mercenary attitude Fletcher - Legs had gone
The list goes on. Every club has failed transfers YES Mr Coates. But only Stoke have so any failed transfers due to signing players with a dogshit attitude
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Post by onionman on Apr 25, 2018 12:12:11 GMT
He should and hopefully will in the summer step down and let Coates Jnr take over. The last two seasons have be awful but all could of been easily avoided with the right leadership at the top of the club. You can blame and point your finger at others but the buck stops with him, all the disastrous decisions have happened under his watch when we needed strong leadership he's been left wanting. Will always be grateful for what he's done since buying the club back but like everything in life, time catches up with you. Dave Whelan made the decision step down as Wigan chairman at 78 and passed the torch over to his grandson and with Peter Coates 81 next January I'm hoping he'll be looking/advised to do the same. At what point does Coates decide Jonathan Coates is too old and he may as well pass the heirloom to his grandson instead? Jon Coates is the Prince Charles of the operation isn't he. Caught between the two stools of wanting to be king asap but not wanting his parents to die.
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Post by stiggerstackle on Apr 25, 2018 12:15:05 GMT
So depressing that Lambert is going to stay. We will be lucky to remain in the Championship next year given the number of players we are gonna lose and that loser in charge We are just guessing and basically need more answers regarding transfers: Imbula - Yes he has talent but where was the DNA background check? Berahino - Again he HAD talent but where was the real background check. Failed drugs test etc but we didnt learn from our mistakes Wimmer - How did he pass the medical? A basic beep test would have shown what an unfit fatboy he is, let alone how bad he is at football Jese - Good player but terrible attitude Choupo - Average player, mercenary attitude Fletcher - Legs had gone The list goes on. Every club has failed transfers YES Mr Coates. But only Stoke have so any failed transfers due to signing players with a dogshit attitude Hard to disagree with most of that mate, but I'm pretty sure that Choupo has a reputation for seeing his contracts out and being a pretty stand-up guy. I also think that he's actually a decent player, when he's been on it we've looked much better, just unfortunate that he's been injured when most needed...
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Post by stokierich on Apr 25, 2018 12:37:07 GMT
He should and hopefully will in the summer step down and let Coates Jnr take over. The last two seasons have be awful but all could of been easily avoided with the right leadership at the top of the club. You can blame and point your finger at others but the buck stops with him, all the disastrous decisions have happened under his watch when we needed strong leadership he's been left wanting. Will always be grateful for what he's done since buying the club back but like everything in life, time catches up with you. Dave Whelan made the decision step down as Wigan chairman at 78 and passed the torch over to his grandson and with Peter Coates 81 next January I'm hoping he'll be looking/advised to do the same. At what point does Coates decide Jonathan Coates is too old and he may as well pass the heirloom to his grandson instead? Jon Coates is the Prince Charles of the operation isn't he. Caught between the two stools of wanting to be king asap but not wanting his parents to die. On about running a football club. John Coates will take over once Peter Coates steps down, that's well documented from Peter himself. It's just when not if. Not sure what the Royal family has to do with it
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 25, 2018 12:38:28 GMT
So what are you suggesting then, that Hughes had Berahino forced upon him? If you want to call it that, but if you're a Manager and you give a lsit in with 5 strikers and they come back and say its a 'no' from 1-5 we can't get them but we can get you "this bloke" he's got potential, one time England under 23 etc etc blah blah. You need a striker so you say ok or you say this is shit I've told you I need my top targets I'm out of here, out of work and with no pay off for quitting instead of being sacked. I'm saying Hughes just got fed up post Shaquiri of them not getting his top targets to improve and push on and 'went with the flow' 'made do with what he had' which is now clear wasn't good enough, I'm not excusing Hughes for his tactics and decisions in the latter part of his reign though he should have had more conviction and pushed for better. The only way we'll ever know the truth though is if Hughes or someone else leaving the club blows the lid of it!!! We chased Berahino for THREE windows, offering £20 million for him in the first window that we tried, you don't pursue a player to that extent if your manager doesn't want him. If we did do, then we might as well all go home now because the Marx Brothers would make a better fist of it all.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 25, 2018 12:45:51 GMT
So what are you suggesting then, that Hughes had Berahino forced upon him? If you want to call it that, but if you're a Manager and you give a lsit in with 5 strikers and they come back and say its a 'no' from 1-5 we can't get them but we can get you "this bloke" he's got potential, one time England under 23 etc etc blah blah. You need a striker so you say ok or you say this is shit I've told you I need my top targets I'm out of here, out of work and with no pay off for quitting instead of being sacked. I'm saying Hughes just got fed up post Shaquiri of them not getting his top targets to improve and push on and 'went with the flow' 'made do with what he had' which is now clear wasn't good enough, I'm not excusing Hughes for his tactics and decisions in the latter part of his reign though he should have had more conviction and pushed for better. The only way we'll ever know the truth though is if Hughes or someone else leaving the club blows the lid of it!!! So you're saying that Hughes had no input into transfers beyond the list put in front of him? Behave yourself. That isn't how it works.
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Post by chayzenbacon on Apr 25, 2018 13:00:49 GMT
From my experience of life when people hit there seventies let alone eighties making decisions becomes harder and harder and they like routine and no change. Is this what we have seen with an aging chairman who has clearly not reacted to whats been happening in the club for the past two years? Clearly he wanted to appoint a shambolic manager like Lambert because he said what he wanted to hear and thats comforting to hear rather than take a chance on someone who may have been a bit more radical. Thank you Mr Coates for all you have done but and a big but our club can't be run like it has been any longer and insticts have to be followed and not false loyalty. Loyalty is a trait of a bygone era and his genertaion to be fair but not one you can afford in modern football. How the hell can anyone consdier keeping Lambert on with his track record - ludicrous. This club needs to sweep aside the losing mentality it has and a big shake up It seems that ageism is the sole remaining "ism" that people feel able to express without fear of censure. There will be people of 70 plus who fit your patronising description and there will be many more that do not. Many cultures around the world revere their elders and turn to them for advice. In this country they are written off by many as senile old duffers. Some of the comments on this forum about Peter Coates disgust me but they reflect a widely held view which is also prevalent in the Brexit debate. I'm just off to piss on my slippers now....
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Post by drfishy on Apr 25, 2018 13:38:11 GMT
I'm not keen on Lambert, and his record (and some of his decisions) don't do anything to make me change my mind, but I can accept Coates wanting to keep him (it is his money -and whilst we all may want this and that, unless one of us has millions to spend we have to accept his decisions (and in the most part thank him for getting us to the so called promised land and the last 10 years).
As for the 3 big failures Hughes has landed us with, I can sort of accept in part his decisions. He wanted a defensive midfielder and Imbula was chosen to do that, and did show glimpses of what he can do - but for whatever reason (no friends, too cold) he didn't come good. Berahino again was worth a punt(and at £12m most thought he was a fair buy), and if he had managed to get a goal early on who knows what might have been. Now I pray we can just get rid. Wimmer - is the one I fail to understand. I have no idea why we spent an entire window chasing BMI, had taken Zouma on loan and then for some reason got fatboy for a record fee to strengthen in a position we didn't need to. That was madness.
As such, you could say Cartwright has done his job and the system is working, and lay all the blame at Hughes door. Apart from the big six and Everton all teams have their time in the Premier League and either struggle and drop and (over) achieve a couple of mid-table seasons and then believe the hype , over stretch for the next level and then drop. I believe even Leicester will do something similar(although their best year was a bloody title!) and in a years may drop back into the championship.
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Post by cousindupree on Apr 25, 2018 14:08:45 GMT
Peter's son John is likely to take over the Chairmanship (or at the very least least the major decision making) from his dad for next season, I would have thought. That is probably a decent call. When you think about when Coates took over in 2006 he had a genuine drive and determination to see us back in the top flight and huge credit to him that he got us there. His expectations would have been similar to most fans...cup run wembley appearance and maybe even Europe. Under his chairmanship we have achieved all that. He ambition had to be diluted after meeting those aspirations and he probably doesn't think we can achieve anything better so why not call it a day. If John does take over at least it is some change at the top and that needs to happen. I am a touch sceptical about how he will do. Cartwright has been his drinking buddy now for some time and John was instrumental in getting him the job at SCFC so we will be stuck with him for some time to come sadly. Also if he sanctioned the appointment of Lambert that has to be a worry. It may well be...'meet the new boss, same as the old boss'.
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Post by george2again on Apr 25, 2018 14:36:14 GMT
Peter's son John is likely to take over the Chairmanship (or at the very least least the major decision making) from his dad for next season, I would have thought. Has to be john's turn next season Davesviews as chairman - interesting posts in August.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Apr 25, 2018 14:45:55 GMT
Has to be john's turn next season Davesviews as chairman - interesting posts in August. John isn't old enough to have watched Stoke in the 50s
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Post by Clayton Wood on Apr 25, 2018 15:13:36 GMT
If you want to call it that, but if you're a Manager and you give a lsit in with 5 strikers and they come back and say its a 'no' from 1-5 we can't get them but we can get you "this bloke" he's got potential, one time England under 23 etc etc blah blah. You need a striker so you say ok or you say this is shit I've told you I need my top targets I'm out of here, out of work and with no pay off for quitting instead of being sacked. I'm saying Hughes just got fed up post Shaquiri of them not getting his top targets to improve and push on and 'went with the flow' 'made do with what he had' which is now clear wasn't good enough, I'm not excusing Hughes for his tactics and decisions in the latter part of his reign though he should have had more conviction and pushed for better. The only way we'll ever know the truth though is if Hughes or someone else leaving the club blows the lid of it!!! We chased Berahino for THREE windows, offering £20 million for him in the first window that we tried, you don't pursue a player to that extent if your manager doesn't want him. If we did do, then we might as well all go home now because the Marx Brothers would make a better fist of it all. Here's he nub of it for me. We know Hughes chased Berahino for 3 windows. We know that towards the end of that chase the club were aware of his drugs ban ( Stoke City were “aware” of Berahino drugs ban when he signed for club, admits Mark Hughes ) before he signed. At that point it's no longer just the managers call to rubberstamp the deal on ability grounds. Given the information that non playing issues were known to the club the 'process' which apparently is fine, should have raised that to the appropriate level. Now whether that is CEO or Chairman is open to debate, I think given the shit storm that developed once the news was leaked (and could have been reasonably foreseen to leak) then the appropriate level is Chairman, it's his club and its reputation. Either way, if the information of off field issues was available to the manager then why a) was it not equally available to the CEO/DF or b) if it was available to the CEO/DF and potentially the chairman then the decision to sign the player should not have been left to the sole discretion of the manager. The managers job, in this kind of set up with a DF/recruitment system, is not to do due diligence. So, in this case Hughes should have only approved the deal on ability grounds, the rest must/should have been approved by the appropriate level of authority. And worse PC appears to lay the whole blame at the door of the departed manager (who should have gone last summer but that's a different can of worms)
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 25, 2018 15:35:33 GMT
We chased Berahino for THREE windows, offering £20 million for him in the first window that we tried, you don't pursue a player to that extent if your manager doesn't want him. If we did do, then we might as well all go home now because the Marx Brothers would make a better fist of it all. Here's he nub of it for me. We know Hughes chased Berahino for 3 windows. We know that towards the end of that chase the club were aware of his drugs ban ( Stoke City were “aware” of Berahino drugs ban when he signed for club, admits Mark Hughes ) before he signed. At that point it's no longer just the managers call to rubberstamp the deal on ability grounds. Given the information that non playing issues were known to the club the 'process' which apparently is fine, should have raised that to the appropriate level. Now whether that is CEO or Chairman is open to debate, I think given the shit storm that developed once the news was leaked (and could have been reasonably foreseen to leak) then the appropriate level is Chairman, it's his club and its reputation. Either way, if the information of off field issues was available to the manager then why a) was it not equally available to the CEO/DF or b) if it was available to the CEO/DF and potentially the chairman then the decision to sign the player should not have been left to the sole discretion of the manager. The managers job, in this kind of set up with a DF/recruitment system, is not to do due diligence. So, in this case Hughes should have only approved the deal on ability grounds, the rest must/should have been approved by the appropriate level of authority. And worse PC appears to lay the whole blame at the door of the departed manager (who should have gone last summer but that's a different can of worms) That's a very good point CW. And simply smacks of Coates attempting to pull the wool over everybody elses eyes. The bit I don't get is ... why do it? Or can he genuinely not see it? Which is probably even worse.
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Post by bigcashprizes on Apr 25, 2018 15:45:27 GMT
I don’t think he can see it.
Nor can he also see that the sum total of Lambert’s tactical nous involves jiggling a pair of imaginary tits and waving his arms about.
Not saying the family needs to fuck off, but I don’t trust Peter anymore
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Post by Clayton Wood on Apr 25, 2018 15:57:54 GMT
Here's he nub of it for me. We know Hughes chased Berahino for 3 windows. We know that towards the end of that chase the club were aware of his drugs ban ( Stoke City were “aware” of Berahino drugs ban when he signed for club, admits Mark Hughes ) before he signed. At that point it's no longer just the managers call to rubberstamp the deal on ability grounds. Given the information that non playing issues were known to the club the 'process' which apparently is fine, should have raised that to the appropriate level. Now whether that is CEO or Chairman is open to debate, I think given the shit storm that developed once the news was leaked (and could have been reasonably foreseen to leak) then the appropriate level is Chairman, it's his club and its reputation. Either way, if the information of off field issues was available to the manager then why a) was it not equally available to the CEO/DF or b) if it was available to the CEO/DF and potentially the chairman then the decision to sign the player should not have been left to the sole discretion of the manager. The managers job, in this kind of set up with a DF/recruitment system, is not to do due diligence. So, in this case Hughes should have only approved the deal on ability grounds, the rest must/should have been approved by the appropriate level of authority. And worse PC appears to lay the whole blame at the door of the departed manager (who should have gone last summer but that's a different can of worms) That's a very good point CW. And simply smacks of Coates attempting to pull the wool over everybody elses eyes. The bit I don't get is ... why do it? Or can he genuinely not see it? Which is probably even worse. I know Paul, it's either an unfortunate mess or backside covering. Neither are really palatable. Take the Jese deal. Is/was he technically able to undertake the role (forget the Arnie part in it)? Hughes must have said yes. But we never found out as he was sat by his son's bedside most of the time, all well known to the 'process' before signing the loan. We took a punt and it failed, Hughes didn't botch that one either, though he's not come out of this mess without criticism, but at least fire the bullets at the right target? (Need a bit of rose tinted history at the end of this awful season, mate )
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Post by waffles on Apr 25, 2018 15:59:58 GMT
That's it, then. Let's all go to work tomorrow and be absolutely wank at whatever we do. Carry on that wankness for years. See if we keep our jobs. I do okay thanks.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Apr 25, 2018 16:00:27 GMT
Here's he nub of it for me. We know Hughes chased Berahino for 3 windows. We know that towards the end of that chase the club were aware of his drugs ban ( Stoke City were “aware” of Berahino drugs ban when he signed for club, admits Mark Hughes ) before he signed. At that point it's no longer just the managers call to rubberstamp the deal on ability grounds. Given the information that non playing issues were known to the club the 'process' which apparently is fine, should have raised that to the appropriate level. Now whether that is CEO or Chairman is open to debate, I think given the shit storm that developed once the news was leaked (and could have been reasonably foreseen to leak) then the appropriate level is Chairman, it's his club and its reputation. Either way, if the information of off field issues was available to the manager then why a) was it not equally available to the CEO/DF or b) if it was available to the CEO/DF and potentially the chairman then the decision to sign the player should not have been left to the sole discretion of the manager. The managers job, in this kind of set up with a DF/recruitment system, is not to do due diligence. So, in this case Hughes should have only approved the deal on ability grounds, the rest must/should have been approved by the appropriate level of authority. And worse PC appears to lay the whole blame at the door of the departed manager (who should have gone last summer but that's a different can of worms) That's a very good point CW. And simply smacks of Coates attempting to pull the wool over everybody elses eyes. The bit I don't get is ... why do it? Or can he genuinely not see it? Which is probably even worse. There was a reason the ultra keen spurs dropped the chase for berahino, and it wasn’t the fee. They have a ‘technical director’ that actually did a bit of fact finding. It’s as simple as that, we have people at the club out of their depth/inept at their roles.
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Apr 25, 2018 16:10:14 GMT
There is absolutely no logical reason why Lambert should still be employed by us come the end of the season.
He's made a royal cock up during his time here.
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Post by robstokie on Apr 25, 2018 16:13:36 GMT
I’m sick of this bullshit “the manager had the final say on players” of course he did but I’ve no doubt he was putting forward a list of more high profile more expensive players to Scholes and Carto and they couldn’t or wouldn’t land them leaving lesser players for Hughes to ‘ok’. He’d got to have ‘some’ new faces in to try to freshen things up I’ve no doubt he was becoming more disillusioned over the last 18 months but he’s not going to quit and lose money he’s going to carrry on regardless. For me there are two indicators if you look back to prove Hughes wasn’t always spotting/pushing for players: Pieters was coming through the door as Pulis was leaving and Hughes was coming in so someone authorised that deal behind a managers back either the outgoing or incoming. I don’t believe Hughes chased Berahino for three windows and the 12 months after he signs sits in a press conference and says when asked why he isn’t playing him that “he doesn’t fit my system”. It’s bull Scholes/Carto no doubt ignored more high profile targets of Hughes choice only to get Berahino in as they thought they’d get him cheap and they could sell him on for treble the money if he started scoring again and it’s backfired spectacularly. If Coates thinks these people can bring us back including Lambert he’s deluded and fooling himself, I can see it now in 6-12 months they’ll be paying Lambert up and we will have another load of garbage to try and shift on It needs a clear out top to bottom and a restart Agree, but it won't be another load of garbage - it will be the same old faces in my opinion - the likes of Johnson, Adam, Ireland, Berahino etc...
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Post by bigcashprizes on Apr 25, 2018 16:25:06 GMT
There is absolutely no logical reason why Lambert should still be employed by us come the end of the season. He's made a royal cock up during his time here. An absolute clown
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 25, 2018 16:27:56 GMT
There is absolutely no logical reason why Lambert should still be employed by us come the end of the season. He's made a royal cock up during his time here. Coates doesn't do logical just comical.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 25, 2018 16:30:54 GMT
There is absolutely no logical reason why Lambert should still be employed by us come the end of the season. He's made a royal cock up during his time here. An absolute clown A dreadful appointment now the old duffer is going to keep him here next season, who else rewards outright failure ? What a fucking ball's up they are making of running the club.
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