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Post by professorplump on Jan 11, 2018 15:32:43 GMT
Our goal difference is a major worry as it is worth an extra point to our rivals and we might still have a few hammerings to come. I still think there are three teams worse than us, but the final game against Swansea could be a nervy one.
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Post by mozzer on Jan 11, 2018 15:44:18 GMT
We are right royally fucked my old fruit.
It is all down to the board burying their heads in the sand, he should have gone 6 weeks ago to give the new manage time to assess what was required and to drill the unfit tubs of lard in to shape to give us a fighting chance
not 100% sure on this stat as at work but I think we have won 6 games in the last 22, we now need to win 7 games from the last 16.....yep we are in right shit, fingers crossed boys because this is going to be one hell of a bumpy ride.
And as for being on the same points as blah blah blah, our goal difference is that bad it is as good as another point to the other teams around us come the final hour.
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Post by Widget123 on Jan 11, 2018 15:45:03 GMT
I think its indicative that the board have finally realised how deep a shit pile we're possibly* in, that we're offering money for players/scouting for new players whilst having no manager. They clearly have realised how late they left it to make a decision on firing Hughes and that the impending end of the window is much closer than is comfortable.
(*depending on who we appoint as manager and how quickly they get up and running)
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Post by thegift on Jan 11, 2018 15:47:30 GMT
Well we got a Right-Back in at least. Just need a manager, a new CEO/transfer team, a mobile defensive midfielder, and a mobile striker who can score. Then fix Shaq who looks about as interested in Stoke as my Dad Get Wimmer out of the team. Get Berahino out of Stoke-on-Trent and Staffordshire. Do some defensive training Do some fitness training Improve the moral of the team Hope there are 3 worse teams than us Theres quite a lot to do....... 50% are quite easy to do. Ill take wimmer and berahino myself and drop them off in Wolverhampton.
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Post by skip on Jan 11, 2018 16:11:17 GMT
We're a bit fucked, really comes down to how shit the teams around us are True, but let's be honest, it's always that for every team outside of The Big Ones isn't it? We should be rightly concerned but not unduly alarmed. Now is the time for fans to keep their shit together, as well as the players.
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Post by alster on Jan 11, 2018 16:14:37 GMT
Jan after Man U and Feb a big periods so whoever they bring in will need to have a virtually instant impact due to the way the fixtures have fallen . If they can that might help build the coinfidence for us to pick up a few points in the tougher games . If we get to the end of Feb in the bottom three I would expect us to drop . I'm glad someone else understands that I've been trying to explain it to a thicko on another thread.
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Post by alster on Jan 11, 2018 16:15:46 GMT
Our goal difference is a major worry as it is worth an extra point to our rivals and we might still have a few hammerings to come. I still think there are three teams worse than us, but the final game against Swansea could be a nervy one. Hope not we rarely get anything from them at their place.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jan 11, 2018 16:17:29 GMT
I don't like the sound of this from Kevin Russell in todays pre match presser "Monday was a little bit difficult, Tuesday they had off to get their heads around it. They’ve improved over the week. There are players in the changing room who haven’t been through anything like this before. The club is in a bad position at the moment and needs to get up the table but there is enough here to know that when we get it right we will move up quickly." It sounds like the players were SURPRISED?!?!?! I know players live in a bubble but fuck me!
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Post by alster on Jan 11, 2018 16:17:54 GMT
Well we got a Right-Back in at least. Just need a manager, a new CEO/transfer team, a mobile defensive midfielder, and a mobile striker who can score. Then fix Shaq who looks about as interested in Stoke as my Dad Get Wimmer out of the team. Get Berahino out of Stoke-on-Trent and Staffordshire. Do some defensive training Do some fitness training Improve the moral of the team Hope there are 3 worse teams than us Theres quite a lot to do....... 50% are quite easy to do. Ill take wimmer and berahino myself and drop them off in Wolverhampton. They wouldn't have them they're ambitious.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 16:26:12 GMT
We're a bit fucked, really comes down to how shit the teams around us are True, but let's be honest, it's always that for every team outside of The Big Ones isn't it? We should be rightly concerned but not unduly alarmed. Now is the time for fans to keep their shit together, as well as the players. Oh aye, I think we have every chance of staying up. Honestly 50/50 for me right now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 16:34:00 GMT
I applaud the "we" in the thread title. It is important for everyone associated with the club we are all in this together, Once we know
That we are
We're all stars
And we see that
We're all in this together
And it shows
When we stand
Hand in hand
Make our dreams come true and it needs everyone pulling together to get out of the situation we are in. When we went to Huddersfield everyone was struck with how they get behind their team; we need to do the same and give the team that extra boost they need to succeed.
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Post by alster on Jan 11, 2018 16:44:37 GMT
We are right royally fucked my old fruit. It is all down to the board burying their heads in the sand, he should have gone 6 weeks ago to give the new manage time to assess what was required and to drill the unfit tubs of lard in to shape to give us a fighting chance not 100% sure on this stat as at work but I think we have won 6 games in the last 22, we now need to win 7 games from the last 16.....yep we are in right shit, fingers crossed boys because this is going to be one hell of a bumpy ride. And as for being on the same points as blah blah blah, our goal difference is that bad it is as good as another point to the other teams around us come the final hour. 5 wins and a couple of draws should suffice this season but we need to start winning.
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Post by senojbor on Jan 11, 2018 16:58:53 GMT
Jan after Man U and Feb a big periods so whoever they bring in will need to have a virtually instant impact due to the way the fixtures have fallen . If they can that might help build the coinfidence for us to pick up a few points in the tougher games . If we get to the end of Feb in the bottom three I would expect us to drop . I'm glad someone else understands that I've been trying to explain it to a thicko on another thread. Pretty much as I see it too. I have a feeling though that because the club have taken to long to sack Hughes it's going to be tight call. I'm not confident at all
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jan 11, 2018 17:22:09 GMT
We've been decent at times this season, even during the terrible spells (Burnley away, Watford away). I'm confident we'll be okay if the defence can be sorted out pronto (no new signings required if enough players stay fit).
I agree the new manager needs to make an almost instant impact.
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Post by Northy on Jan 11, 2018 17:31:09 GMT
There are plenty of examples where a new manager makes an immediate impact, and plenty where they have no impact whatsoever. You're assuming it will take him x amount of time to change things but it might not... it could be as simple as the players no longer believed in Hughes and the new guy gives them belief / a kick up the arse. We're definitely in trouble and should have acted sooner, but the fact is he should have (if appointed quickly enough) 18 games to make a difference. Every game and point counts, even the Man Utd one. A 30%+ win% keeps us up. Lets hope whoever comes in he does an Alardyce at Everton and not a Bradley at Swansea
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 11, 2018 17:34:26 GMT
What we really need to do is stop conceding. The salient point in our case is the goals against column. Every year the team with the most here gets relegated. Currently we're seven 'ahead' of our nearest rival.
Tighten up the back and the points will also arrive.
Sounds simple but if it doesn't happen we're toast.
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Post by scfc75 on Jan 11, 2018 17:34:46 GMT
There are plenty of examples where a new manager makes an immediate impact, and plenty where they have no impact whatsoever. You're assuming it will take him x amount of time to change things but it might not... it could be as simple as the players no longer believed in Hughes and the new guy gives them belief / a kick up the arse. We're definitely in trouble and should have acted sooner, but the fact is he should have (if appointed quickly enough) 18 games to make a difference. Every game and point counts, even the Man Utd one. A 30%+ win% keeps us up. Lets hope whoever comes in he does an Alardyce at Everton and not a Bradley at Swansea I think the fact that we're not dead and buried, 7pts adrift gives me hope. We're only 1pt from not being in the bottom 3, and lets face it all we need to do in the short term is finish 17th or higher. If he does any better than Hughes has this season, we'll survive.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 11, 2018 17:37:45 GMT
There is no point looking at all the games we have coming up.
We need to sort out midfield. We need to recruit players NOW.
If we can plug that big fucking hole just in front of the defence, suddenly the defence will start looking better.
Then, with that huddersfield game coming up, if we win that everything starts to look different. We can go on a run from that game.
But we need recruits in time for that game. And they must be ready to go right away. Our midfield is the worst I've seen in the premier league
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Post by banx10 on Jan 11, 2018 18:13:06 GMT
Doom and gloom king is back.
Look, don't for one minute think all the players are running their bollocks off, training like it's World Cup final coming up etc. They (most) don't give a bloody monkeys if we go down.
Their contracts (money) are safe, if they go down or sub all season, why the shite do they care!
So new big boss coming in, he might get few movitated, but a pigeon English boss with no real pedigree except managed the mighty Watford, who then sacked him cos he failed, is gonna push up up the league.
OMG, it's so annoying!!!
I've said it before, under Pulis it was an Army, a squad fighting to the death together lead by someone who really cares. Screaming till the last second. No, we wouldn't win 6-0 every game, we are bloody Stoke!
Yeah maybe if we kept going with him, another couple of 12th's, few 9th etc we could have pushed up to ocassasional 7th maybe 6th's, but it takes years. 10 years.
Let's go down. Reform ourselves, maybe get the boss of Shrewsbury or the like & their 'real' players & then go again.
Alternative is bouncing around relegation for next few years & out the cups to joke clubs.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 18:19:41 GMT
No problem we will be fine.
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 11, 2018 18:32:28 GMT
We are right royally fucked my old fruit. It is all down to the board burying their heads in the sand, he should have gone 6 weeks ago to give the new manage time to assess what was required and to drill the unfit tubs of lard in to shape to give us a fighting chance not 100% sure on this stat as at work but I think we have won 6 games in the last 22, we now need to win 7 games from the last 16.....yep we are in right shit, fingers crossed boys because this is going to be one hell of a bumpy ride. And as for being on the same points as blah blah blah, our goal difference is that bad it is as good as another point to the other teams around us come the final hour. How do you get 7? If you want to be negative why not just say 15?
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Post by slicko on Jan 11, 2018 18:37:53 GMT
We are at a pivotal point. A bad managerial appointment would ensure no change in poor results and probable relegation. A good managerial appointment puts us in with chance of a mid table finish and an influx of quality players this window.
There is absolutely no luck involved in this whatsoever.
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Post by GoBoks on Jan 11, 2018 18:39:21 GMT
Doom and gloom king is back. Look, don't for one minute think all the players are running their bollocks off, training like it's World Cup final coming up etc. They (most) don't give a bloody monkeys if we go down. Their contracts (money) are safe, if they go down or sub all season, why the shite do they care! So new big boss coming in, he might get few movitated, but a pigeon English boss with no real pedigree except managed the mighty Watford, who then sacked him cos he failed, is gonna push up up the league. OMG, it's so annoying!!! I've said it before, under Pulis it was an Army, a squad fighting to the death together lead by someone who really cares. Screaming till the last second. No, we wouldn't win 6-0 every game, we are bloody Stoke! Yeah maybe if we kept going with him, another couple of 12th's, few 9th etc we could have pushed up to ocassasional 7th maybe 6th's, but it takes years. 10 years. Let's go down. Reform ourselves, maybe get the boss of Shrewsbury or the like & their 'real' players & then go again. Alternative is bouncing around relegation for next few years & out the cups to joke clubs. When did Pulis ever get 9th? Holding on to him at that time would be akin to holding onto Hughes now.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 11, 2018 18:40:42 GMT
We would need at least 5 first class committed fit signings who will fit into whatever system whatever manager takes over decides to employ, can not see this happening in all honesty Hughes and his team have left us up shit creek without a paddle, the squad he has built is totally unsuitable for purpose how the hell this idiot was not sacked months ago is an indication of the levels of incompetence the club has reached.
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Post by crapslinger on Jan 11, 2018 18:43:26 GMT
We are at a pivotal point. A bad managerial appointment would ensure no change in poor results and probable relegation. A good managerial appointment puts us in with chance of a mid table finish and an influx of quality players this window. There is absolutely no luck involved in this whatsoever. There is also no luck involved in the shit situation we find ourselves in despite the claims of some on this board, we have an unfit, unmotivated, unbalanced squad there is no excuse for the mess the management have created all self inflicted.
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Post by slicko on Jan 11, 2018 18:49:32 GMT
We are at a pivotal point. A bad managerial appointment would ensure no change in poor results and probable relegation. A good managerial appointment puts us in with chance of a mid table finish and an influx of quality players this window. There is absolutely no luck involved in this whatsoever. There is also no luck involved in the shit situation we find ourselves in despite the claims of some on this board, we have an unfit, unmotivated, unbalanced squad there is no excuse for the mess the management have created all self inflicted. Agree with that.
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Post by alster on Jan 11, 2018 19:34:47 GMT
I'm glad someone else understands that I've been trying to explain it to a thicko on another thread. Pretty much as I see it too. I have a feeling though that because the club have taken to long to sack Hughes it's going to be tight call. I'm not confident at all No doubt the writing was on the wall last season and the owners not only ignored it but made matters worse by not only not providing a considerable transfer budget but in fact took money out of the squad. Hughes was in every bit as much of a malaise last season but the Summer window made his job more difficult. They could have pulled the trigger in December and had a manager in place for the day the window opened but they kept their heads firmly planted in their buckets of sand. As we approach the mid point of the window we have no manager in place, no idea how he needs to adapt the squad which parts of it he can utilise which parts he deems surplus to requirements its a complete and utter shit show.
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Post by mattface on Jan 11, 2018 19:43:08 GMT
More than we should be, but not as much as we could be. Next few weeks of games will sort out our destiny. Anyone from 10th down could get drawn into it
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Post by wapiti on Jan 11, 2018 19:48:33 GMT
To answer original question: A lot......time to get the finger out.
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Post by stillgame4it on Jan 11, 2018 19:57:21 GMT
We have to get more points off the teams around us (bottom half of the table) in this second half of the season than we did if the first half fixtures, if we can do that then we are in with a chance. To use the famous phrase "lots of 6 pointers" and every point we drop against those surrounding teams is like a double hit in a relegation run in as it gives them something aswell
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