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Post by stokemark on Jan 6, 2018 19:43:43 GMT
We are setting the bar pretty low then *WinkyFace* I've been desperate for him to succeed but it's time to admit that we've had a nightmare with him. The fee, the wages, the off the pitch issues and then just plain poor performances on the pitch. I think that we should be expecting a hell of a lot more from THE most expensive striker in our club's history. Yep unfortunately we are, he's played better in those games than our other strikers have. The fee really isn't that much nowadays. I don't know what his wages are. His off the pitch issues were before he came here, and I really don't think he's had more than one poor performance in the league this season (haven't watched him in the cup). That means nothing with the inflation of fees in the past few years, Van Dijk is the most expensive defender in the world. He's a good premier league defender, but not world class. How you can defend such a waste of oxygen I don't know - oh he's on £75k a week and is our highest paid player by the way
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jan 6, 2018 19:44:35 GMT
We are setting the bar pretty low then *WinkyFace* I've been desperate for him to succeed but it's time to admit that we've had a nightmare with him. The fee, the wages, the off the pitch issues and then just plain poor performances on the pitch. I think that we should be expecting a hell of a lot more from THE most expensive striker in our club's history. Yep unfortunately we are, he's played better in those games than our other strikers have. The fee really isn't that much nowadays. I don't know what his wages are. His off the pitch issues were before he came here, and I really don't think he's had more than one poor performance in the league this season (haven't watched him in the cup). That means nothing with the inflation of fees in the past few years, Van Dijk is the most expensive defender in the world. He's a good premier league defender, but not world class. He's had no impact at this club in nearly a year. We can talk about our other strikers as much as we want but at the end of the day at least they've managed to actually score. Diouf proved to be a more effective goal scorer and he was shoe-horned in as a wing-back for God sake! Berahino is basically living off one season he had three / four years ago.
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 6, 2018 19:44:56 GMT
All these comments and we still haven’t given him a decent goal scoring chance or even a half chance for that matter. It appears Saido is the scape goat. There were only 3 players worth noting today. Ramadan was absolutely brilliant second half, the best I’ve seen him. Tom Edwards was solid. Joe Allen ran his bollocks off. Still think under new management Berahino will score, time will tell. Block, what do you make of Saunders comments about Berahino not being fit, surely being fit is SB's responsibility? It would be nice to know a timescale on when it was to make a more informed response really. When was he a stone overweight?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 19:47:46 GMT
Yep unfortunately we are, he's played better in those games than our other strikers have. The fee really isn't that much nowadays. I don't know what his wages are. His off the pitch issues were before he came here, and I really don't think he's had more than one poor performance in the league this season (haven't watched him in the cup). That means nothing with the inflation of fees in the past few years, Van Dijk is the most expensive defender in the world. He's a good premier league defender, but not world class. He's had no impact at this club in nearly a year. We can talk about our other strikers as much as we want but at the end of the day at least they've managed to actually score. Diouf proved to be a more effective goal scorer and he was shoe-horned in as a wing-back for God sake! Berahino is basically living off one season he had three / four years ago. Diouf has been massively out of form since October. Crouch doesnt play well when he starts, and the team around him don't. He's had some decent games but again, how can you have an impact when you start 3 league games, none of which consecutively? If any other player doesn't score they stay in the team for ages, Saido is dropped no matter his performance. having a mobile striker, with some sort of first touch, however big his issues, would make a massive difference to our play. We wouldn't be playing so deep as the opposition have someone to worry about, and it would give more space for Shaq to operate in.
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Post by Smudge_SCFC on Jan 6, 2018 19:48:19 GMT
All these comments and we still haven’t given him a decent goal scoring chance or even a half chance for that matter. It appears Saido is the scape goat. There were only 3 players worth noting today. Ramadan was absolutely brilliant second half, the best I’ve seen him. Tom Edwards was solid. Joe Allen ran his bollocks off. Still think under new management Berahino will score, time will tell. No chances? You mean apart from his one-on-one against Chelsea, his one-on-one at Watford, his penalty against Southampton, his two free headers at Swansea last season, his feeble shot today with no keeper in the net and a couple of other chances? You mean apart from those?
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 6, 2018 19:49:28 GMT
Block, what do you make of Saunders comments about Berahino not being fit, surely being fit is SB's responsibility? It would be nice to know a timescale on when it was to make a more informed response really. When was he a stone overweight? Fair point, I read it as it was a current issue. Wasn't there some WBA fan, the Grassy Knob or something, warning us about Berahino when we signed him. Most probably thought it was the ravings of a bitter rival club fan but unfortunately it looks like he was spot on
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Post by stokemark on Jan 6, 2018 19:51:16 GMT
All these comments and we still haven’t given him a decent goal scoring chance or even a half chance for that matter. It appears Saido is the scape goat. There were only 3 players worth noting today. Ramadan was absolutely brilliant second half, the best I’ve seen him. Tom Edwards was solid. Joe Allen ran his bollocks off. Still think under new management Berahino will score, time will tell. No chances? You mean apart from his one-on-one against Chelsea, his one-on-one at Watford, his penalty against Southampton, his two free headers at Swansea last season, his feeble shot today with no keeper in the net and a couple of other chances? You mean apart from those? That 'effort' today was pathetic
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jan 6, 2018 19:55:33 GMT
He's had no impact at this club in nearly a year. We can talk about our other strikers as much as we want but at the end of the day at least they've managed to actually score. Diouf proved to be a more effective goal scorer and he was shoe-horned in as a wing-back for God sake! Berahino is basically living off one season he had three / four years ago. Diouf has been massively out of form since October. Crouch doesnt play well when he starts, and the team around him don't. He's had some decent games but again, how can you have an impact when you start 3 league games, none of which consecutively? If any other player doesn't score they stay in the team for ages, Saido is dropped no matter his performance. having a mobile striker, with some sort of first touch, however big his issues, would make a massive difference to our play. We wouldn't be playing so deep as the opposition have someone to worry about, and it would give more space for Shaq to operate in. The fact he hasn't had a run of games is because; 1) When he does play he has no impact on the game. If he actually contributed something then he might get a run of games. Crouch forced his way into the starting eleven because when he did come off the bench he scored goals. (Agree that he shouldn't be starting games, but it shows how making an impact as a sub can force your way in). 2) He obviously isn't doing anything in training to force the manager's hand.
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 6, 2018 19:59:01 GMT
All these comments and we still haven’t given him a decent goal scoring chance or even a half chance for that matter. It appears Saido is the scape goat. There were only 3 players worth noting today. Ramadan was absolutely brilliant second half, the best I’ve seen him. Tom Edwards was solid. Joe Allen ran his bollocks off. Still think under new management Berahino will score, time will tell. No chances? You mean apart from his one-on-one against Chelsea, his one-on-one at Watford, his penalty against Southampton, his two free headers at Swansea last season, his feeble shot today with no keeper in the net and a couple of other chances? You mean apart from those? And if you’re completely honest they’ve only ever been when he was a bit part player. Everyone knows that when players don’t get a solid run they’re rusty. He should have done better with the one on one at Chelsea but it was more of a half chance, he was outside the box. He did everything right with the one at Watford, exceptional save. The penalty was a penalty, players miss penalties. Whether he has been wank in your opinion or not we need to give him more service, that’s a fact. I feel for any Striker that comes to this club with what our midfield muster up, all this talk of Dembele, he won’t score if you don’t give him chances.
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Post by hchpotter on Jan 6, 2018 20:00:28 GMT
You haven't watched the game. BT sport have spent plenty of time chatting shit. He hasn't put on a stone of weight. He has barely played so not sure why he's a stain. Plenty wrong with the club, he's not it at the minute. Are you having a laugh? He’s everything that’s wrong with club. The most expensive striker the club had ever bought. The highest paid player in the team.He’s paid a wage (£4,160,000 per annum for 5 years) to score goals but hasn’t managed a single goal in 23 months (but missed four penalties). And Hughes bought him after he went on strike, got in the papers more often for his social life than his goals, and was banned for drugs.
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 6, 2018 20:01:26 GMT
Diouf has been massively out of form since October. Crouch doesnt play well when he starts, and the team around him don't. He's had some decent games but again, how can you have an impact when you start 3 league games, none of which consecutively? If any other player doesn't score they stay in the team for ages, Saido is dropped no matter his performance. having a mobile striker, with some sort of first touch, however big his issues, would make a massive difference to our play. We wouldn't be playing so deep as the opposition have someone to worry about, and it would give more space for Shaq to operate in. The fact he hasn't had a run of games is because; 1) When he does play he has no impact on the game. If he actually contributed something then he might get a run of games. Crouch forced his way into the starting eleven because when he did come off the bench he scored goals. (Agree that he shouldn't be starting games, but it shows how making an impact as a sub can force your way in). 2) He obviously isn't doing anything in training to force the manager's hand. We haven’t got any midfielders who can pass the ball forward incisively enough for him to be effective.
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Post by Smudge_SCFC on Jan 6, 2018 20:01:50 GMT
Diouf has been massively out of form since October. Crouch doesnt play well when he starts, and the team around him don't. He's had some decent games but again, how can you have an impact when you start 3 league games, none of which consecutively? If any other player doesn't score they stay in the team for ages, Saido is dropped no matter his performance. having a mobile striker, with some sort of first touch, however big his issues, would make a massive difference to our play. We wouldn't be playing so deep as the opposition have someone to worry about, and it would give more space for Shaq to operate in. The fact he hasn't had a run of games is because; 1) When he does play he has no impact on the game. If he actually contributed something then he might get a run of games. Crouch forced his way into the starting eleven because when he did come off the bench he scored goals. (Agree that he shouldn't be starting games, but it shows how making an impact as a sub can force your way in). 2) He obviously isn't doing anything in training to force the manager's hand. Agree with that unfortunately 😞 Something else to be considered is the year he hasn’t scored for West Brom before he signed for us. It’s getting close to 700 days since he last scored a competitive goal and in that time he’s missed FOUR straight penalties as well. He is a broken footballer and it’s horrible to see.
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Post by salopstick on Jan 6, 2018 20:04:25 GMT
The fact he hasn't had a run of games is because; 1) When he does play he has no impact on the game. If he actually contributed something then he might get a run of games. Crouch forced his way into the starting eleven because when he did come off the bench he scored goals. (Agree that he shouldn't be starting games, but it shows how making an impact as a sub can force your way in). 2) He obviously isn't doing anything in training to force the manager's hand. Agree with that unfortunately 😞 Something else to be considered is the year he hasn’t scored for West Brom before he signed for us. It’s getting close to 700 days since he last scored a competitive goal and in that time he’s missed FOUR straight penalties as well. He is a broken footballer and it’s horrible to see. one which a change of management may be able to fix. He seems to be in need of a clean slate A new manager bump may coincide with a firing Saido bump
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 20:05:15 GMT
Diouf has been massively out of form since October. Crouch doesnt play well when he starts, and the team around him don't. He's had some decent games but again, how can you have an impact when you start 3 league games, none of which consecutively? If any other player doesn't score they stay in the team for ages, Saido is dropped no matter his performance. having a mobile striker, with some sort of first touch, however big his issues, would make a massive difference to our play. We wouldn't be playing so deep as the opposition have someone to worry about, and it would give more space for Shaq to operate in. The fact he hasn't had a run of games is because; 1) When he does play he has no impact on the game. If he actually contributed something then he might get a run of games. Crouch forced his way into the starting eleven because when he did come off the bench he scored goals. (Agree that he shouldn't be starting games, but it shows how making an impact as a sub can force your way in). 2) He obviously isn't doing anything in training to force the manager's hand. 1) i think he had made an impact, we look better as an attacking unit when he plays. 2) I have no faith in the manager's ability to see quality in players.
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Post by Block 22 on Jan 6, 2018 20:07:03 GMT
Some people are really thick it winds me up. He needs to be given a platform to work from. Crouch gets that, a big ball over top that bypasses the midfield or a ball from a set play. That’s how he scores. Saido hasn’t got the physical size to be useful from that style of play. For the last 18 months that’s the only way we’ve played that’s been effective because our central midfielders are dire. That’s why Crouch is the only striker at the club who can score it’s not a coincidence. You could put Sergio Aguero in this side and he wouldn’t score with the level of service Saido has been given from our current crop of midfielders.
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Post by spiderpuss on Jan 6, 2018 20:11:33 GMT
We can talk about chances in the team all you like, he's just a very poor footballer and we spent two transfer windows trying to sign. He'll be bumming aound in the much lower leagues after Stoke. You see some strikers in the National league and they are far fitter and keener than Saido. Theres a very good reason he hasn't scored for 700 games.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jan 6, 2018 20:13:01 GMT
The fact he hasn't had a run of games is because; 1) When he does play he has no impact on the game. If he actually contributed something then he might get a run of games. Crouch forced his way into the starting eleven because when he did come off the bench he scored goals. (Agree that he shouldn't be starting games, but it shows how making an impact as a sub can force your way in). 2) He obviously isn't doing anything in training to force the manager's hand. Agree with that unfortunately 😞 Something else to be considered is the year he hasn’t scored for West Brom before he signed for us. It’s getting close to 700 days since he last scored a competitive goal and in that time he’s missed FOUR straight penalties as well. He is a broken footballer and it’s horrible to see. This. I've been desperately willing for him to come good but I've seen nothing in his year with us to suggest that he can play at this level.
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Post by Dr Hesham on Jan 6, 2018 20:16:43 GMT
Berahino cant play as striker alone, he needs to be something like a shadow striker beside another striker, he needs fast counter-attacks but the team is very slow playing with 5 defenders in addition to 4 midfielders with defensive tasks "except Shaqiri" - "and still the team defensively so bad"
This is the only way he can do something, I didst watch him before Stoke but in these 2 seasons I watched him in many games and I always feel it is hopeless to wait a goal from him, it is not appropriate to judge any player under the shitty Hughes tactics, but till now he is the man who played as a striker for the team for more minutes than Crouch, Diouf, Choupo, Walters ... etc., and he didn't leave any positive impact about himself.
If Hughes is going to continue it is better for Berahino to be loaned out, but I dont know why Hughes bought him ...
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Post by fletchthestokie1 on Jan 6, 2018 22:55:41 GMT
The entire Berahino saga, frankly, represents everything wrong with the Premier League. He had one good season at West Brom, one. And as soon as Spurs came knocking, he didn't give a shit about West Brom. He was only a kid and you can certainly understand him being desperate to move, but the way he burnt all of his bridges was disgraceful. In retrospect, he should have realised that (with Kane coming through) he would only have ended up being another Soldado or Janssen anyway. Even if moving was all he cared about, he should have got his head down and played for another big-money move. But instead he just gave up, put on loads of weight and got himself a drugs ban. There were six months on his contract when we decided to spunk £12m on him. We could have waited until the summer, got him on a pre-contract deal and paid a fraction of what we eventually did via a tribunal fee. But our stupidity and more-money-than-sense approach decided to go in for a player who was unfit to immediately play a role anyway. Then we wasted half a season trying to play him into fitness. Berahino ruined his own career, and Stoke were stupid enough to indulge him. I won't shed a tear for him or Mark Hughes. Just a massive shame that our football club will take the fall for it. 100% right. I couldn’t understand paying that money when we didn’t need to, and he was basically not playing any football for 18 months. That transfer decision allied to the Imbula transfer after seeing him play against us ONCE defies common sense and should see them all sacked. We needed a good Striker and good Center mid to replace Odemwingie / because we’ve never had one, and Nzonzi and failed badly.
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Post by prudhoe1981 on Jan 6, 2018 23:08:43 GMT
Maybe we should send this kid out on loan to a lower league club (perhaps the Vale). It hasn't worked out for him here. I'm not going to call him names as he seems like a nice enough lad, but I don't think he can cut it anymore in the Prem.
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Post by swampySCFC on Jan 6, 2018 23:11:35 GMT
Tone was pissing his socks off when we bought Berahino
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Post by simple on Jan 6, 2018 23:13:11 GMT
Pay is contract up and get him out of the door,it may cost a few million but he’s a bad apple,what must the younger players think of him.
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Post by hchpotter on Jan 6, 2018 23:13:25 GMT
Berahino cant play as striker alone, he needs to be something like a shadow striker beside another striker, he needs fast counter-attacks but the team is very slow playing with 5 defenders in addition to 4 midfielders with defensive tasks "except Shaqiri" - "and still the team defensively so bad" This is the only way he can do something, I didst watch him before Stoke but in these 2 seasons I watched him in many games and I always feel it is hopeless to wait a goal from him, it is not appropriate to judge any player under the shitty Hughes tactics, but till now he is the man who played as a striker for the team for more minutes than Crouch, Diouf, Choupo, Walters ... etc., and he didn't leave any positive impact about himself. If Hughes is going to continue it is better for Berahino to be loaned out, but I dont know why Hughes bought him ... Whatever system he plays in, a bloke who’s going to cost the club £4,160,000 a year over 5 years (i.e £20,800,000) in addition to his initial transfer fee of £12-13 million, should be capable of scoring at least one goal in 23 months. It’s easy to say “get him out on loan” or “move him on” but who else is going to stump up £80,000 a week for a serial failure with a history of going on strike, a drugs ban, and pissing about with nitros oxide?
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Post by thegift on Jan 6, 2018 23:14:05 GMT
Unfortunately the guy is absolutely wank. Looked lost today in a 4-4-2 against coventry.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 23:15:52 GMT
Unfortunately the guy is absolutely wank. Looked lost today in a 4-4-2 against coventry. In fairness, no defence of him today as i haven't seen it. But none of our players have ever played well in a 442.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2018 23:16:43 GMT
He will score against Huddersfield, mark my words.
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Post by thegift on Jan 6, 2018 23:17:13 GMT
Unfortunately the guy is absolutely wank. Looked lost today in a 4-4-2 against coventry. In fairness, no defence of him today as i haven't seen it. But none of our players have ever played well in a 442. Abysmal doesn't cut it. I doubt he would cut it at conference level.
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Post by hchpotter on Jan 6, 2018 23:18:15 GMT
Unfortunately the guy is absolutely wank. Looked lost today in a 4-4-2 against coventry. Couldn’t agree more. How often have we heard that he needs to play in a front two? Contributed nothing today in a front two playing against a 4th division defence.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 6, 2018 23:18:46 GMT
Sadly he needs to go on loan to a lower level and reestablish his confidence.
Another one where we need to write off a big loss
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Post by lennythegoose on Jan 6, 2018 23:21:35 GMT
Not a Mark Hughes signing Didn't he chase him for pretty much two years? Yup, although Pochettino courted him for a fair old while aswell. Bullet dodged by Spuds
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