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Post by ursemboys on Jan 6, 2018 23:21:55 GMT
well Hughes has gone so now we need another guy to hammer , We aint happy unless we are ripping someone to pieces ,I have watched stoke home and away since 1975 and I can tell you we have had worse ,but we always have to have one player we have to rip in to .
Now is the time to give the players a lift and I know some don't deserve it but they aint going anywhere so while they are pulling on the shirt get behind them not on there cases because that will definitly do no good
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 6, 2018 23:21:59 GMT
We can talk about chances in the team all you like, he's just a very poor footballer and we spent two transfer windows trying to sign. He'll be bumming aound in the much lower leagues after Stoke. You see some strikers in the National league and they are far fitter and keener than Saido. Theres a very good reason he hasn't scored for 700 games. Look at Aguero’s goals tonight. Both incisive passes behind the defence. We haven’t had a midfielder who can do that for years. Hence why he hasn’t scored. He’s a clinical finisher, that scores chances. He hasn’t got any superior physical attributes. He’s not lightening quick, powerful or tall. Attributes which Diouf and Crouch have got. He has a footballing brain though, he just needs the service. Like I’ve said before and I’ll continue to say it, any striker in the same mould ie. Moussa Dembele. Players like Morata at Chelsea would not score in our side. They score goals by being 2 steps ahead in their brain and clinical in front of goal. Not by bullying defenders or being a physical threat. Until he gets the service you can’t write him off. Over and out.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 23:23:22 GMT
Ah yes Dean Saunders. He would never make something up.
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Post by ChesterStokie on Jan 6, 2018 23:23:33 GMT
Agree with that unfortunately 😞 Something else to be considered is the year he hasn’t scored for West Brom before he signed for us. It’s getting close to 700 days since he last scored a competitive goal and in that time he’s missed FOUR straight penalties as well. He is a broken footballer and it’s horrible to see. one which a change of management may be able to fix. He seems to be in need of a clean slate A new manager bump may coincide with a firing Saido bump Sorry but just how many clean slates does this bloke need? How come a desperately out of form Mame Biram Diouf managed to get himself into 5 or 6 glorious goal scoring positions today and Berahino managed just one in the whole game?
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Jan 6, 2018 23:25:44 GMT
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 6, 2018 23:25:44 GMT
one which a change of management may be able to fix. He seems to be in need of a clean slate A new manager bump may coincide with a firing Saido bump Sorry but just how many clean slates does this bloke need? How come a desperately out of form Mame Biram Diouf managed to get himself into 5 or 6 glorious goal scoring positions today and Berahino managed just one in the whole game? See my previous post. All hoofed balls into the box. That’s not how Saido plays. Fucks sake.
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Post by thegift on Jan 6, 2018 23:27:07 GMT
Sorry but just how many clean slates does this bloke need? How come a desperately out of form Mame Biram Diouf managed to get himself into 5 or 6 glorious goal scoring positions today and Berahino managed just one in the whole game? See my previous post. All hoofed balls into the box. That’s not how Saido plays. Fucks sake. Give over, the guy is toss.
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Post by ursemboys on Jan 6, 2018 23:27:11 GMT
one which a change of management may be able to fix. He seems to be in need of a clean slate A new manager bump may coincide with a firing Saido bump Sorry but just how many clean slates does this bloke need? How come a desperately out of form Mame Biram Diouf managed to get himself into 5 or 6 glorious goal scoring positions today and Berahino managed just one in the whole game? and he missed them all, how many games has he had compared to Berahino ,we have not once played to His strength's, New Manager clean sheet for all the players and lets see what they can do
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Jan 6, 2018 23:27:40 GMT
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Post by withingtonstokie on Jan 6, 2018 23:27:40 GMT
He will score against Huddersfield, mark my words. I doubt he’ll be playing to even get the chance to score, hopefully. Diouf and Berahino are both poor “strikers”, there time is up. Choupo and our new signing (hopefully) up front against Man U with a midfield 4 of Ramadan, Allen, Adan and Shaqiri.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 23:29:49 GMT
He will score against Huddersfield, mark my words. I doubt he’ll be playing to even get the chance to score, hopefully. Diouf and Berahino are both poor “strikers”, there time is up. Choupo and our new signing (hopefully) up front against Man U with a midfield 4 of Ramadan, Allen, Adan and Shaqiri. I thought I was being hopeful saying Berahino would score, but you think we'll sign someone in time for the United game with everything else going on? Thats hopeful! Diouf isn't the best striker, but I don't think his time is up. He's one of the very few who looks like he actually gives a shit.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 23:30:24 GMT
He will score against Huddersfield, mark my words. I doubt he’ll be playing to even get the chance to score, hopefully. Diouf and Berahino are both poor “strikers”, there time is up. Choupo and our new signing (hopefully) up front against Man U with a midfield 4 of Ramadan, Allen, Adan and Shaqiri. Choupo has been awful as a striker every time he's played there. Stoke have been awful as a team every time we've played 442.
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Jan 6, 2018 23:32:34 GMT
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 6, 2018 23:32:34 GMT
See my previous post. All hoofed balls into the box. That’s not how Saido plays. Fucks sake. Give over, the guy is toss. Our midfield is toss, which effectively make Berahino useless because we can’t play to his strengths. First half of today’s game he didn’t get a single ball into the channels or in behind the defence. Then people moan when he loses possession when it gets lumped to him from 70 yards against a big 6ft 5 defender without a stoke player anywhere near him. That really proved how wank he was didn’t it? Second half was just long ball into the box with bodies everywhere, again, not how Saido plays. Early balls behind defences, beating the offside line and playing on the last defender. We just don’t do that. You can say he is wank all you want but you have no constructive answers to my argument.
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Jan 6, 2018 23:33:43 GMT
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Post by Dave the Rave on Jan 6, 2018 23:33:43 GMT
I said he was toss when we signed him and was ridiculed.
Awful goal scoring record bar one purple patch.
People read too much into the fee.
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Jan 6, 2018 23:36:20 GMT
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 6, 2018 23:36:20 GMT
I doubt he’ll be playing to even get the chance to score, hopefully. Diouf and Berahino are both poor “strikers”, there time is up. Choupo and our new signing (hopefully) up front against Man U with a midfield 4 of Ramadan, Allen, Adan and Shaqiri. Choupo has been awful as a striker every time he's played there. Stoke have been awful as a team every time we've played 442. Don’t agree about Choupo we seem to play better when he’s up top. His goal vs Brighton. Excellent touch to control the ball and finish also linked play well. His round the corner pass for Shaqiri vs Leicester. 2 examples of when we’ve actually managed draws this season. I would also say that he had taken more of a central position (like a striker does) when he scored against West Brom, great run behind the defense and fantastic calm finish.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 6, 2018 23:37:58 GMT
In fairness, no defence of him today as i haven't seen it. But none of our players have ever played well in a 442. Abysmal doesn't cut it. I doubt he would cut it at conference level. I don't know if you were exaggerating for effect or not, but I actually think you might be right. Previously I've described him as a championship player at best but having seen him today against a fourth division defence and struggle your assessment may be more accurate. Perhaps he is a massive confidence player who needs to be super fit to see the player who was smashing them in at WBA? But to me he looks as wank as Brek Shea. Just lost on a football pitch sadly. £80k a week for the next five years. Jesus. Sell him now for £2m just to save on wages.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 23:39:12 GMT
Choupo has been awful as a striker every time he's played there. Stoke have been awful as a team every time we've played 442. Don’t agree about Choupo we seem to play better when he’s up top. His goal vs Brighton. Excellent touch to control the ball and finish also linked play well. His round the corner pass for Shaqiri vs Leicester. 2 examples of when we’ve actually managed draws this season. I would also say that he had taken more of a central position (like a striker does) when he scored against West Brom, get run behind and fantastic calm finish. The awful lack of a real striker punished us in both of those games, and especially the Palace and Bournemouth games. He was a winger against WBA. Watch the Palace game back, the amount of times he runs down the wing and we have no striker to pass or cross to is unbelievably frustrating. His goals (barring Brighton) have all been as a winger, despite playing several as a striker.
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Post by thegift on Jan 6, 2018 23:39:48 GMT
Give over, the guy is toss. Our midfield is toss, which effectively make Berahino useless because we can’t play to his strengths. First half of today’s game he didn’t get a single ball into the channels or in behind the defence. Then people moan when he loses possession when it gets lumped to him from 70 yards against a big 6ft 5 defender without a stoke player anywhere near him. That really proved how wank he was didn’t it? Second half was just long ball into the box with bodies everywhere, again, not how Saido plays. Early balls behind defences, beating the offside line and playing on the last defender. We just don’t do that. You can say he is wank all you want but you have no constructive answers to my argument. Yes i do. twice steven ireland played a through ball to berahino and on the first he got out paced by their defender and the second time he got out strengthened. Take those tinted glasses off.
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Jan 6, 2018 23:40:08 GMT
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 6, 2018 23:40:08 GMT
Abysmal doesn't cut it. I doubt he would cut it at conference level. I don't know if you were exaggerating for effect or not, but I actually think you might be right. Previously I've described him as a championship player at best but having seen him today against a fourth division defence and struggle your assessment may be more accurate. Perhaps he is a massive confidence player who needs to be super fit to see the player who was smashing them in at WBA? But to me he looks as wank as Brek Shea. Just lost on a football pitch sadly. My life. Berahino didn’t struggle for fucks sake. What you meant to say is, our midfield struggled and gave him no realistic opportunity to score. He can’t do it all on his own, that’s not his game.
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Post by thegift on Jan 6, 2018 23:40:35 GMT
Abysmal doesn't cut it. I doubt he would cut it at conference level. I don't know if you were exaggerating for effect or not, but I actually think you might be right. Previously I've described him as a championship player at best but having seen him today against a fourth division defence and struggle your assessment may be more accurate. Perhaps he is a massive confidence player who needs to be super fit to see the player who was smashing them in at WBA? But to me he looks as wank as Brek Shea. Just lost on a football pitch sadly. £80k a week for the next five years. Jesus. Sell him now for £2m just to save on wages. Oh I'm being deadly serious. Rabbit in headlights
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Jan 6, 2018 23:42:49 GMT
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 6, 2018 23:42:49 GMT
Our midfield is toss, which effectively make Berahino useless because we can’t play to his strengths. First half of today’s game he didn’t get a single ball into the channels or in behind the defence. Then people moan when he loses possession when it gets lumped to him from 70 yards against a big 6ft 5 defender without a stoke player anywhere near him. That really proved how wank he was didn’t it? Second half was just long ball into the box with bodies everywhere, again, not how Saido plays. Early balls behind defences, beating the offside line and playing on the last defender. We just don’t do that. You can say he is wank all you want but you have no constructive answers to my argument. Yes i do. twice steven ireland played a through ball to berahino and on the first he got out paced by their defender and the second time he got out strengthened. Take those tinted glasses off. No tinted glasses here, I don’t like Saido anymore than any other Stoke player. Just frustrating because I know he’d score if we played to his strengths. Are you talking about those nothing balls from Ireland? They were scraps at best. Play shaq behind Bera and get a central midfield player who can pick a pass as well then we will judge him.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 6, 2018 23:43:33 GMT
I don't know if you were exaggerating for effect or not, but I actually think you might be right. Previously I've described him as a championship player at best but having seen him today against a fourth division defence and struggle your assessment may be more accurate. Perhaps he is a massive confidence player who needs to be super fit to see the player who was smashing them in at WBA? But to me he looks as wank as Brek Shea. Just lost on a football pitch sadly. £80k a week for the next five years. Jesus. Sell him now for £2m just to save on wages. Oh I'm being deadly serious. Rabbit in headlights Well then I agree. Slow, cumbersome, predictable, anonymous today for the whole 90 mins. Apart from when he tried to side foot a shot past three defenders covering a goalkeeper free net lol
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Post by Dancingtesttube on Jan 6, 2018 23:55:38 GMT
He will score against Huddersfield, mark my words. I doubt he’ll be playing to even get the chance to score, hopefully. Diouf and Berahino are both poor “strikers”, there time is up. Choupo and our new signing (hopefully) up front against Man U with a midfield 4 of Ramadan, Allen, Adan and Shaqiri. Correct.I think Diouf gets an easy ride from a lot on here.His qualities as a footballer,particularly as a centre forward,are limited at best.Yes he tries hard,but is that the best we can hope for from him?.His touch is woeful,his finishing isn’t much better(See today),but whilst most berate Berahino, Diouf gets away with it.The pair of them aren’t good enough,and the desperation for a proper striker is there to see.Hopefully we can get better,because with these two we’re sadly fucked
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Post by thegrassyknoll on Jan 6, 2018 23:56:13 GMT
The entire Berahino saga, frankly, represents everything wrong with the Premier League. He had one good season at West Brom, one. And as soon as Spurs came knocking, he didn't give a shit about West Brom. He was only a kid and you can certainly understand him being desperate to move, but the way he burnt all of his bridges was disgraceful. In retrospect, he should have realised that (with Kane coming through) he would only have ended up being another Soldado or Janssen anyway. Even if moving was all he cared about, he should have got his head down and played for another big-money move. But instead he just gave up, put on loads of weight and got himself a drugs ban. There were six months on his contract when we decided to spunk £12m on him. We could have waited until the summer, got him on a pre-contract deal and paid a fraction of what we eventually did via a tribunal fee. But our stupidity and more-money-than-sense approach decided to go in for a player who was unfit to immediately play a role anyway. Then we wasted half a season trying to play him into fitness. Berahino ruined his own career, and Stoke were stupid enough to indulge him. I won't shed a tear for him or Mark Hughes. Just a massive shame that our football club will take the fall for it. Signing SB has undoubtedly cost Hughes his job. If the player had given any sort of return on the (unnecessarily high) initial outlay it would have vindicated the purchase and the goals scored would have carried SCFC up the table. No Albion fan I know can give a rational reason for Hughes' purchase in the Jan window. Was the rivalry between Toxic Tone and Hughes so intense that Hughes wanted to show he could get Berahino to succeed to spite The Capped One?
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 6, 2018 23:57:46 GMT
I went today, I also went when Crewe played them a couple of years ago and I can say that Berahinho was the worst forwsrf on the pitch both games.
He's completely lost whatever he had.
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Post by Smudge_SCFC on Jan 7, 2018 0:07:12 GMT
Sorry but just how many clean slates does this bloke need? How come a desperately out of form Mame Biram Diouf managed to get himself into 5 or 6 glorious goal scoring positions today and Berahino managed just one in the whole game? See my previous post. All hoofed balls into the box. That’s not how Saido plays. Fucks sake. So you’re just going to ignore my reply listing the easy chances he missed, after you said he’d had no chances? The bloke hasn’t scored for close on 700 Days and you’re making excuses for him. We all wanted him to succeed but he’s been a miserable failure and it’s all his own fault.
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Post by Dr Hesham on Jan 7, 2018 0:12:59 GMT
Berahino cant play as striker alone, he needs to be something like a shadow striker beside another striker, he needs fast counter-attacks but the team is very slow playing with 5 defenders in addition to 4 midfielders with defensive tasks "except Shaqiri" - "and still the team defensively so bad" This is the only way he can do something, I didst watch him before Stoke but in these 2 seasons I watched him in many games and I always feel it is hopeless to wait a goal from him, it is not appropriate to judge any player under the shitty Hughes tactics, but till now he is the man who played as a striker for the team for more minutes than Crouch, Diouf, Choupo, Walters ... etc., and he didn't leave any positive impact about himself. If Hughes is going to continue it is better for Berahino to be loaned out, but I dont know why Hughes bought him ... Whatever system he plays in, a bloke who’s going to cost the club £4,160,000 a year over 5 years (i.e £20,800,000) in addition to his initial transfer fee of £12-13 million, should be capable of scoring at least one goal in 23 months. It’s easy to say “get him out on loan” or “move him on” but who else is going to stump up £80,000 a week for a serial failure with a history of going on strike, a drugs ban, and pissing about with nitros oxide? I agree the problem is that , you cant find a club that pays this salary even if you are going to leave him for free.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jan 7, 2018 0:13:52 GMT
I enjoyed his foul throw.
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Post by TexasPotter on Jan 7, 2018 3:28:44 GMT
Imbula, Berahino and Wimmer. The 3 nails in Marks coffin for me. Bingo. Fucking turrible signings, shit football, could careless about the club and not typical PL starters for massive wages!
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Post by Northy on Jan 7, 2018 7:18:13 GMT
offered nothing today, no pace, doesnt want to head a ball, and shocked he stayed on for the 90. I think Choupo should have come on for him for at least the last 30 mins.
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Jan 7, 2018 9:26:54 GMT
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 7, 2018 9:26:54 GMT
See my previous post. All hoofed balls into the box. That’s not how Saido plays. Fucks sake. So you’re just going to ignore my reply listing the easy chances he missed, after you said he’d had no chances? The bloke hasn’t scored for close on 700 Days and you’re making excuses for him. We all wanted him to succeed but he’s been a miserable failure and it’s all his own fault. I replied to you Smudge if you take a moment to actually look. Another post blaming the symptoms and not the root cause. You’re using 700 days like he’s played consistently during that time, which is nothing like the real thing. When he came in January last year the guy was clearly unfit, been hung out to dry by Pulis at West Brom with no game time other than some appearances in the under 23’s. It’s clear that there were some off the pitch problems in his personal life too. So he comes to Stoke and you can pretty much write him off for that season, clearly unfit and needed a solid 6 months on the treadmill and on the training ground before he was even fit to kick a ball at all. Yes, you could look at this and say it’s his own fault for not being fit but with the treatment he had at West Brom I don’t blame him. Let’s look at the 2017/2018 season. Berahino has played 385 minutes of football (in the league), this season, which works out at just over 4 full games. In which time he averages less than 1 shot per game. Only the ignorant can argue that we’re giving him chances, it’s simply not true. We give him zero service. On top of that, the only times he has played longer than 30 minutes in games have been Chelsea (A), Everton (A), Arsenal (H), Southampton (H). We took 4 points from the two home games, by the way. The other performances have been cameos where he’s been brought off the bench and expected to make an impact when A) he doesn’t have a realistic amount of time to settle into the game B) We have been in losing positions, which we must have the worst record in history from losing positions and we simply look broken as soon as we concede the first goal. C) You’d get better service at a help your self restaurant and that’s NONE. All of the above considered, the management team who hasn’t played him often enough and when they have, he’s been deployed in a system with no service. The midfield also need to take a large accountability for his non success. Which could also ultimately come down to management in that we didn’t sign anyone that can play early, accurate and incisive passes to him. We’ve given him a job that we aren’t providing him a solid platform to succeed on. Yes, he does look frustrated about it and he has every right to.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 9:40:12 GMT
It’s no coincidence that every forward we have and have had looks useless and generally has a poor goal scoring record. We simply don’t create anywhere near enough which in return means the odd half chance we do create we are expecting the forwards to have near 100% conversion rate. It’s not going to happen.
Play Crouch up front, we lump it to his head and the flick on goes anywhere, he hasn’t been close to the goal since he started games. Diouf is just a joke of a footballer, pacey, works hard but his quality on the ball is some of the worst I’ve seen, he also misses a good 90% of his chances. Bera we play the exact same way as when Crouch plays, what’s he gonna do with that? Plus badly out of form and any chance he does get his confidence is shot.
We play a formation that means the wing backs are the main players putting the ball in the box, meaning our wide attacking players can support the lone forward creating a 3 man attack in the box, making it a 4 man with a central midfielder pushing on. In theory it’s a good formation.
Problem we have is our wing backs don’t bomb forward and put the ball in the box, our wide attacking men do and along with our central midfield that don’t get forward, we are left with the lone front man in the box on his own against 3 defenders. It’s impossible to do much.
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