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Post by xchpotter on Mar 7, 2019 18:31:35 GMT
The faux outrage will last a few weeks and die down again. The thing is, this stuff doesn’t affect the establishment so they aren’t that bothered. Until the nearest and dearest or May, the judiciary or anyone famous are directly affected nothing will change. You do know that you can go to jail for carrying a knife and even the lowest offence of violence...but, no one does and so consequently there is no deterrent at all. Just look in the crime section of the Sentinel. You have to go some to get jail.
No doubt the Government will announce some headline measures, but they will be quickly watered down and forgotten once the solicitiors get hold of them and realise there is money to be made gettting some piece of shit off with it.
Personally, if these drug or gang lot want to kill each other then crack on as long as it doesn’t affect innocent passers by. Other than that, I’m afraid the public are on their own. The police are doing what they can, but the criminal justice system does nothing to protect the public.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 7, 2019 18:44:23 GMT
In April 2018 it was the murder capital of the western world, seems that in the 11 months since it has spread all over he country though, I wonder why that is ? not slimy Sadiq's obviously. Knife crime has been rising pretty much since the police cuts have closed a shed load of the police stations all over the country. No, nothing to do with Khan. No matter what that racist prick Katie Hopkins says. Actually there is a tweet from Sadiq in 2015 proudly talking about how he is cutting the use of stop and search which will have contributed equally the police and mayor say they have no money yet they set up the hurty feelings task force to investigate people saying mean things on the internet. No easy answers but plenty of people in power doing very little to solve the problem.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Mar 7, 2019 19:19:37 GMT
So are you denying that there are people who are brought up in the same area with the same social economic background are law abiding citizens Maybe be there is more crimes In poorer areas as there also tends to be a much higher population I’m quite sure that the people of stoke and Norfolk where I reside would love the amount of money spent on are schools and youth services as they spend in London per pupil Cornwall is one of the poorest areas in this country poorer than a lot of London boroughs What’s the rate of stabbings and violent crime in Cornwall I appreciate you agreeing with me about my original point. To compare Cornwall or Stoke with London relative to knife crime, then you have to talk about the science of criminology. Population mass , economic , age and ethnic diversity all contribute to the types of crime committed . Crime is a constant (throughout time). I would suggest that a lot of knife-crime has a 'cultural-element' that has been introduced into the UK from overseas. That's why it's much more prevalent in London, Birmingham, Manchester etc And criminology isn't a science..it's underpinned by sociological models of society which are inherently Marxist.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 7, 2019 19:20:51 GMT
“Cut a few fingers off” Great, let’s bring back beheading as well. Maybe throw cabbages at the peasents while we’re at it! The only plus point for introducing Sharia law in the UK !, perhaps we could cherry pick that bit and introduce it asap
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Post by hoffgreen on Mar 7, 2019 19:22:07 GMT
You only have to look at the names (which are mostly foreign sounding) and photos to realise where the problem is, it's not rocket science..... if you import the third world you will eventually become the third world with it's low regard for human life.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 7, 2019 19:24:43 GMT
Knife crime has been rising pretty much since the police cuts have closed a shed load of the police stations all over the country. No, nothing to do with Khan. No matter what that racist prick Katie Hopkins says. Actually there is a tweet from Sadiq in 2015 proudly talking about how he is cutting the use of stop and search which will have contributed equally the police and mayor say they have no money yet they set up the hurty feelings task force to investigate people saying mean things on the internet. No easy answers but plenty of people in power doing very little to solve the problem. Tiptoeing around the real heart of the issue is a massive part of the problem, we need to grasp the nettle sort out the knife cultured carrying individuals and their cultures, if it walks like a duck quack's like a duck why are we treating it like a chicken.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Mar 7, 2019 19:36:52 GMT
“Cut a few fingers off” Great, let’s bring back beheading as well. Maybe throw cabbages at the peasents while we’re at it! The only plus point for introducing Sharia law in the UK !, perhaps we could cherry pick that bit and introduce it asap Keep hold of the cabbages though.
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Post by prettything on Mar 7, 2019 20:19:05 GMT
I appreciate you agreeing with me about my original point. To compare Cornwall or Stoke with London relative to knife crime, then you have to talk about the science of criminology. Population mass , economic , age and ethnic diversity all contribute to the types of crime committed . Crime is a constant (throughout time). I would suggest that a lot of knife-crime has a 'cultural-element' that has been introduced into the UK from overseas. That's why it's much more prevalent in London, Birmingham, Manchester etc And criminology isn't a science..it's underpinned by sociological models of society which are inherently Marxist. Criminology is a social science. It’s a science. I’m not going there with you for the last bit.
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Post by prettything on Mar 7, 2019 20:20:18 GMT
“Cut a few fingers off” Great, let’s bring back beheading as well. Maybe throw cabbages at the peasents while we’re at it! The only plus point for introducing Sharia law in the UK !, perhaps we could cherry pick that bit and introduce it asap 😂. You do talk crap, crapslinger.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 20:44:49 GMT
Actually there is a tweet from Sadiq in 2015 proudly talking about how he is cutting the use of stop and search which will have contributed equally the police and mayor say they have no money yet they set up the hurty feelings task force to investigate people saying mean things on the internet. No easy answers but plenty of people in power doing very little to solve the problem. Tiptoeing around the real heart of the issue is a massive part of the problem, we need to grasp the nettle sort out the knife cultured carrying individuals and their cultures, if it walks like a duck quack's like a duck why are we treating it like a chicken. Don't understand the Nettle part.. however I would like to see the names of.. Who stabbed the Victims & the name of the Victims..how many would be called Clive, Chris, John, Dave,Sydney,Eric,Alan,Claire, ..and moving it forward..Ariana etc?
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Post by Rick Grimes on Mar 7, 2019 21:17:49 GMT
The faux outrage will last a few weeks and die down again. The thing is, this stuff doesn’t affect the establishment so they aren’t that bothered. Until the nearest and dearest or May, the judiciary or anyone famous are directly affected nothing will change. You do know that you can go to jail for carrying a knife and even the lowest offence of violence...but, no one does and so consequently there is no deterrent at all. Just look in the crime section of the Sentinel. You have to go some to get jail. No doubt the Government will announce some headline measures, but they will be quickly watered down and forgotten once the solicitiors get hold of them and realise there is money to be made gettting some piece of shit off with it. Personally, if these drug or gang lot want to kill each other then crack on as long as it doesn’t affect innocent passers by. Other than that, I’m afraid the public are on their own. The police are doing what they can, but the criminal justice system does nothing to protect the public. Yep there’s only so much the police can do and the government can’t solve it either. I’d wager that the vast majority of those involved come from single parent households.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 7, 2019 21:26:23 GMT
Just a matter of hours since Don Mullen told us that an interaction with an inspiration (our inspiration) steered him away from a life of violent crime, we're saying that access to role models and inspirational people can't help this tragic situation? Scoff at the old fashioned phrase, 'youth clubs' all you like but it is being used a generic term for all types of support. For shared interests, for something to do. Most of the people involved in these incidents aren't opting out of the norms of society, they have nothing to opt in to. No prospects, no future other than being manipulated by unscrupulous wankers in street dealing gangs.
The lack of Police on the ground is an obvious cause, only a moron would deny it but the solution is more holistic and it involves investment in opportunities and more education for youth. Then again that will take a few more pence from the pockets of the wealthy so unfortunately in 2019 Britain, the slaughter will just have to continue.
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 7, 2019 21:32:44 GMT
I appreciate you agreeing with me about my original point. To compare Cornwall or Stoke with London relative to knife crime, then you have to talk about the science of criminology. Population mass , economic , age and ethnic diversity all contribute to the types of crime committed . criminology isn't a science..it's underpinned by sociological models of society which are inherently Marxist. But just like crime, which has travelled with us through time like the Tardis, so has society. We brought it with us in the Tardis from way back when we was apes. I don’t think Marx was about back then, I didn’t see him...
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 7, 2019 21:40:50 GMT
Tiptoeing around the real heart of the issue is a massive part of the problem, we need to grasp the nettle sort out the knife cultured carrying individuals and their cultures, if it walks like a duck quack's like a duck why are we treating it like a chicken. Don't understand the Nettle part.. however I would like to see the names of.. Who stabbed the Victims & the name of the Victims..how many would be called Clive, Chris, John, Dave,Sydney,Eric,Alan,Claire, ..and moving it forward..Ariana etc? Indeed so would I particularly since 2018 when London became the murder capital of the world, the names don't appear to be easy to find on the net, not sure there would be a large number of Smith and Jones though especially on the perpetrator's list
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 7, 2019 21:40:56 GMT
Most of the people involved in these incidents aren't opting out of the norms of society, they have nothing to opt in to. No prospects, no future other than being manipulated by unscrupulous wankers in street dealing gangs. Society & community got in the way of the new order... Society & community became too costly. Then coppers became too costly. Where will it all end...
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 7, 2019 21:55:01 GMT
Most of the people involved in these incidents aren't opting out of the norms of society, they have nothing to opt in to. No prospects, no future other than being manipulated by unscrupulous wankers in street dealing gangs. Society & community got in the way of the new order... Society & community became too costly. Then coppers became too costly. Where will it all end... This was certainly day one of where we are now, bath.
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 7, 2019 22:25:34 GMT
Society & community got in the way of the new order... Society & community became too costly. Then coppers became too costly. Where will it all end... This was certainly day one of where we are now, bath. She really was way ahead of her time wasn't she?
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Post by kelw on Mar 7, 2019 23:21:14 GMT
No one has yet to explain how having a few extra police on duty will stop people from getting stabbed in these incidents in a huge city. To be fair though they only cost £300 pounds a year each.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 7, 2019 23:29:18 GMT
Most of the people involved in these incidents aren't opting out of the norms of society, they have nothing to opt in to. No prospects, no future other than being manipulated by unscrupulous wankers in street dealing gangs. Society & community got in the way of the new order... Society & community became too costly. Then coppers became too costly. Where will it all end... Venezuela eating zoo animals the socialist Utopia.
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 8, 2019 7:15:40 GMT
Society & community got in the way of the new order... Society & community became too costly. Then coppers became too costly. Where will it all end... This was certainly day one of where we are now, bath. Worth reading the words before and after that infamous line.. “I think we’ve been through a period where too many people have been given to understand that if they have a problem, it’s the government’s job to cope with it. ‘I have a problem, I’ll get a grant.’ ‘I’m homeless, the government must house me.’ They’re casting their problem on society. And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It’s our duty to look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations. There’s no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation.” If you read AlexI Sayle's second biographical tome "Thatcher stole my trousers" you'll find he espouses similar sentiments.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 8, 2019 8:13:29 GMT
This was certainly day one of where we are now, bath. Worth reading the words before and after that infamous line.. “I think we’ve been through a period where too many people have been given to understand that if they have a problem, it’s the government’s job to cope with it. ‘I have a problem, I’ll get a grant.’ ‘I’m homeless, the government must house me.’ They’re casting their problem on society. And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It’s our duty to look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations. There’s no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation.” If you read AlexI Sayle's second biographical tome "Thatcher stole my trousers" you'll find he espouses similar sentiments. Oh, there's a logic to it pp. It's brutal an heartless but entirely logical.
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 8, 2019 8:25:39 GMT
Worth reading the words before and after that infamous line.. “I think we’ve been through a period where too many people have been given to understand that if they have a problem, it’s the government’s job to cope with it. ‘I have a problem, I’ll get a grant.’ ‘I’m homeless, the government must house me.’ They’re casting their problem on society. And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It’s our duty to look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations. There’s no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation.” If you read AlexI Sayle's second biographical tome "Thatcher stole my trousers" you'll find he espouses similar sentiments. Oh, there's a logic to it pp. It's brutal an heartless but entirely logical. Actually what she said, on that occasion, was neither brutal or heartless. Clumsy, yes. But the point she was making was a good one. Endorsed, as mentioned, by no less a person than Alexi Sayle!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 8, 2019 9:23:36 GMT
Oh, there's a logic to it pp. It's brutal an heartless but entirely logical. Actually what she said, on that occasion, was neither brutal or heartless. Clumsy, yes. But the point she was making was a good one. Endorsed, as mentioned, by no less a person than Alexi Sayle! "I’m homeless, the government must house me" Yes they fucking should. One person sleeping rough, starving to death, in one of the richest economies in the world is an absolute crime against humanity. Where is the talk of the safety net? What this nasty sentiment started was a dark competitive edge which espoused ‘fuck my neighbour’ It gave birth to poverty porn and the sick and the needy being the problem and not a symptom of the problem.
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 8, 2019 9:42:33 GMT
Actually what she said, on that occasion, was neither brutal or heartless. Clumsy, yes. But the point she was making was a good one. Endorsed, as mentioned, by no less a person than Alexi Sayle! "I’m homeless, the government must house me" Yes they fucking should. One person sleeping rough, starving to death, in one of the richest economies in the world is an absolute crime against humanity. Where is the talk of the safety net? What this nasty sentiment started was a dark competitive edge which espoused ‘fuck my neighbour’ It gave birth to poverty porn and the sick and the needy being the problem and not a symptom of the problem. Now you are just being silly. I'd suggest reading Poverty Safari for an interesting apolitical view of poverty.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 8, 2019 9:46:05 GMT
"I’m homeless, the government must house me" Yes they fucking should. One person sleeping rough, starving to death, in one of the richest economies in the world is an absolute crime against humanity. Where is the talk of the safety net? What this nasty sentiment started was a dark competitive edge which espoused ‘fuck my neighbour’ It gave birth to poverty porn and the sick and the needy being the problem and not a symptom of the problem. Now you are just being silly. I'd suggest reading Poverty Safari for an interesting apolitical view of poverty. I'm sure it's a a nicely phrased right wing justification of why it needs to exist.
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 8, 2019 10:33:21 GMT
Now you are just being silly. I'd suggest reading Poverty Safari for an interesting apolitical view of poverty. I'm sure it's a a nicely phrased right wing justification of why it needs to exist. Hardly. Check it out.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 8, 2019 10:55:24 GMT
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Mar 8, 2019 11:25:03 GMT
More interesting thoughts on the topic of poverty.
Bregman recently gained notoriety for challenging the Davos meeting regarding their record on tax avoidance. He also caused Tucker Carlson to launch a load of expletives at him off camera. Fox buried to footage only for it to be leaked all over social media.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 8, 2019 11:59:20 GMT
Source: Home Office
Knife crime tends to be more prevalent in large cities, particularly in London.
For every 100,000 people in the capital, there were 168 knife offences in 2017-18, with separate figures, from the mayor's office, showing that young black and minority ethnic teenage boys and men were disproportionately affected, as both victims and perpetrators.
Seems to be an issue amongst the young BME communities, stop and search has fallen dramatically since Mr Khan took the role as mayor which he has instigated.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Mar 8, 2019 12:14:54 GMT
Source: Home Office
Knife crime tends to be more prevalent in large cities, particularly in London.
For every 100,000 people in the capital, there were 168 knife offences in 2017-18, with separate figures, from the mayor's office, showing that young black and minority ethnic teenage boys and men were disproportionately affected, as both victims and perpetrators.
Seems to be an issue amongst the young BME communities, stop and search has fallen dramatically since Mr Khan took the role as mayor which he has instigated.
Stop and Search fell from 600,000 in 2009 to 140,000 by 2016. Khan was elected in May 2016. 17/18 accounted for 134,000 stop and searches. So who did it fall most dramatically under? Khan, or Boris? Sources: fullfact.org/crime/stop-and-search-england-and-wales/ www.stop-watch.org/your-area/area/metropolitan
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