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Post by johnnysoul60 on Dec 30, 2017 19:33:18 GMT
Even if we win on Monday Hughes will take us down .There is no spirit in that squad bar four or five players.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Dec 30, 2017 19:38:19 GMT
Well said mate, a rarity on this board commen sense level headed thinking👍 If you're going to preach common sense at least spell it right... I don't mind him leaving Allen out but the changes do not excuse the performance. Chelsea rested Hazard and Fabregas and Bakayoko . They are meant to be premiership players and a league 2 side would have.done better than us today . Without Jack it could have been 10 wake the fuck up.
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 30, 2017 19:38:58 GMT
Yes but the point is Hughes is going to be here every home game. Lose or sack. We can't go on like this its ridiculous. He needs the sack tonight not on Monday. Ridiculous. We need a response from the players who want to prove a point because the manager is unable to get a respose from them. He's finished and should have gone weeks and weeks ago. It will turn ugly on Monday. My reasoning exactly. I supported him implacably until the loss against West Ham. We then reached a point where his job "depended" on the next result. I reached the conclusion that enough was enough. We were failing to beat our peers (Brighton, Palace, West Ham) and the goals were drying up; two of the main reasons I defended Hughes. When you have reached the point when it all depends on the next match result, IMO it has already become too late.
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Post by rrrrleek on Dec 30, 2017 19:39:22 GMT
Who we going to get now lets get behind our manager
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 19:44:39 GMT
When does last chance mean last chance though Hughes is like a fucking cat. He could shit on Peter's lawn, and leave a dead Rat in Denise's knicker drawer, and he'd still be Top Cat.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 19:46:01 GMT
Waste money, lose the first 5-6 games, scrape a win in a shit game at home to a desperately shit side, lose for a month, scrape a win against another horse shit side....and repeat.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 19:46:54 GMT
If we lose on Monday, you’ll see this man in the dugout for the Coventry game.....
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 30, 2017 20:58:38 GMT
Hope, guess or some knowledge from inside?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 21:03:17 GMT
If we lose on Monday, you’ll see this man in the dugout for the Coventry game..... Not tonight mate.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 30, 2017 22:45:28 GMT
Even if we win on Monday Hughes will take us down .There is no spirit in that squad bar four or five players. So there is some spirit in that squad then?
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 30, 2017 22:51:47 GMT
Even if we win on Monday Hughes will take us down .There is no spirit in that squad bar four or five players. So there is some spirit in that squad then? I still think there is spirit in the squad. I don't think there is confidence though, especially when we play a top 6 side, it's like we're expecting a dicking. When we are playing a "peer" team we have spirit, and the players still seem to want to play for Hughes
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 22:57:29 GMT
Yes but the point is Hughes is going to be here every home game. Lose or sack. We can't go on like this its ridiculous. He needs the sack tonight not on Monday. Ridiculous. We need a response from the players who want to prove a point because the manager is unable to get a respose from them. He's finished and should have gone weeks and weeks ago. It will turn ugly on Monday. The players responded and proved the point that they are behind Hughes in the WBA game. It wasn't pretty at times and it doesn't have to be the next 17 games as long as we get enough points to finish roughly where we are now. If we do we can write off this season as the worst in five Hughes seasons but by no means the worst we have been through. He will be our manager regardless of the result vs Newcastle. I know some don't like it, but it's the only thing that makes sense. I know there are people out there who'd like the players to rebel against Hughes, but it's simply not on the table.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 22:59:43 GMT
Meanwhile Swansea get three points on the back of the new manager bounce. They were really lucky to get those, and "bounce" will soon wear off. Unlike us, Swansea simply don't have the players to stay up.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 31, 2017 3:13:01 GMT
Meanwhile Swansea get three points on the back of the new manager bounce. They were really lucky to get those, and "bounce" will soon wear off. Unlike us, Swansea simply don't have the players to stay up. I’m gobsmacked anyone still th8mks this is anywhere near a premier league squad
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Post by malteser68 on Dec 31, 2017 5:08:19 GMT
Monday has got fuck all to do with today. You play your best side available and try and get something from every game. (Especially when you're going down the pan). I actually got the feeling for the first time during sparky's interview today that he know he's fucked up? In an ideal world you always play your best side but equally you know what the uproar on here would be if Allen or Shaqiri had got injured where were risking them in a game we were never going to win etc etc And I don't believe we will sack him Monday even if we lose, he will get to the end of the season unless we are in the bottom 3 come March which I just don't see. If we lose on Monday we will be in the bottom 3 uninterrruptedly till the end of the season, unless hughes is sacked and the new guy in charge is given some money to spend in january
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 7:55:03 GMT
In an ideal world you always play your best side but equally you know what the uproar on here would be if Allen or Shaqiri had got injured where were risking them in a game we were never going to win etc etc And I don't believe we will sack him Monday even if we lose, he will get to the end of the season unless we are in the bottom 3 come March which I just don't see. If we lose on Monday we will be in the bottom 3 uninterrruptedly till the end of the season, unless hughes is sacked and the new guy in charge is given some money to spend in january You don't get in the bottom 3 just by losing, those who are already there will have to win some, which is why we haven't been there all season. Bad as we are there's just teams which are worse.
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Post by jeycov on Dec 31, 2017 7:59:49 GMT
After most of the team have had a weeks rest against a side who’ve had 2 days then some serious questions need to be asked about the clubs coaching / conditioning staff. For me if we fail to win it’s a bigger embarrassment than today. Newcastle rested / rotated their squad too We have no defenders to rest - I guess that Zouma would have played if we had different opponents
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Post by Beloved Monkfish on Dec 31, 2017 8:52:49 GMT
Yes but the point is Hughes is going to be here every home game. Lose or sack. We can't go on like this its ridiculous. He needs the sack tonight not on Monday. Ridiculous. We need a response from the players who want to prove a point because the manager is unable to get a respose from them. He's finished and should have gone weeks and weeks ago. It will turn ugly on Monday. The players responded and proved the point that they are behind Hughes in the WBA game. It wasn't pretty at times and it doesn't have to be the next 17 games as long as we get enough points to finish roughly where we are now. If we do we can write off this season as the worst in five Hughes seasons but by no means the worst we have been through. He will be our manager regardless of the result vs Newcastle. I know some don't like it, but it's the only thing that makes sense. I know there are people out there who'd like the players to rebel against Hughes, but it's simply not on the table. I would argue that it does have to be pretty. We won against West Brom but it still felt shit afterwards. It's not just about the winning. It's the manner of the performances too. We're awful whatever the result and as fans we all want more than that. Our goals against column tells us we're amongst the worst sides in the league and we're going down. Simple as that.
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Post by werrington on Dec 31, 2017 8:57:01 GMT
It’s all fine margins and Monday is another with huge potential
93rd minute v West Brom and a goalmouth scramble after an appalling second half display says that if they’d scored that ground would of exploded with venom...they miss and 20 seconds later we go up and break away for a 3rd goal and everybody goes up home happy...it’s all on a knife edge
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Post by towraytek on Dec 31, 2017 9:01:12 GMT
If (and its a big if) we win on Monday it will be 7 points from the four Christmas fixtures which would be a reasonable return from two home and two away in 10 days including Chelsea.
But it doesn't offer any relief from the usual pig-sick feeling after being tonked again by top-six opposition without putting up a fight. I can't ever remember a Stoke team having given up before we started, in any era since I started watching in the early 1960's. No matter how good they were, we always gave them a game. We seem to have lost our pride and for supporters that is unforgivable.
In this obsession with staying in the Premiership we have completely lost our identity. All we are doing, week after week, is reinforcing our second class status with nothing to aspire to beyond mid-table mediocrity and the odd cup run.
The whole thing needs a shake-up. It's not supporter protest that we are most threatened with; that at least shows passion. It's an increasing level of apathy, with Stoke City FC having become the football equivalent of a side order of fries.
Ek
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Post by malteser68 on Dec 31, 2017 9:02:29 GMT
If we lose on Monday we will be in the bottom 3 uninterrruptedly till the end of the season, unless hughes is sacked and the new guy in charge is given some money to spend in january You don't get in the bottom 3 just by losing, those who are already there will have to win some, which is why we haven't been there all season. Bad as we are there's just teams which are worse. Ok we wont be in the bottom 3 on monday but probably the following week We are the worst team in the prem as our -23 GD clearly goes to show
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 31, 2017 9:05:19 GMT
I don't think this is his last chance,unless we have someone in mind to take over,if we haven't,what would be the point in going into a transfer window with no manager?
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Post by xchpotter on Dec 31, 2017 9:05:23 GMT
This season was written off weeks ago for me. It’s purely a case of damage limitation. As long as we keep our heads above water I can begrudgingly accept the top six thrashings provided we stay up. I then have to assume new manager and new start next season hopefully in the Premier League with no sign of Hughes.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 9:12:27 GMT
You don't get in the bottom 3 just by losing, those who are already there will have to win some, which is why we haven't been there all season. Bad as we are there's just teams which are worse. Ok we wont be in the bottom 3 on monday but probably the following week We are the worst team in the prem as our -23 GD clearly goes to show Points override goal difference just so you know....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 9:12:53 GMT
You don't get in the bottom 3 just by losing, those who are already there will have to win some, which is why we haven't been there all season. Bad as we are there's just teams which are worse. Ok we wont be in the bottom 3 on monday but probably the following week We are the worst team in the prem as our -23 GD clearly goes to show The following week is the FA Cup.....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 9:16:55 GMT
If (and its a big if) we win on Monday it will be 7 points from the four Christmas fixtures which would be a reasonable return from two home and two away in 10 days including Chelsea. But it doesn't offer any relief from the usual pig-sick feeling after being tonked again by top-six opposition without putting up a fight. I can't ever remember a Stoke team having given up before we started, in any era since I started watching in the early 1960's. No matter how good they were, we always gave them a game. We seem to have lost our pride and for supporters that is unforgivable. In this obsession with staying in the Premiership we have completely lost our identity. All we are doing, week after week, is reinforcing our second class status with nothing to aspire to beyond mid-table mediocrity and the odd cup run. The whole thing needs a shake-up. It's not supporter protest that we are most threatened with; that at least shows passion. It's an increasing level of apathy, with Stoke City FC having become the football equivalent of a side order of fries. Ek 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
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Post by Fred Ferret on Dec 31, 2017 9:30:51 GMT
With the whole defence out today we had no chance, Hughes put his eggs in one basket for monday. Did anyone think we could get a point with all four first choice defenders out?? Wasn't worth risking Allen one booking away from missing Monday also. On the one hand, yes it was a pragmatic decision but also, potentially, a no win one. What about another layer of shattered confidence experienced by the players - That’s why I can’t forsee us beating Newcastle after this.
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Post by Davef on Dec 31, 2017 9:42:25 GMT
Meanwhile Swansea get three points on the back of the new manager bounce. Up against the bluffer whose team we got our only away win and clean sheet against and who a lot of Stoke fans would have as our manager tomorrow, given the chance.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 31, 2017 9:47:57 GMT
Yes but the point is Hughes is going to be here every home game. Lose or sack. We can't go on like this its ridiculous. He needs the sack tonight not on Monday. Ridiculous. We need a response from the players who want to prove a point because the manager is unable to get a respose from them. He's finished and should have gone weeks and weeks ago. It will turn ugly on Monday. The players responded and proved the point that they are behind Hughes in the WBA game. It wasn't pretty at times and it doesn't have to be the next 17 games as long as we get enough points to finish roughly where we are now. If we do we can write off this season as the worst in five Hughes seasons but by no means the worst we have been through. He will be our manager regardless of the result vs Newcastle. I know some don't like it, but it's the only thing that makes sense. I know there are people out there who'd like the players to rebel against Hughes, but it's simply not on the table. Giving up at 2-0 is not rebelling against the manager then ?
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Post by malteser68 on Dec 31, 2017 9:56:08 GMT
Ok we wont be in the bottom 3 on monday but probably the following week We are the worst team in the prem as our -23 GD clearly goes to show Points override goal difference just so you know.... Thanks for pointing that out mate
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