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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 31, 2017 11:03:12 GMT
Mate of mine who's a barcode is adamant that they are the shittest team ever to grace a football pitch. Even shitter than previously shit relegated Geordie teams. He reckons if it wasn't for Rafa being able to 'organise' them, they'd be relegated by now. He is a bit of a manic depressive though. Sounds like we're in for a proper thriller tomorrow. They looked a decent side when they won at West Ham just before Christmas Mate just saying what he told me last night. Mind you he's a nutter. Lives in Burton and follows them home and away. Every game. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 31, 2017 11:03:42 GMT
Seriously, you're going with that now? 😁 Ok then ... I’m going with nothing. That was the original point. You’re the king of semantics you should understand surely? Mate if you want to have an argument with malteser suggesting thst we're not definitely the worst team in the league but we might be one of the three worst teams in the league, then be my guest ... I'd suggest it's a pretty churlish position to adopt though. |
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Post by estp1863 on Dec 31, 2017 11:03:47 GMT
Anything other than 3 points and he stays suggests to me the Coates' havn't got the stomach for the premiership & the large numbers involved anymore.
Hughes Out.
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Post by malteser68 on Dec 31, 2017 11:09:29 GMT
Thanks for pointing that out mate You’re welcome, you seemed to be struggling understanding that the worst team is actually the one with the least points that was all..... Once again i thank you from the bottom of my hearr for illuminating me on this complex matter Could i have the audacity to point out that statistics clearly show that the team with the worst GD almost inevitably finished in the bottom 3 Or have we come to the point that this club has been reduced to such an abysmal level that we are clinging to the hope that we will manage to avoid the drop in spite of being the tean with the worst GD in the division ? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 11:10:08 GMT
I’m going with nothing. That was the original point. You’re the king of semantics you should understand surely? Mate if you want to have an argument with malteser suggesting thst we're not definitely the worst team in the league but we might be one of the three worst teams in the league, then be my guest ... I'd suggest it's a pretty churlish position to adopt though. But that’s not what I’m arguing. And for the record in the 6/9/12/20 game, and even 2017 form tables we’re not in the bottom 3 either mate..... |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 31, 2017 11:17:13 GMT
You have seriously just posted that😄 Of course he has because it's true. By whatever measure you choose in terms of form table, league position etc,We areclearly not the worst team in the league. Whether we will be at the end of the season is open to debate but we aren't currently the worst team in the league, however much you might want us to be. We aren't even the 3rd worst team in the league by form tables are We? Sport doesn't work like that Dave though. We're currently in a race that will end in May and it is THEN that we will find out who were the best and worst competitors in that race. Just because a cyclist in the early stages of the tour de France isn't wearing the yellow jersey, doesn't then mean thst he isn't actually the best cyclist in the field at that time, we find out who that is at the end of the race. Yesterday morning ManU lay second in the table, this morning Chelsea lie second in the table, that doesn't that Chelsea are the second best team in the Premiership, we will find out who that is at the end of the season. Stoke City may well indeed be the worst team in the Premiership but we won't know for sure either way for a few more weeks yet. |
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Post by malteser68 on Dec 31, 2017 11:18:35 GMT
Thanks for pointing that out mate You’re welcome, you seemed to be struggling understanding that the worst team is actually the one with the least points that was all..... Just to elaborate a bit further in order to expound an argument which you seem to struggle to comprehend, these are the statistics of the last three years - Season 2016/17 worst GD Hull -43 Final position 18th relegated Season 2015/16 wordt GD Aston Villa -49 Final position 20th relegated Seasob 2014/15 worst GD QPR -31 Final position 20th relegated |
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Post by ed5993 on Dec 31, 2017 11:20:01 GMT
Imagine if Joselu scores the winner tomorrow.... I think that would sum up Hughes transfer activity perfectly
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 31, 2017 11:22:38 GMT
Mate if you want to have an argument with malteser suggesting thst we're not definitely the worst team in the league but we might be one of the three worst teams in the league, then be my guest ... I'd suggest it's a pretty churlish position to adopt though. But that’s not what I’m arguing. And for the record in the 6/9/12/20 game, and even 2017 form tables we’re not in the bottom 3 either mate..... I suspect the supporters of the bottom 6 or 7 teams would all say that their team is the shittest in the league despite none of the stats totally supporting that feeling. It's the way we are as football fans. We are clearly not the shitest by any measure. It just feels like we are. But my Newcastle supporting mate thinks they're the shitest. They're not either (but statistically they're worse than us). I agree we may end up the worst if we don't do SOMETHING this January rather than sitting on our hands (and money). |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 31, 2017 11:23:30 GMT
You have seriously just posted that😄 Of course he has because it's true. By whatever measure you choose in terms of form table, league position etc,We areclearly not the worst team in the league. Whether we will be at the end of the season is open to debate but we aren't currently the worst team in the league, however much you might want us to be. We aren't even the 3rd worst team in the league by form tables are We? There’s only one place this team is going and that’s the championship,only a change of manager will give us a chance imo. “However much you might want us to be” come on Dave you’re better than that🤔 |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 31, 2017 11:25:28 GMT
Of course he has because it's true. By whatever measure you choose in terms of form table, league position etc,We areclearly not the worst team in the league. Whether we will be at the end of the season is open to debate but we aren't currently the worst team in the league, however much you might want us to be. We aren't even the 3rd worst team in the league by form tables are We? Sport doesn't work like that Dave though. We're currently in a race that will end in May and it is THEN that we will find out who were the best and worst competitors in that race. Just because a cyclist in the early stages of the tour de France isn't wearing the yellow jersey, doesn't then mean thst he isn't actually the best cyclist in the field at that time, we find out who that is at the end of the race. Yesterday morning ManU lay second in the table, this morning Chelsea lie second in the table, that doesn't that Chelsea are the second best team in the Premiership, we will find out who that is at the end of the season. Stoke City may well indeed be the worst team in the Premiership but we won't know for sure either way for a few more weeks yet. That as maybe so but in the here and now, we are not the worst or even 3rd worst team in the league and we are still tracking ahead of last season's fixture set in terms of points accrual. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 31, 2017 11:28:01 GMT
Mate if you want to have an argument with malteser suggesting thst we're not definitely the worst team in the league but we might be one of the three worst teams in the league, then be my guest ... I'd suggest it's a pretty churlish position to adopt though. But that’s not what I’m arguing. And for the record in the 6/9/12/20 game, and even 2017 form tables we’re not in the bottom 3 either mate..... Oh absolutely and I actually agree with you, that's why I said originally that I wasn't fully behind maltesers point, even though I could completely understand it. As I said before, I just thought the 'points trump goal difference' comment was particularly flippant, as I understood that our horrendous goals conceded column could indeed be an indicator of how bad we actually are. Ultimately we'll find out at the end of the season. |
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Post by werrington on Dec 31, 2017 11:28:55 GMT
It’s all fine margins and Monday is another with huge potential 93rd minute v West Brom and a goalmouth scramble after an appalling second half display says that if they’d scored that ground would of exploded with venom...they miss and 20 seconds later we go up and break away for a 3rd goal and everybody goes up home happy...it’s all on a knife edge Spot on. This is the issue, it shouldn’t be on a knife edge though in my opinion, if there is a decision to be made on a new manager. There needs to be a definitive plan, which actually there probably is, clear in the Board’s mind. As much as the venom will surface if Castle beat us Coates is in this until the end of the season and the fans have to back it. Hughes will be gone at the end of the season. As with Pulis the ST sales will ultimately be the reason |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 31, 2017 11:30:04 GMT
Of course he has because it's true. By whatever measure you choose in terms of form table, league position etc,We areclearly not the worst team in the league. Whether we will be at the end of the season is open to debate but we aren't currently the worst team in the league, however much you might want us to be. We aren't even the 3rd worst team in the league by form tables are We? There’s only one place this team is going and that’s the championship,only a change of manager will give us a chance imo. “However much you might want us to be” come on Dave you’re better than that🤔 You keep repeating this like it is fact but it isn't. We have more points this season than last from the same fixture set, we are 14th in the table (I think) and we aren't in the bottom 3 of the current 6 or 10 game form table. We might be crap, we might be in a relegation scrap but current evidence suggests we'll finish just above the dreaded drop zone. That is wholly unacceptable but still goes against your often quoted opinion that you try to pass off as fact. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Dec 31, 2017 11:32:49 GMT
Imagine if Joselu scores the winner tomorrow.... I think that would sum up Hughes transfer activity perfectly It would sum his transfer activity up in as much as he should never have signed Joselu in the first place. Selling him was a good decision. He's been garbage at Newcastle. The only reason he's playing there is they haven't got anyone else. He's scored 3 goals in 18 games 2 of which were the spawniest ever. Dwight Gayle is the player we should fear. Pace and power although very hit and miss. Expect 'hit' tomorrow then.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 11:36:22 GMT
You’re welcome, you seemed to be struggling understanding that the worst team is actually the one with the least points that was all..... Just to elaborate a bit further in order to expound an argument which you seem to struggle to comprehend, these are the statistics of the last three years - Season 2016/17 worst GD Hull -43 Final position 18th relegated Season 2015/16 wordt GD Aston Villa -49 Final position 20th relegated Seasob 2014/15 worst GD QPR -31 Final position 20th relegated I enjoyed your shifting of the goal posts then as your original post said that our -23 gd proves we are the worst team in the league. Well the league table and various form tables stretched out over the calendar year shows that’s simply not true...... |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 31, 2017 11:36:59 GMT
Sport doesn't work like that Dave though. We're currently in a race that will end in May and it is THEN that we will find out who were the best and worst competitors in that race. Just because a cyclist in the early stages of the tour de France isn't wearing the yellow jersey, doesn't then mean thst he isn't actually the best cyclist in the field at that time, we find out who that is at the end of the race. Yesterday morning ManU lay second in the table, this morning Chelsea lie second in the table, that doesn't that Chelsea are the second best team in the Premiership, we will find out who that is at the end of the season. Stoke City may well indeed be the worst team in the Premiership but we won't know for sure either way for a few more weeks yet. That as maybe so but in the here and now, we are not the worst or even 3rd worst team in the league and we are still tracking ahead of last season's fixture set in terms of points accrual. I just can't agree with you here Dave. I don't actually know if we are the worst or one of the three worst teams in the league, just like I don't know if Chelsea or ManU are the second best team in the league. If we lose our next two games then we will very likely be in the bottom three, thst doesnt then mean that we have become one of three worst teams in the league during those two matches, we might ALREADY be one of the three worst teams in the league. Even then we might ultimately survive. We simply just don't know at the moment. |
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Post by scfc75 on Dec 31, 2017 11:37:48 GMT
Imagine if Joselu scores the winner tomorrow.... I think that would sum up Hughes transfer activity perfectly It would sum his transfer activity up in as much as he should never have signed Joselu in the first place. Selling him was a good decision. He's been garbage at Newcastle. The only reason he's playing there is they haven't got anyone else. He's scored 3 goals in 18 games 2 of which were the spawniest ever. Dwight Gayle is the player we should fear. Pace and power although very hit and miss. Expect 'hit' tomorrow then. You're right, he's been shit. They only signed him because he was available and they were running out of options after Tammy Abraham snubbed them for Swansea. It's very likely that had we kept him, he either wouldn't have played much, or would have also been shit for us. If he scores against us then as shit as our transfer activity has been, you can't blame Hughes or the transfer team. Blame Sod and his bloody law. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 11:38:01 GMT
But that’s not what I’m arguing. And for the record in the 6/9/12/20 game, and even 2017 form tables we’re not in the bottom 3 either mate..... Oh absolutely and I actually agree with you, that's why I said originally that I wasn't fully behind maltesers point, even though I could completely understand it. As I said before, I just thought the 'points trump goal difference' comment was particularly flippant, as I understood that our horrendous goals conceded column could indeed be an indicator of how bad we actually are. Ultimately we'll find out at the end of the season. We will mate. And if we end up on 44 points with a goal difference of -40 that will do for me!! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 11:38:44 GMT
That as maybe so but in the here and now, we are not the worst or even 3rd worst team in the league and we are still tracking ahead of last season's fixture set in terms of points accrual. I just can't agree with you here Dave. I don't actually know if we are the worst or one of the three worst teams in the league, just like I don't know if Chelsea or ManU are the second best team in the league. If we lose our next two games then we will very likely be in the bottom three, thst doesnt then mean that we have become one of three worst teams in the league during those two matches, we might ALREADY be one of the three worst teams in the league. Even then we might ultimately survive. We simply just don't know at the moment. And if we win them? |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 31, 2017 11:40:52 GMT
I just can't agree with you here Dave. I don't actually know if we are the worst or one of the three worst teams in the league, just like I don't know if Chelsea or ManU are the second best team in the league. If we lose our next two games then we will very likely be in the bottom three, thst doesnt then mean that we have become one of three worst teams in the league during those two matches, we might ALREADY be one of the three worst teams in the league. Even then we might ultimately survive. We simply just don't know at the moment. And if we win them? That's the very point I'm making. |
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Post by malteser68 on Dec 31, 2017 11:41:11 GMT
Just to elaborate a bit further in order to expound an argument which you seem to struggle to comprehend, these are the statistics of the last three years - Season 2016/17 worst GD Hull -43 Final position 18th relegated Season 2015/16 wordt GD Aston Villa -49 Final position 20th relegated Seasob 2014/15 worst GD QPR -31 Final position 20th relegated I enjoyed your shifting of the goal posts then as your original post said that our -23 gd proves we are the worst team in the league. Well the league table and various form tables stretched out over the calendar year show that’s simply not true...... I reiterate that in my opinion we are the worst team in the league as also evinced by our atrocious GD, the worst GD in the division a clear indicator that we are heading full steam ahead for relegation |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 11:43:14 GMT
I enjoyed your shifting of the goal posts then as your original post said that our -23 gd proves we are the worst team in the league. Well the league table and various form tables stretched out over the calendar year show that’s simply not true...... I reiterate that in my opinion we are the worst team in the league as also evinced by our atrocious GD, the worst GD in the division a clear indicator that we are heading full steam ahead for relegation Ah the goalposts have widened even further now. Fair enough..... |
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Post by march4 on Dec 31, 2017 11:43:35 GMT
This implies we will sign John Tudor and Alan Suddick and hope for the best.
Or we might really push the boat out for Kyle Lightbourne.
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Post by banksisgod on Dec 31, 2017 11:43:47 GMT
On the goal-difference issue, I think it simply shows that we are the worst performers against the best sides - we get walloped by them, when other teams manage to keep the score down. We remain competitive, relatively speaking, against most of the sides around us - occasionally, our appalling lack of pace will be exposed by a side like West Ham when they're on a good day - but mostly we get away with it against sides who are just as bad, if not worse, than us.
The awful thing is that these sides, on the rare occasions that they click, could kill us with pace. We never have that possibility.
My big worry is that, if Newcastle click tomorrow night, there is little we can do about it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 11:46:13 GMT
That's the very point I'm making. I know. And some of the same people saying we’re in the shit and already relegated will then be saying we’ve turned the corner. That’s the beauty of football forums I suppose.... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 11:48:42 GMT
On the goal-difference issue, I think it simply shows that we are the worst performers against the best sides - we get walloped by them, when other teams manage to keep the score down. We remain competitive, relatively speaking, against most of the sides around us - occasionally, our appalling lack of pace will be exposed by a side like West Ham when they're on a good day - but mostly we get away with it against sides who are just as bad, if not worse, than us. The awful thing is that these sides, on the rare occasions that they click, could kill us with pace. We never have that possibility. My big worry is that, if Newcastle click tomorrow night, there is little we can do about it. I see nothing to suggest that Newcastle will click anymore than we will though. It will be a tight cagey affair and the first goal will be absolutely vital. I just hope if it’s us that gets it we can hammer home the advantage instead of clinging in for dear life..... |
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Post by scfc75 on Dec 31, 2017 11:53:47 GMT
On the goal-difference issue, I think it simply shows that we are the worst performers against the best sides - we get walloped by them, when other teams manage to keep the score down. We remain competitive, relatively speaking, against most of the sides around us - occasionally, our appalling lack of pace will be exposed by a side like West Ham when they're on a good day - but mostly we get away with it against sides who are just as bad, if not worse, than us. The awful thing is that these sides, on the rare occasions that they click, could kill us with pace. We never have that possibility. My big worry is that, if Newcastle click tomorrow night, there is little we can do about it. Very true. 21 of our goals against have come in just 4 games against Chelsea, Spurs and Man City. Our record in all the other games is pretty average and stands up more or less to all the other teams around us. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 11:56:32 GMT
The players responded and proved the point that they are behind Hughes in the WBA game. It wasn't pretty at times and it doesn't have to be the next 17 games as long as we get enough points to finish roughly where we are now. If we do we can write off this season as the worst in five Hughes seasons but by no means the worst we have been through. He will be our manager regardless of the result vs Newcastle. I know some don't like it, but it's the only thing that makes sense. I know there are people out there who'd like the players to rebel against Hughes, but it's simply not on the table. I would argue that it does have to be pretty. We won against West Brom but it still felt shit afterwards. It's not just about the winning. It's the manner of the performances too. We're awful whatever the result and as fans we all want more than that. Our goals against column tells us we're amongst the worst sides in the league and we're going down. Simple as that. We can avoid going down by getting our hands and feet dirty and forget about pretty. You can't be pretty in a fight against relegation. I have no problem with the team that was selected yesterday but we should have parked the bus for that game instead of trying to mix it with players who are way better than us. In the unlikely event of us getting 15 points from our next 8 games then we can start looking for pretty again. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 31, 2017 12:04:07 GMT
That as maybe so but in the here and now, we are not the worst or even 3rd worst team in the league and we are still tracking ahead of last season's fixture set in terms of points accrual. I just can't agree with you here Dave. I don't actually know if we are the worst or one of the three worst teams in the league, just like I don't know if Chelsea or ManU are the second best team in the league. If we lose our next two games then we will very likely be in the bottom three, thst doesnt then mean that we have become one of three worst teams in the league during those two matches, we might ALREADY be one of the three worst teams in the league. Even then we might ultimately survive. We simply just don't know at the moment. I agree. You can never tell how good or bad anyone is until the final league placing are confirmed. Malteser said we are the worst team in the league and clearly that isn't the case right now. It might be in May but it isn't now. |
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