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Post by goldcoaststokie on Feb 3, 2018 21:55:39 GMT
Losing 6 pointers is a perilous path Walking out of the stadium today I genuinely think we’ve had it Exactly, we've always managed to beat the poorer sides, and that has always kept us up even when we couldn't beat any of the big boys. Now we're the side everyone else is picking up points from. The most irritating thing for me is that Hughes was favourite to be first manager sacked before the season started and we were a lot of other fans choice to be relegated. So if they could see it and lots of us could see it, why was nothing done about it? I think their loyalty has bitten them on the ass this time. They maybe genuinely believed Hughes could turn it around. Maybe Hughes spins a great yarn? I think they believed we would beat west ham, Newcastle. When we lost to them I think they finally realised. |
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Feb 3, 2018 21:59:42 GMT
I've seen enough relegation seasons to know that we are doomed.
We have nothing up front.
We have issues all over, we haven't been ambitious enough to keep moving forward. We don't deserve to be here, we have become a dire boring team to watch.
It's the least enjoyable season I can remember, I just want it to be over and lets start again, probably in the division below.
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 3, 2018 22:01:55 GMT
The one positive from today was the first half, we ran out of steam 2nd half so they need to be fitter we all knew that anyway if Lambert gets them fitter the pressing game works I think this view is simplistic. We were already letting Bournemouth back into the game in the first half, passing back too much, and needing to get to half time before Bournemouth equalised. 2nd half they immediately pressed us at lot harder and stopped our passing and we were reduced to 100% lumping the ball up to Crouch bypassing Badou. Tiredness really only kicked in after the hour. |
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Post by onionman on Feb 3, 2018 22:01:55 GMT
The good news is that this season we can be absolutely diabolical and still avoid relegation. At least seven teams will fit into that bracket. Our performance has only got to improve a little bit to scramble enough points together to climb to 14th or 15th. The difference could be as simple as starting to score the odd goal from a corner and maintaining concentration and mental strength under pressure.
The bad news is that this collection of players look capable of heading only in one direction. Mark Hughes pushed this club over a cliff and Paul Lambert has a hell of a task trying to stop the freefall.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 3, 2018 22:03:33 GMT
I've seen enough relegation seasons to know that we are doomed. We have nothing up front. We have issues all over, we haven't been ambitious enough to keep moving forward. We don't deserve to be here, we have become a dire boring team to watch. It's the least enjoyable season I can remember, I just want it to be over and lets start again, probably in the division below. Exactiy I’ve felt since August , the stench of our relegation was all over the 365 in that arsenal lap of honour and scholes and co welcomed it in with the sake of Arnie and a bargain bucket free and loan replacement policy |
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Post by Absolution on Feb 3, 2018 22:05:01 GMT
Losing 6 pointers is a perilous path Walking out of the stadium today I genuinely think we’ve had it You're normally a voice of sanity, so it's a bit concerning that you see it that way. I'm hoping it's just your emotional attachment and feeling deflated at the way the game panned out. We're obviously in the brown stuff. No mistake about that. But we're also 3 points off 11th. There's 11 whole teams who should be crapping it now. I'm guessing the supporters of the teams who've lost today are all feeling like you. But win next week and we'll look and feel massively better than we do now. That's how it's going to be for all those 11 teams between now and the season's end. A scary thought maybe, but it might be that our future could rest on our newest recruit. Let's hope he's up to it. |
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Post by goldcoaststokie on Feb 3, 2018 22:07:33 GMT
maintaining concentration and mental strength under pressure.
I agree about the other teams but is this something that can be coached on the trading ground? This seems to be the essence of why we are in deep shit.
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Post by Absolution on Feb 3, 2018 22:09:15 GMT
The one positive from today was the first half, we ran out of steam 2nd half so they need to be fitter we all knew that anyway if Lambert gets them fitter the pressing game works I think this view is simplistic. We were already letting Bournemouth back into the game in the first half, passing back too much, and needing to get to half time before Bournemouth equalised. 2nd half they immediately pressed us at lot harder and stopped our passing and we were reduced to 100% lumping the ball up to Crouch bypassing Badou. Tiredness really only kicked in after the hour. I was listening to it on Radio Stoke and the commentators made the point that Bournemouth were pressing us quicker about 10 minutes before half time and we didn't look like we had an answer to it. |
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Feb 3, 2018 22:10:16 GMT
Losing 6 pointers is a perilous path Walking out of the stadium today I genuinely think we’ve had it You're normally a voice of sanity, so it's a bit concerning that you see it that way. I'm hoping it's just your emotional attachment and feeling deflated at the way the game panned out. We're obviously in the brown stuff. No mistake about that. But we're also 3 points off 11th. There's 11 whole teams who should be crapping it now. I'm guessing the supporters of the teams who've lost today are all feeling like you. But win next week and we'll look and feel massively better than we do now. That's how it's going to be for all those 11 teams between now and the season's end. A scary thought maybe, but it might be that our future could rest on our newest recruit. Let's hope he's up to it. Three points of 11th? May as well be ten points. We are incapable of getting points away from home. We cannot string two wins together. We are an awful side |
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Post by cooper67 on Feb 3, 2018 22:48:16 GMT
You're normally a voice of sanity, so it's a bit concerning that you see it that way. I'm hoping it's just your emotional attachment and feeling deflated at the way the game panned out. We're obviously in the brown stuff. No mistake about that. But we're also 3 points off 11th. There's 11 whole teams who should be crapping it now. I'm guessing the supporters of the teams who've lost today are all feeling like you. But win next week and we'll look and feel massively better than we do now. That's how it's going to be for all those 11 teams between now and the season's end. A scary thought maybe, but it might be that our future could rest on our newest recruit. Let's hope he's up to it. Three points of 11th? May as well be ten points. We are incapable of getting points away from home. We cannot string two wins together. We are an awful side Absolutely correct. It has been posted thousands of times over the last 10/12 games that we are only 3 points off being wherever. Well the truth is we are still only 3 points off-but going nowhere very quickly! |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Feb 3, 2018 22:55:09 GMT
I thought Huddersfield was a turning point but after Watford and today I'm very worried. Just cant see where the goals are coming from. Looking at our fixture list I'd say we are in deep trouble. I think a lot of people thought that the Huddersfield game was a turning point but were we just kidding ourselves? Paul Lambert was a massively underwhelming appointment, but because we had a different voice at the press conferences I think a lot of us got a bit carried away due to the fact that we had become bored shitless with hearing our old failing manager churn out the same old crap week after week. Then when we went on to win our first game under the new manager people were understandably excited and expecting the new manager bounce to take hold and see us go on a bit of a run, when in reality we were absolute dogshit against Huddersfield in the first half and only won due to being a bit better than they were in the second half. Then onto the Watford game, and it was as bad a performance as anything we've seen under Hughes (with the ball), where we looked like a side who have never met before, never mind played together for the last three seasons or so. We created fuck all yet again in a game where we really should have been pushing for three points and if the Watford players had spent more time trying to beat us as they did trying to con the ref they would have beaten us for sure. I haven't seen any of today's game, so cannot comment on what went on but it's another defeat against a team who are in and around us and by all accounts we looked pretty toothless yet again with the lumbering Crouch up front on his own yet again! Let's not beat about the bush here, we are right in a relegation battle and as it stands I'd be amazed if we stay up. We have a pretty shit football team, coupled with a manager who has failed at pretty much every job he's had, bar Norwich which was a long time ago now. I agree. Not looking good is it? Maybe you should give Mr Wolf a ring Vince.  |
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Post by pb1863 on Feb 3, 2018 23:07:37 GMT
Three points of 11th? May as well be ten points. We are incapable of getting points away from home. We cannot string two wins together. We are an awful side Absolutely correct. It has been posted thousands of times over the last 10/12 games that we are only 3 points off being wherever. Well the truth is we are still only 3 points off-but going nowhere very quickly! But we are eating lunch together in the canteen |
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Post by Absolution on Feb 3, 2018 23:19:26 GMT
You're normally a voice of sanity, so it's a bit concerning that you see it that way. I'm hoping it's just your emotional attachment and feeling deflated at the way the game panned out. We're obviously in the brown stuff. No mistake about that. But we're also 3 points off 11th. There's 11 whole teams who should be crapping it now. I'm guessing the supporters of the teams who've lost today are all feeling like you. But win next week and we'll look and feel massively better than we do now. That's how it's going to be for all those 11 teams between now and the season's end. A scary thought maybe, but it might be that our future could rest on our newest recruit. Let's hope he's up to it. Three points of 11th? May as well be ten points. We are incapable of getting points away from home. We cannot string two wins together. We are an awful side May as well be 10 points? My entire point is that we're not. We're awful, I agree. But the sides who're this massive 3 points ahead of us are hardly pulling up any trees either are they? We're all as shit as one another else these other teams would be pulling away from us. I'm not saying we'll survive. I'm just saying it's far from impossible that we will. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 23:19:52 GMT
I think a lot of people thought that the Huddersfield game was a turning point but were we just kidding ourselves? Paul Lambert was a massively underwhelming appointment, but because we had a different voice at the press conferences I think a lot of us got a bit carried away due to the fact that we had become bored shitless with hearing our old failing manager churn out the same old crap week after week. Then when we went on to win our first game under the new manager people were understandably excited and expecting the new manager bounce to take hold and see us go on a bit of a run, when in reality we were absolute dogshit against Huddersfield in the first half and only won due to being a bit better than they were in the second half. Then onto the Watford game, and it was as bad a performance as anything we've seen under Hughes (with the ball), where we looked like a side who have never met before, never mind played together for the last three seasons or so. We created fuck all yet again in a game where we really should have been pushing for three points and if the Watford players had spent more time trying to beat us as they did trying to con the ref they would have beaten us for sure. I haven't seen any of today's game, so cannot comment on what went on but it's another defeat against a team who are in and around us and by all accounts we looked pretty toothless yet again with the lumbering Crouch up front on his own yet again! Let's not beat about the bush here, we are right in a relegation battle and as it stands I'd be amazed if we stay up. We have a pretty shit football team, coupled with a manager who has failed at pretty much every job he's had, bar Norwich which was a long time ago now. I agree. Not looking good is it? Maybe you should give Mr Wolf a ring Vince. You sending the wolf? Shit Negro, that's all you had to say. |
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Post by GoBoks on Feb 3, 2018 23:25:08 GMT
I've seen enough relegation seasons to know that we are doomed. We have nothing up front. We have issues all over, we haven't been ambitious enough to keep moving forward. We don't deserve to be here, we have become a dire boring team to watch. It's the least enjoyable season I can remember, I just want it to be over and lets start again, probably in the division below. Exactiy I’ve felt since August , the stench of our relegation was all over the 365 in that arsenal lap of honour and scholes and co welcomed it in with the sake of Arnie and a bargain bucket free and loan replacement policy BB, don’t talk nonsense! You’ve been on here everyday for the past 5 years AT LEAST, proclaiming we were going to be relegated. The stench you’ve been smelling, not since August but since soon after we were promoted, is the crap you’ve been spouting on here. |
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Post by Fred Ferret on Feb 3, 2018 23:30:28 GMT
I've seen enough relegation seasons to know that we are doomed. We have nothing up front. We have issues all over, we haven't been ambitious enough to keep moving forward. We don't deserve to be here, we have become a dire boring team to watch. It's the least enjoyable season I can remember, I just want it to be over and lets start again, probably in the division below. We need 2 wins in the next 4 games, leaving us with needing 10 pts from the last 8. Whichever way we need 16 from 12. All the teams, except WBA, that were in the bottom 4, have generally started to grab wins. We have scraped one win recently and now seem to be trying to stay afloat with a millstone round our necks. Having witnessed 2 relegations from the top flight, we have a smell of the inevitable about us. If we stay up, it will almost be a miracle. Utterly depressing. |
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Post by thegift on Feb 4, 2018 4:19:31 GMT
Have you seen our fixture list? Judging by that response you haven't. 3 Wins, 4 draws = safety. So have you seen our upcoming fixtures? I can't see more than 1 win let alone 3. |
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Post by thegift on Feb 4, 2018 4:21:23 GMT
Losing 6 pointers is a perilous path Walking out of the stadium today I genuinely think we’ve had it Fuck me i don't think I've ever seen anything negative from you, so in this case, we must be doomed |
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Feb 4, 2018 10:36:22 GMT
3 Wins, 4 draws = safety. So have you seen our upcoming fixtures? I can't see more than 1 win let alone 3. Brighton, Everton and Palace at home are the matches I think we have the best chances of winning. Draws at Southampton, West Ham and Leicester are achievable and a point at home to Burnley (winnable though) will see us safe. Not unrealistic in my opinion. |
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Post by metalhead on Feb 4, 2018 10:37:02 GMT
Big trouble
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 10:46:47 GMT
Deep shit now but we should just survive.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 10:51:02 GMT
So have you seen our upcoming fixtures? I can't see more than 1 win let alone 3. Brighton, Everton and Palace at home are the matches I think we have the best chances of winning. Draws at Southampton, West Ham and Leicester are achievable and a point at home to Burnley (winnable though) will see us safe. Not unrealistic in my opinion. A sensible post in a sea of negativity and critiscm. As far as I'm aware we're not relegated yet. There's much to play for. |
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Post by raythesailor on Feb 4, 2018 11:05:13 GMT
I know it is a “cliche” used to often but after yesterday next week really is aSIX POINTER!
Anything other than a win and I fear it is probably over.
I like to be positive and optimistic but feel that this Brighton game is now very important.
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Post by thegift on Feb 22, 2018 13:53:22 GMT
I know it is a “cliche” used to often but after yesterday next week really is aSIX POINTER! Anything other than a win and I fear it is probably over. I like to be positive and optimistic but feel that this Brighton game is now very important. The Brighton game we weren't good enough. We didn't even look like getting 3 points until charlie had an embarrassing 5 second moment of madness. |
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Post by Gods on Feb 22, 2018 13:58:59 GMT
I know it is a “cliche” used to often but after yesterday next week really is aSIX POINTER! Anything other than a win and I fear it is probably over. I like to be positive and optimistic but feel that this Brighton game is now very important. The Brighton game we weren't good enough. We didn't even look like getting 3 points until charlie had an embarrassing 5 second moment of madness. The most disappointing thing about the Brighton game, and it got lost amid the late penalty drama, was that in the 20 minutes left after we equalised and before the penalty we created absolutely nothing at all while Brighton carved out 2 more great chances to regain the lead and win it themselves. I thought the force would be with us after we leveled at 1-1, but nothing could be further from the truth, it was a deeply troubling afternoon on so many levels. |
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Post by thegift on Feb 22, 2018 14:09:13 GMT
The Brighton game we weren't good enough. We didn't even look like getting 3 points until charlie had an embarrassing 5 second moment of madness. The most disappointing thing about the Brighton game, and it got lost amid the late penalty drama, was that in the 20 minutes left after we equalised and before the penalty, is that we created absolutely nothing at all while Brighton carved out 2 more great chances to regain the lead and win it themselves. I thought the force would be with us after we leveled at 1-1, but nothing could be further from the truth, it was a deeply troubling afternoon on so many levels. I saw the red when charlie missed, being honest, sat from the Boothen it was impossible to quite see what had happened after the first miss. Then i got on radio stoke after leaving when charlie missed and heard he had missed another open goal. Only when i got home and saw the clip again sent me into more of a booze fueled alcoholic 15 pint rage. But you're right, penalty aside, after going level through Shaqiri's bit of class, we couldn't even string 4 passes together in their half. It was like 11 bodies of lifelessness. No one was moving, talking, running or playing for each other. Similar to walking in the park and asking your fellow mates if you could play with them using hoodies as goalposts. Truly shocking. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 22, 2018 14:24:12 GMT
Straight answer to OP
1 we were fucked last summer as far as the premier league is concerned
2 we are fucked in terms of any return or a change In trajectory while scholes remains
3 we made a horrendous mess worse by the most appalling managerial appointment and backroom staff
4 we can’t go bust but we can easily be in League one by August 2019 and we have a board made up of people that have put us there before by following the policies we are now .
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Post by jezzascfc on Feb 22, 2018 14:32:02 GMT
The league table and some of our upcoming fixtures suggest we could still get out of this mess (4 wins and 2 draws out of the remaining games, which would almost certainly make us safe, does not sound impossible). Unfortunately, our performances for most of this season, including recently under Lambert, suggest we are doomed to relegation. I can see more like 2 wins and 4 draws at the very best.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Feb 22, 2018 15:34:07 GMT
The league table and some of our upcoming fixtures suggest we could still get out of this mess (4 wins and 2 draws out of the remaining games, which would almost certainly make us safe, does not sound impossible). Unfortunately, our performances for most of this season, including recently under Lambert, suggest we are doomed to relegation. I can see more like 2 wins and 4 draws at the very best. In that case, I'll see you at Notts County away in 2020, on a cold winter's day when we're scrambling around League 1 |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 22, 2018 15:47:21 GMT
A board who could not see something had to be done over an 18 month period.
Then try to get us out of the mess they got us into,with a cheap managerial appointment.
Too many players who don't give a shit and not willing to earn their wages.
If you are up to your waist in shit means you are in deep trouble,we are up to our eyeballs in the brown stuff.
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