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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 13, 2018 17:40:43 GMT
You're suggesting a bloke who is CEO and a director Wong have the authority to make a decision. If he doesn't that alone is enough for him to be sacked and for Coates to be questioned about how we do things. Depends on the decision required. CEO/director still has to answer to the rest of the board if he is in a minority> He would have been sent to get it sorted. Which is crazy given his previous ineptitude.
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Jan 13, 2018 17:43:03 GMT
A lot of people jump at every opportunity to throw abuse at Scholes, but what do we actually know about the job he is doing? I must say I really don't know anything, but the Coates family obviously rate his him so he must be doing something right! I'm more concerned with the abuse being chucked at Coates. None of us are happy about the current situation but we wouldnt even have had the chance to be getting arsey about relegation from the prem without him.
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Post by malteser68 on Jan 13, 2018 17:43:20 GMT
Scholes is useless, wank, crap
This club is a real shambles
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Post by nigerianstokie on Jan 13, 2018 17:45:36 GMT
This man is as good a reason as any to hate football right now. Fuck you Tony, fuck you indeed. You are incompetent. Fuck you
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 13, 2018 17:46:22 GMT
A lot of people jump at every opportunity to throw abuse at Scholes, but what do we actually know about the job he is doing? I must say I really don't know anything, but the Coates family obviously rate his him so he must be doing something right! I'm more concerned with the abuse being chucked at Coates. None of us are happy about the current situation but we wouldnt even have had the chance to be getting arsey about relegation from the prem without him. He's allowed this to happen. He was telling us in an arrogant manner that he didn't know what people were worrying about a month ago. At the present time Coates is a part of the problem at the club.
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 13, 2018 17:49:25 GMT
A lot of people jump at every opportunity to throw abuse at Scholes, but what do we actually know about the job he is doing? I must say I really don't know anything, but the Coates family obviously rate his him so he must be doing something right! I'm more concerned with the abuse being chucked at Coates. None of us are happy about the current situation but we wouldnt even have had the chance to be getting arsey about relegation from the prem without him. This..to a tee.
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Post by hstoke on Jan 13, 2018 17:57:16 GMT
A guy who I see at kids football seen Scholes at a business function n describe fuller as a “genius “ that’s as how far Is football knowledge goes ,I loved fuller but he was know messi or Ronaldo
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Post by Ygor on Jan 13, 2018 18:05:20 GMT
I'm more concerned with the abuse being chucked at Coates. None of us are happy about the current situation but we wouldnt even have had the chance to be getting arsey about relegation from the prem without him. He's allowed this to happen. He was telling us in an arrogant manner that he didn't know what people were worrying about a month ago. At the present time Coates is a part of the problem at the club. I agree. His indecision and inability to see there was a problem until it was to late will probably cost us dear. I don't deny his history in getting Stoke to the PL. But equally, I see him instrumental in maybe getting us back into the Championship. Successful people are not usually allowed to ply their trade on past glories. Unfortunately it's a treadmill where you have to follow success with success. You might be able to withstand the odd blip but cock ups of this proportion stick like shit to a blanket. There's still time to sort it out though but I suspect the price has now at least doubled with the public failure to recruit Flores. Meanwhile, the transfer window......
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 13, 2018 18:10:31 GMT
Scholes can't control everything, if he's changed his mind there's nothing you can do. As with any business negotiation and deal you make a commitment judgement and ascertain if your receiving compliance.... Where was that judgement on this and the other transfer fucks of past So its his fault the bloke said yes then changed his mind (this seems to be what happened but who knows), I get a lot don't like Scholes for no reason what so ever but this isn't something the club can be held accountable for unless some evidence comes out to the contrary.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 13, 2018 18:12:52 GMT
As with any business negotiation and deal you make a commitment judgement and ascertain if your receiving compliance.... Where was that judgement on this and the other transfer fucks of past So its his fault the bloke said yes then changed his mind (this seems to be what happened but who knows), I get a lot don't like Scholes for no reason what so ever but this isn't something the club can be held accountable for unless some evidence comes out to the contrary. No reason? Haha! Look at the BMI deal. A deal we had agreed he fucked up.
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Post by withingtonstokie on Jan 13, 2018 18:14:19 GMT
He's allowed this to happen. He was telling us in an arrogant manner that he didn't know what people were worrying about a month ago. At the present time Coates is a part of the problem at the club. I agree. His indecision and inability to see there was a problem until it was to late will probably cost us dear. I don't deny his history in getting Stoke to the PL. But equally, I see him instrumental in maybe getting us back into the Championship. Successful people are not usually allowed to ply their trade on past glories. Unfortunately it's a treadmill where you have to follow success with success. You might be able to withstand the odd blip but cock ups of this proportion stick like shit to a blanket. There's still time to sort it out though but I suspect the price has now at least doubled with the public failure to recruit Flores. Meanwhile, the transfer window...... For once I don’t think we can blame Scholes for this particular disaster but even so I will because it makes me feel better. With hindsight not sure why we (me included) were getting so excited for this guy who’s guided Espanyol to the heady heights of 14th in La Liga! Clearly he can’t be trusted and we’re better off without him. I feel better already. So, Slaven or Martin? What a choice...
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 13, 2018 18:27:48 GMT
Why were the club happy for the word to go out that this was a done deal???
They should have control of that situation
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Post by Ygor on Jan 13, 2018 18:31:35 GMT
I agree. His indecision and inability to see there was a problem until it was to late will probably cost us dear. I don't deny his history in getting Stoke to the PL. But equally, I see him instrumental in maybe getting us back into the Championship. Successful people are not usually allowed to ply their trade on past glories. Unfortunately it's a treadmill where you have to follow success with success. You might be able to withstand the odd blip but cock ups of this proportion stick like shit to a blanket. There's still time to sort it out though but I suspect the price has now at least doubled with the public failure to recruit Flores. Meanwhile, the transfer window...... For once I don’t think we can blame Scholes for this particular disaster but even so I will because it makes me feel better. With hindsight not sure why we (me included) were getting so excited for this guy who’s guided Espanyol to the heady heights of 14th in La Liga! Clearly he can’t be trusted and we’re better off without him. I feel better already. So, Slaven or Martin? What a choice... And who is it that appoints and tolerates Mr Scholes?
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Post by doitforfrank on Jan 13, 2018 18:40:54 GMT
Scholes is arrogant and overpaid. Truth is, he did us proud when we were in the championship, but now, football has moved on and he is a very small fish swimming with sharks.
Were nearly not premier league on the pitch and off the pitch we are touch and go championship, as CEO the everyday decisions are down to him, marketing, media etc, and after the last few weeks his position is as untenable as Hughes' was.
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Post by tuum on Jan 13, 2018 18:53:19 GMT
Doesn't matter if QSF had given the club lip service last night. It happens all the time. There were enough pain points for Scholes to get him over the line. And it hasn't happened. He's a fucking shambles and this proves it more than any other deal. Before anyone comes back at me, we're a stable club in the Premier League. It isn't hard to sell us to big name players on their way down I.e. Arnie, Shaqiri, Afellay, Bojan ..all the time? I belive Stoke are pretty good in their negotations. They have their red lines and I think they stick to them. Currently we are not a stable club in the Premier League. We are in the bottom three and in disarray. I think the club's vision of youth development and self sufficiency is correct. Have we spunked a load of money on shit transfers? Yes. Whose fault was that? Hughes probably. Cartwright and Scholes ...possibly. Have our tactics on the pitch caused our downfall? Absolutely yes. Who is accountable for that? Not Cartwright and Scholes.
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Post by tuum on Jan 13, 2018 19:12:19 GMT
Those saying it's not his fault Well, let's look at the facts Peter sent Scholes to "seal the deal" so to speak. It was verbally agreed, but not signed. So, who's fault is that exactly? Scholes should have had his NatWest fucking banking app, his card reader at the ready, and when Sanches said yes. He should have rang Espanyol, transferred the 4 million. Got Qique to sign the prepared managerial contract's, and unveiled him today But no. Scholes presumably said, ah great! Thanks for verbally agreeing to become our new manager, I'll pop back tomorrow with the contracts to sign. Fucking wank Tony. Wank ! Pretty spot on that..... Him and cartwright going would be like signing a 20 goal a season striker, they are that much of the problem None of the above is 'spot on'. Just supposition.
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Post by tuum on Jan 13, 2018 19:18:25 GMT
Scholes is arrogant and overpaid. Truth is, he did us proud when we were in the championship, but now, football has moved on and he is a very small fish swimming with sharks. Were nearly not premier league on the pitch and off the pitch we are touch and go championship, as CEO the everyday decisions are down to him, marketing, media etc, and after the last few weeks his position is as untenable as Hughes' was. Wasn't Scholes voted Premier League CEO of the year by his contemporaries? I know it's a boys club but they didn't need to vote for him. It suggests that at some point he was doing something right.
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Post by melonhead on Jan 13, 2018 19:32:15 GMT
Doesn't matter if QSF had given the club lip service last night. It happens all the time. There were enough pain points for Scholes to get him over the line. And it hasn't happened. He's a fucking shambles and this proves it more than any other deal. Before anyone comes back at me, we're a stable club in the Premier League. It isn't hard to sell us to big name players on their way down I.e. Arnie, Shaqiri, Afellay, Bojan ..all the time? I belive Stoke are pretty good in their negotations. They have their red lines and I think they stick to them. Currently we are not a stable club in the Premier League. We are in the bottom three and in disarray. I think the club's vision of youth development and self sufficiency is correct. Have we spunked a load of money on shit transfers? Yes. Whose fault was that? Hughes probably. Cartwright and Scholes ...possibly. Have our tactics on the pitch caused our downfall? Absolutely yes. Who is accountable for that? Not Cartwright and Scholes. Spot on. But as it has been said many times before, Hughes should have gone at the end of last season if not before then. Allowing, a greater time to get the train back on track. But, hindsight is a marvellous thing.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 13, 2018 19:32:29 GMT
So its his fault the bloke said yes then changed his mind (this seems to be what happened but who knows), I get a lot don't like Scholes for no reason what so ever but this isn't something the club can be held accountable for unless some evidence comes out to the contrary. No reason? Haha! Look at the BMI deal. A deal we had agreed he fucked up. You're guessing and now using something else that you're guessing about to back yourself up.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 19:41:18 GMT
Not scholes fault....probably family and espanyol persuasion...easy to blame him There are lots of reasons why he could have changed his mind
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Jan 13, 2018 20:01:36 GMT
Never his fault. He needs replacing it's happened to many times with players. We need someone charismatic who can sell the club better. You do realise that it wasn't just him in Barcelona this week right?
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Post by sheriffofrockridge on Jan 13, 2018 20:05:34 GMT
By the way, I trust our unbelievably successful owners to recognise when a CEO needs replacing.
I trust their judgement.
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Post by kjpt140v on Jan 13, 2018 20:07:50 GMT
Lets face its not the first time I think we need to be very vocal about this at the next game. He has been robbing a living from us for years Oh dear here we go again, can’t shout “Hughes Out” any longer so we’ll find another scapegoat to have a go at and fuck to getting behind a team that need us.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 20:19:44 GMT
Scholes is arrogant and overpaid. Truth is, he did us proud when we were in the championship, but now, football has moved on and he is a very small fish swimming with sharks. Were nearly not premier league on the pitch and off the pitch we are touch and go championship, as CEO the everyday decisions are down to him, marketing, media etc, and after the last few weeks his position is as untenable as Hughes' was. Wasn't Scholes voted Premier League CEO of the year by his contemporaries? I know it's a boys club but they didn't need to vote for him. It suggests that at some point he was doing something right. Oh there’s somethings he gets very right, he’s a clever boy, very clever indeed.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 13, 2018 20:20:23 GMT
No reason? Haha! Look at the BMI deal. A deal we had agreed he fucked up. You're guessing and now using something else that you're guessing about to back yourself up. Guessing? Him and the then manager are quoted saying we had a deal agreed for the summer. There's no guessing, he fucked it up somewhere.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 13, 2018 20:21:18 GMT
By the way, I trust our unbelievably successful owners to recognise when a CEO needs replacing. I trust their judgement. Like we trusted them to sack the manager in good time? Nah, they're a massive part of the problem.
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Post by bringmesunshine on Jan 13, 2018 20:25:16 GMT
Not scholes fault....probably family and espanyol persuasion...easy to blame him There are lots of reasons why he could have changed his mind No, totally wrong you don't get to that advanced level of negotiations without sounding out him and his family before you fly out, unless of course you're incompetent.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 13, 2018 20:25:58 GMT
By the way, I trust our unbelievably successful owners to recognise when a CEO needs replacing. I trust their judgement. Who do you consider to be our owner/s?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 13, 2018 20:26:39 GMT
You're guessing and now using something else that you're guessing about to back yourself up. Guessing? Him and the then manager are quoted saying we had a deal agreed for the summer. There's no guessing, he fucked it up somewhere. You're guessing it was him and nothing else, I've seen the quotes about a done deal etc, but as far as we know there's more to it, club pissing about, players agent pissing about, we don't know it's guess work. Edit: if he's as crap as some people say he is then why is he still in a job, he fucks up every five minutes apparently, I'm sure Coates would have cottoned on by now if it was the case.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 13, 2018 20:31:30 GMT
Guessing? Him and the then manager are quoted saying we had a deal agreed for the summer. There's no guessing, he fucked it up somewhere. You're guessing it was him and nothing else, I've seen the quotes about a done deal etc, but as far as we know there's more to it, club pissing about, players agent pissing about, we don't know it's guess work. Edit: if he's as crap as some people say he is then why is he still in a job, he fucks up every five minutes apparently, I'm sure Coates would have cottoned on by now if it was the case. There shouldn't have been anything else. We clearly didn't have a deal set in stone did we? He didn't cotton on to Hughes being wank did he? In fact he was massively arrogant and condescending about it and said he couldn't see the fuss. So yeah I'll pass on trusting him.
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