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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 14, 2018 11:42:34 GMT
If the view that the stumbling block was we wanted the reduce QSF wages in the event we go down . Key questions for CEO
1 Why was that not resolved in the early stages of the negotiation .why did we allow such strong global media coverage when we hadn’t secured the basic agreement of salary ,surely the most fundamental contractual element, why was this described as a loose end even 24 hours before a proposed announcement . 2 Given relegation is Very clearly on the cards why do you think Any manager of calibre would agree to accept a penalty for a relegation he didn’t cause . 3 What does this suggest about our financial resolve to return to the premier league when we are relegated . 4 Can you see that self sufficiency is now a busted flush having cost us our premier league status and the manager of the boards choice . 5 Who will be accountable for the failure of the succession planning to identify a manager willing to take on the job on our terms . 6 Do you believe Newcastie reduced Benitez salary in similar circumstances . 7 why would any manager now accept less than a five year term 8 is the much vaunted budget based on sell to buy . 9 where are you leaving your car keys and do you need a taxi home
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Post by hanibal7 on Jan 14, 2018 12:33:36 GMT
If the view that the stumbling block was we wanted the reduce QSF wages in the event we go down . Key questions for CEO 1 Why was that not resolved in the early stages of the negotiation .why did we allow such strong global media coverage when we hadn’t secured the basic agreement of salary ,surely the most fundamental contractual element, why was this described as a loose end even 24 hours before a proposed announcement . 2 Given relegation is Very clearly on the cards why do you think Any manager of calibre would agree to accept a penalty for a relegation he didn’t cause . 3 What does this suggest about our financial resolve to return to the premier league when we are relegated . 4 Can you see that self sufficiency is now a busted flush having cost us our premier league status and the manager of the boards choice . 5 Who will be accountable for the failure of the succession planning to identify a manager willing to take on the job on our terms . 6 Do you believe Newcastie reduced Benitez salary in similar circumstances . 7 why would any manager now accept less than a five year term 8 is the much vaunted budget based on sell to buy . 9 where are you leaving your car keys and do you need a taxi home errrrrrrrr, snore, boring
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Post by miggoscfc on Jan 14, 2018 12:42:46 GMT
If the view that the stumbling block was we wanted the reduce QSF wages in the event we go down . Key questions for CEO 1 Why was that not resolved in the early stages of the negotiation .why did we allow such strong global media coverage when we hadn’t secured the basic agreement of salary ,surely the most fundamental contractual element, why was this described as a loose end even 24 hours before a proposed announcement . 2 Given relegation is Very clearly on the cards why do you think Any manager of calibre would agree to accept a penalty for a relegation he didn’t cause . 3 What does this suggest about our financial resolve to return to the premier league when we are relegated . 4 Can you see that self sufficiency is now a busted flush having cost us our premier league status and the manager of the boards choice . 5 Who will be accountable for the failure of the succession planning to identify a manager willing to take on the job on our terms . 6 Do you believe Newcastie reduced Benitez salary in similar circumstances . 7 why would any manager now accept less than a five year term 8 is the much vaunted budget based on sell to buy . 9 where are you leaving your car keys and do you need a taxi home That whole post is going off the assumption that we would lower his wages on relegation and I would be behind the club if they have made that decision. If we get relegated costs have to be reduced throughout the club. You can't pay premier league wages in the championship it's been the ruin of plenty of clubs.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 14, 2018 12:46:44 GMT
If the view that the stumbling block was we wanted the reduce QSF wages in the event we go down . Key questions for CEO 1 Why was that not resolved in the early stages of the negotiation .why did we allow such strong global media coverage when we hadn’t secured the basic agreement of salary ,surely the most fundamental contractual element, why was this described as a loose end even 24 hours before a proposed announcement . 2 Given relegation is Very clearly on the cards why do you think Any manager of calibre would agree to accept a penalty for a relegation he didn’t cause . 3 What does this suggest about our financial resolve to return to the premier league when we are relegated . 4 Can you see that self sufficiency is now a busted flush having cost us our premier league status and the manager of the boards choice . 5 Who will be accountable for the failure of the succession planning to identify a manager willing to take on the job on our terms . 6 Do you believe Newcastie reduced Benitez salary in similar circumstances . 7 why would any manager now accept less than a five year term 8 is the much vaunted budget based on sell to buy . 9 where are you leaving your car keys and do you need a taxi home That whole post is going off the assumption that we would lower his wages on relegation and I would be behind the club if they have made that decision. If we get relegated costs have to be reduced throughout the club. You can't pay premier league wages in the championship it's been the ruin of plenty of clubs. Allardyce and Benitez at West Ham and Newcastie suggest thats not the case if hit want to bounce back ASAP . The One role guy can’t afford to get wring is the manager he sets the tone
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Post by hanibal7 on Jan 14, 2018 12:47:19 GMT
I would! 😂 The same old things happen under his stewardship and he never learns. He's not the only one though, this club wreaks of arrogance at its upper echelons. Bayern all you do is criticise the club, it must cause much stress that you constantly have to attack those that work there and argue with 75% of posters on here that have a different opinion I'd suggest that you really are not enjoying being a supporter of this football club at the moment. You also suggested that you'd have sacked Hughes straight after the third 9th place finish which is the biggest success our club has ever achieved. (Hindsight is a wonderful thing isn't it) your either completely on the wind up and are posting just for the reaction or your expectations are way too high. If you really want a fulfilling life I'd suggest either lowering those expectations to those of the rest of us or try supporting a different club which can match those expectations I'd suggest Man City are the only club that could fulfill that for you at the moment. On your death bed do you really want to look back on your life only to see you spending 12 hours a day on the oatcake arguing about the imperfections of a club that is never going to be the club you want it to be ? I'd suggest taking a prolonged period of rest from the oatcake for your own health as the amount of moaning you do can't be good for you, think of the amount of good you could do if you put the hours of posting you do into something constructive in the real world, genuinely this is something I did last year and really noticed a change for the good because of it. Either that or apply to the club to work in these positions that you heavily criticise and for all of us that post on here go and show us that you can take us to that level that you seem to think is achievable. Either way fella good luck my personal opinion is that your on the wind up and post ridiculous things because you enjoy the strong reaction your not too dissimilar from Katie Hopkins in that regard, as a fellow stokie I hope you really take in some of the advice and take a long look in the mirror but I fear all I'm going to get is a sarcastic response. The man is a total fruit bat, and he has been nearly fully responsible of my name's of numbnuts, pissy panties, and knicker wetters.Probably being on the dole, feeling worthless might be the cause.
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Post by sutekh on Jan 14, 2018 12:50:51 GMT
I would gratefully embrace relegation if it meant the end for that mealy mouthed cuntwipe
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Post by miggoscfc on Jan 14, 2018 13:28:51 GMT
That whole post is going off the assumption that we would lower his wages on relegation and I would be behind the club if they have made that decision. If we get relegated costs have to be reduced throughout the club. You can't pay premier league wages in the championship it's been the ruin of plenty of clubs. Allardyce and Benitez at West Ham and Newcastie suggest thats not the case if hit want to bounce back ASAP . The One role guy can’t afford to get wring is the manager he sets the tone Incoherent. What I think your trying to say is that Newcastle and west ham haven't dropped salaries, again this is based on pure conjecture but even if they haven't they have bigger incomes and turnovers than us. We drop down a division and don't reduce costs we will be out of business within 2 years. We are a small club with small incomes and are not marketable outside of Stoke on trent once we drop.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 14, 2018 13:33:04 GMT
Allardyce and Benitez at West Ham and Newcastie suggest thats not the case if hit want to bounce back ASAP . The One role guy can’t afford to get wring is the manager he sets the tone Incoherent. What I think your trying to say is that Newcastle and west ham haven't dropped salaries, again this is based on pure conjecture but even if they haven't they have bigger incomes and turnovers than us. We drop down a division and don't reduce costs we will be out of business within 2 years. We are a small club with small incomes and are not marketable outside of Stoke on trent once we drop. We are owned by a business far more profitable than Newcastle or West Ham we won’t be going bust whatever , but whether we have the desire or capability to compete at this level or indeed the upper end of the championship remains to be seen
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Post by PottersBrim on Jan 14, 2018 13:33:04 GMT
If the view that the stumbling block was we wanted the reduce QSF wages in the event we go down . Key questions for CEO 1 Why was that not resolved in the early stages of the negotiation .why did we allow such strong global media coverage when we hadn’t secured the basic agreement of salary ,surely the most fundamental contractual element, why was this described as a loose end even 24 hours before a proposed announcement . 2 Given relegation is Very clearly on the cards why do you think Any manager of calibre would agree to accept a penalty for a relegation he didn’t cause . 3 What does this suggest about our financial resolve to return to the premier league when we are relegated . 4 Can you see that self sufficiency is now a busted flush having cost us our premier league status and the manager of the boards choice . 5 Who will be accountable for the failure of the succession planning to identify a manager willing to take on the job on our terms . 6 Do you believe Newcastie reduced Benitez salary in similar circumstances . 7 why would any manager now accept less than a five year term 8 is the much vaunted budget based on sell to buy . 9 where are you leaving your car keys and do you need a taxi home That whole post is going off the assumption that we would lower his wages on relegation and I would be behind the club if they have made that decision. If we get relegated costs have to be reduced throughout the club. You can't pay premier league wages in the championship it's been the ruin of plenty of clubs. Then why go for him? Why expect someone who manages a safe mid table side to jump at the chance of earning substantially less than they currently do in just 6 months time?
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Jan 14, 2018 13:34:03 GMT
But there is a world of difference to meeting up and sounding someone out and then agreeing contracts. Every contract I have negotiated has never needed a trip out to iron out loose ends. This is done during the initial discussions.. Once completed the contract is sent electronically and signed there and then, especially for someone we really want.... We don’t allow a period to allow them to change their mind, especially with the opportunity to allow us to be used as a bargaining tool for their present employer.... this process has a wing and prayer process written all over it and heads should roll as this has happened too frequently! I don't know your business or the type and size of contracts you negotiate but for sure they're not all handled as you say. I'm also based in Germany and negotiate global contracts based on German, Swiss and UK law. Some of these contracts have taken months to agree and certainly would not have been agreed without face to face discussions with the other parties, close to signature, in order to iron out a few loose ends. In my line of work, how I describe it above is the norm. We only draft the final contract once agreement is reached on all points. Both parties then take some time to review the final contract before signing. I can't see how SCFC has done anything unprofessionally here.[/ I do the same based on NA, UK, German, Dutch, Italian, ME and Singaporean law. I totally agree with what you say and it does work on similar lines (Oil & Gas sector) however the closure of contracts is much more succinct as time is of the essence. Perhaps it is my hot headedness in this (as I am looking at it from a fans perspective and not my usual calmness) and jumped on this quickly. We have to act quickly due to the competitive nature of the industry and that we are normally „poaching“ top talent. For us, the only delay is the authorisation from the US based Group CEO for contracts above mid range 6 figures. Of course the initial discussions can be more lengthy the higher you go, but loose ends are tied up before any contract is extended.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 14, 2018 13:38:03 GMT
That whole post is going off the assumption that we would lower his wages on relegation and I would be behind the club if they have made that decision. If we get relegated costs have to be reduced throughout the club. You can't pay premier league wages in the championship it's been the ruin of plenty of clubs. Then why go for him? Why expect someone who manages a safe mid table side to jump at the chance of earning substantially less than they currently do in just 6 months time? I'd get it if we're consistently careful with money but we're not. They'd rather spend 18m on Wimmer or 70k a week on Berahino / Imbula than an extra 20k a week on a manager that we apparently want who could change the image of the club overnight.
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Post by PottersBrim on Jan 14, 2018 13:41:51 GMT
Then why go for him? Why expect someone who manages a safe mid table side to jump at the chance of earning substantially less than they currently do in just 6 months time? I'd get it if we're consistently careful with money but we're not. They'd rather spend 18m on Wimmer or 70k a week on Berahino / Imbula than an extra 20k a week on a manager that we apparently want who could change the image of the club overnight. This is it. If Nixon is to be believed, it’s a 2.5 year deal. If we’d kept him on £3.5m pa rather than halving it under relegation it would have cost us £4m. Absolutely unbelievable that we have refused to do that two weeks into a window that could potentially cost us significantly more.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 14, 2018 13:46:34 GMT
I'd get it if we're consistently careful with money but we're not. They'd rather spend 18m on Wimmer or 70k a week on Berahino / Imbula than an extra 20k a week on a manager that we apparently want who could change the image of the club overnight. This is it. If Nixon is to be believed, it’s a 2.5 year deal. If we’d kept him on £3.5m pa rather than halving it under relegation it would have cost us £4m. Absolutely unbelievable that we have refused to do that two weeks into a window that could potentially cost us significantly more. If MON turns us down then we need to get back to Spain ASAP stop pissing around and offer him the extra money. Talk is cheap and all this ambitious 5 year plan and extra transfer money just seems like a load of hot air so that the board look good. It isn't washing.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 14, 2018 13:58:49 GMT
It’s pretty obvious there is no 5 year plan especially if it’s a 2.5 year deal cost again overriding the vision
Suspect the investment is also funded by sales self sufficiency is alive and well and will wreak its havoc before its either abandoned or we are settled in the lower leagues .
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 14, 2018 14:02:44 GMT
If the view that the stumbling block was we wanted the reduce QSF wages in the event we go down . Key questions for CEO 1 Why was that not resolved in the early stages of the negotiation .why did we allow such strong global media coverage when we hadn’t secured the basic agreement of salary ,surely the most fundamental contractual element, why was this described as a loose end even 24 hours before a proposed announcement . 2 Given relegation is Very clearly on the cards why do you think Any manager of calibre would agree to accept a penalty for a relegation he didn’t cause . 3 What does this suggest about our financial resolve to return to the premier league when we are relegated . 4 Can you see that self sufficiency is now a busted flush having cost us our premier league status and the manager of the boards choice . 5 Who will be accountable for the failure of the succession planning to identify a manager willing to take on the job on our terms . 6 Do you believe Newcastie reduced Benitez salary in similar circumstances . 7 why would any manager now accept less than a five year term 8 is the much vaunted budget based on sell to buy . 9 where are you leaving your car keys and do you need a taxi home That whole post is going off the assumption that we would lower his wages on relegation and I would be behind the club if they have made that decision. If we get relegated costs have to be reduced throughout the club. You can't pay premier league wages in the championship it's been the ruin of plenty of clubs. Nixon very clear now thats the issue , we talk but don’t walk the humiliation gets worse by the hour surely even scholes can see his credibility is shot for ever
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jan 14, 2018 14:03:58 GMT
Incoherent. What I think your trying to say is that Newcastle and west ham haven't dropped salaries, again this is based on pure conjecture but even if they haven't they have bigger incomes and turnovers than us. We drop down a division and don't reduce costs we will be out of business within 2 years. We are a small club with small incomes and are not marketable outside of Stoke on trent once we drop. We are owned by a business far more profitable than Newcastle or West Ham we won’t be going bust whatever , but whether we have the desire or capability to compete at this level or indeed the upper end of the championship remains to be seen Moyes rejected West Ham's salary offer a s being too high and asked fro and agreed to a lower basic and a higher bonus for staying up. he clearly backed himself to avoid being paid less after relegation. If QSF wasn't willing to do the same having been offered money to spend then he isn't the right man we need, seems blindingly obvious.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 14, 2018 14:14:28 GMT
We are owned by a business far more profitable than Newcastle or West Ham we won’t be going bust whatever , but whether we have the desire or capability to compete at this level or indeed the upper end of the championship remains to be seen Moyes rejected West Ham's salary offer a s being too high and asked fro and agreed to a lower basic and a higher bonus for staying up. he clearly backed himself to avoid being paid less after relegation. If QSF wasn't willing to do the same having been offered money to spend then he isn't the right man we need, seems blindingly obvious. As a matter of interest how Much do you think he was told we would invest and how was it funded I’d walk a mile if I was him headhunted and then told we are going to halve your Salary if our precious ineptitude results in relegation “ dipsticks thanks for coming I’ll stay where i am thanks “
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Post by miggoscfc on Jan 14, 2018 14:15:56 GMT
This is it. If Nixon is to be believed, it’s a 2.5 year deal. If we’d kept him on £3.5m pa rather than halving it under relegation it would have cost us £4m. Absolutely unbelievable that we have refused to do that two weeks into a window that could potentially cost us significantly more. If MON turns us down then we need to get back to Spain ASAP stop pissing around and offer him the extra money. Talk is cheap and all this ambitious 5 year plan and extra transfer money just seems like a load of hot air so that the board look good. It isn't washing. Cobs who says we didn't in the first place ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 14:19:54 GMT
Whole clusterfuck can be attributed to “senile old bugger chooses to fuck up the future of others by selfishly sticking to a doomed philosophy”. Remind all you Kippers of anything else?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 14, 2018 18:57:48 GMT
He's failed to get Martin O'Neill now apparently.
This is going well.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 19:05:23 GMT
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Post by canadianmoose on Jan 14, 2018 19:20:13 GMT
This is now public humiliation on a grand scale.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 19:28:23 GMT
He has just got back from Spain
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Post by simple on Jan 14, 2018 19:31:18 GMT
I don’t want any manager who is more concerned about the contract offered than the club.Iwant a manager who wants the job and worries about contracts after.
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Post by steino1966 on Jan 14, 2018 20:29:33 GMT
The board couldn't find their arse with both hands!
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Post by PottersBrim on Jan 14, 2018 20:31:34 GMT
There are piles of shit that would make a better job of selling the club to prospective managers than Tony Scholes.
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Post by bringmesunshine on Jan 14, 2018 20:49:30 GMT
Can he really keep his job, are the family that oblivious to the last 6 months of his incompetance, who next, Dario ?
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Post by toppercorner on Jan 14, 2018 20:52:26 GMT
gross negligence
P45 at the end of the season
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Post by Ex-term-oat-cake on Jan 15, 2018 1:04:47 GMT
One of the main reasons we have been left behind over the last 2 years is our repeated negotiation failures - players and staff.
It’s a farce.
Rowett, Shancez, O’Neill.
Makes you wonder what our management team do to put them off. Plus add in Hughes’ ability to turn promise (Imbula, Sobhi, Berahino) into loaned out failures and we have a perfect storm.
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Post by ibby on Jan 15, 2018 1:05:43 GMT
Its very easy to blame him.
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