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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 17, 2017 10:25:39 GMT
Nobody is asking them to broadcast what they're doing Geoff.
But rather I'm saying that you can't excuse them for not having an actual replacement because they haven't gone out and found one.
The onus is and always has been on the board.
Are they actually giving Hughes time to sort it out or is Hughes getting time because they don't know what else the fuck to do? The two are very different things.
I know what you're saying and I don't often agree with Geoff but the first thing I want to hear leaked in the media is who they have approached because I dread hearing they've finally sacked him and will now begin a search for his successor.
I've not remotely suggested that though have I? That's a straw man that Geoff has come up with.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 17, 2017 10:29:02 GMT
It's been two years of drivel.
Something posted on a different reminded me of the summer transfer thread and how davesviews was posting and taking the criticism that was being sent the clubs way. It was pretty pathetic stuff and he imo works for the club and that to me shows where there were then and are now.
They are so deluded it's untrue. Something has to stop and I fear it will be people going the game. There was already talk of not renewing and this is from people who have watched League One football at The Brit. What has been built over these last 10 years is falling apart hence my stance over these last 2 years. I wasn't doing it for effect or to be contrary. It was obvious what is going on and big changes are needed.
Hughes has to go now.
Scholes has to go in the summer.
Coates needs to evaluate if he's still doing a good job and making the right calls.
We've been left so far behind on the pitch it's scary. And I get why people didn't want to see it so early because it's not very nice but everyone needs to wake up now and push for change.
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Post by alster on Dec 17, 2017 10:29:34 GMT
I know what you're saying and I don't often agree with Geoff but the first thing I want to hear leaked in the media is who they have approached because I dread hearing they've finally sacked him and will now begin a search for his successor.
I've not remotely suggested that though have I? That's a straw man that Geoff has come up with.
In all honesty it wouldn't surprise me from Coates he lives in a different age.
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Post by geoff321 on Dec 17, 2017 10:30:17 GMT
The board appears to have decided to stick with Hughes, untill that decision is reversed I cannot see how you could hold any meaningful talks with possible replacements.
You're completely contradicting yourself Geoff.
You've just said that it would be folly to sack Hughes until we have a definite replacement lined up and now your saying that we can't get a replacement lined up until we sack Hughes.
I'm saying the board has to take the decision in private that they want to change manager, not that they should sack Hughes immediately, I'm clearly struggling to get you to see the difference.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 17, 2017 10:30:45 GMT
The board are probably dealing with this mini crisis in the correct way. Firstly they have given Hughes time to see if he can turn the results round, if they now believe he can't then other options are going to be looked at. They can't broadcast what they are doing, they have to be seen to be backing their manager in public and for certain the most dangerous thing to do is to sack Hughes without a first class replacement having been identified. Mini crises?! Wow.. your head is buried sooooooo deep in the sand Geoff. He's still buzzing from the Fail winning yesterday
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Post by scfcno1fan on Dec 17, 2017 10:34:03 GMT
Absolute, comprehensive no.
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Post by alster on Dec 17, 2017 10:34:42 GMT
It's been two years of drivel. Something posted on a different reminded me of the summer transfer thread and how davesviews was posting and taking the criticism that was being sent the clubs way. It was pretty pathetic stuff and he imo works for the club and that to me shows where there were then and are now. They are so deluded it's untrue. Something has to stop and I fear it will be people going the game. There was already talk of not renewing and this is from people who have watched League One football at The Brit. What has been built over these last 10 years is falling apart hence my stance over these last 2 years. I wasn't doing it for effect or to be contrary. It was obvious what is going on and big changes are needed. Hughes has to go now. Scholes has to go in the summer. Coates needs to evaluate if he's still doing a good job and making the right calls. We've been left so far behind on the pitch it's scary. And I get why people didn't want to see it so early because it's not very nice but everyone needs to wake up now and push for change. Coates needs to put his hand in his pocket and leave the day to day running of the club to someone who operates well in this dog eat dog business but he still has some melancholy view about a family dynasty like his idea of a manager dynasty he's totally out of touch with the world of football as it is not as it was.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 17, 2017 10:35:37 GMT
You're completely contradicting yourself Geoff.
You've just said that it would be folly to sack Hughes until we have a definite replacement lined up and now your saying that we can't get a replacement lined up until we sack Hughes.
I'm saying the board has to take the decision in private that they want to change manager, not that they should sack Hughes immediately, I'm clearly struggling to get you to see the difference.
If they haven't got a new man in place, then yes they absolutely can't sack him now.
But what I'm saying is that you specifically can't excuse the board for not sacking him now simply because they haven't bothered to get a new man in place.
It's a complete dereliction of duty on their part.
As I've already said, I'm far from convinced that they are giving Hughes more time, rather that Hughes is only getting more time because they actually haven't got the foggiest idea what to do as an alternative.
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Post by geoff321 on Dec 17, 2017 10:38:18 GMT
The board are probably dealing with this mini crisis in the correct way. Firstly they have given Hughes time to see if he can turn the results round, if they now believe he can't then other options are going to be looked at. They can't broadcast what they are doing, they have to be seen to be backing their manager in public and for certain the most dangerous thing to do is to sack Hughes without a first class replacement having been identified. Mini crises?! Wow.. your head is buried sooooooo deep in the sand Geoff. A few more defeats and it becomes a full blown crisis, the issue though is whether sacking Hughes immediately is the correct decision, fans are calling for his head without any idea who would take over.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 17, 2017 10:39:49 GMT
Thought I’d make an appearance after weeks of abject mindless none sense on here. Those calling for Pulis are either reckless or stupid. What about a term we Stoke fans often struggle with and that is “vision” I’ve listened to some moronic supporters saying he is the best option at the moment. What about thinking about the future and not the next few games. So what if the club goes down. A proper skilled manager can rebuild instead of this fear and panic. I said some months ago we should look at the board at the club as they are not major investors. Suffice to say I got hammere. Some weeks on my comments are coming true. Come on Stoke have some real vision. Pulis re built a squad and got that squad into the PL consolidated the position took them to an FA Cup Final and into Europe ! that club is our club ! if as it appears we are going down maybe we should be looking for exactly that type of manager, would you trust Hughes to bring us back up ?
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 17, 2017 10:41:13 GMT
It's been two years of drivel. Something posted on a different reminded me of the summer transfer thread and how davesviews was posting and taking the criticism that was being sent the clubs way. It was pretty pathetic stuff and he imo works for the club and that to me shows where there were then and are now. They are so deluded it's untrue. Something has to stop and I fear it will be people going the game. There was already talk of not renewing and this is from people who have watched League One football at The Brit. What has been built over these last 10 years is falling apart hence my stance over these last 2 years. I wasn't doing it for effect or to be contrary. It was obvious what is going on and big changes are needed. Hughes has to go now. Scholes has to go in the summer. Coates needs to evaluate if he's still doing a good job and making the right calls. We've been left so far behind on the pitch it's scary. And I get why people didn't want to see it so early because it's not very nice but everyone needs to wake up now and push for change. Coates needs to put his hand in his pocket and leave the day to day running of the club to someone who operates well in this dog eat dog business but he still has some melancholy view about a family dynasty like his idea of a manager dynasty he's totally out of touch with the world of football as it is not as it was. Attachment Deleted
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 17, 2017 10:43:38 GMT
Mini crises?! Wow.. your head is buried sooooooo deep in the sand Geoff. A few more defeats and it becomes a full blown crisis, the issue though is whether sacking Hughes immediately is the correct decision, fans are calling for his head without any idea who would take over. Who would you install as new manager ? it's irrelevant what the fans think the next manager will be chosen by the board, one thing for deffo. is Hughes is not working and this has been going down the shitter for the last 18 months.
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Post by mozzer on Dec 17, 2017 10:45:26 GMT
Sandoz on radio stoke said he'd been watching Coates in the directors box, and at 2-0 was looking around at the empty seats. Said he got up 'looking serious' (whatever that means) and left What a twat leaving early call him a supporter. Them bus queues are getting worse so I cant blame him for leaving early, especially sitting around the other side of the ground from the bus stop
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Post by geoff321 on Dec 17, 2017 10:49:43 GMT
A few more defeats and it becomes a full blown crisis, the issue though is whether sacking Hughes immediately is the correct decision, fans are calling for his head without any idea who would take over. Who would you install as new manager ? it's irrelevant what the fans think the next manager will be chosen by the board, one thing for deffo. is Hughes is not working and this has been going down the shitter for the last 18 months. If Hughes is sacked the new manager has to be in place within hours, that's what I'm trying to get across, to sack him and wait for several weeks could be fatal.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 17, 2017 10:51:22 GMT
It's been two years of drivel. Something posted on a different reminded me of the summer transfer thread and how davesviews was posting and taking the criticism that was being sent the clubs way. It was pretty pathetic stuff and he imo works for the club and that to me shows where there were then and are now. They are so deluded it's untrue. Something has to stop and I fear it will be people going the game. There was already talk of not renewing and this is from people who have watched League One football at The Brit. What has been built over these last 10 years is falling apart hence my stance over these last 2 years. I wasn't doing it for effect or to be contrary. It was obvious what is going on and big changes are needed. Hughes has to go now. Scholes has to go in the summer. Coates needs to evaluate if he's still doing a good job and making the right calls. We've been left so far behind on the pitch it's scary. And I get why people didn't want to see it so early because it's not very nice but everyone needs to wake up now and push for change. Time for us to stop been nice grow a pair and sort the mess out starting with lethargic Les.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 17, 2017 10:52:10 GMT
Who would you install as new manager ? it's irrelevant what the fans think the next manager will be chosen by the board, one thing for deffo. is Hughes is not working and this has been going down the shitter for the last 18 months. If Hughes is sacked the new manager has to be in place within hours, that's what I'm trying to get across, to sack him and wait for several weeks could be fatal. Everton !!!!!!!!!
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Post by geoff321 on Dec 17, 2017 10:57:14 GMT
If Hughes is sacked the new manager has to be in place within hours, that's what I'm trying to get across, to sack him and wait for several weeks could be fatal. Everton !!!!!!!!! I thought Everton had a number of poor results after sacking their manager, we cant afford to have a caretaker manager for several weeks.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 17, 2017 10:58:56 GMT
I thought Everton had a number of poor results after sacking their manager, we cant afford to have a caretaker manager for several weeks. No worse than our results !
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Dec 17, 2017 11:25:51 GMT
As some of you will be aware, I've backed Hughes and fought his corner on here for the last 2 seasons. I was beginning to wobble after the Spurs game but yesterday did it for me. Unfortunately he has to go in my opinion after yesterday. I'd prefer him to resign,so that he can walk out with some dignity. I'll be eternally grateful for some of the football that we've played under Hughes. I'm gutted that it has come to this to be honest. I've never wanted a manager to succeed as much as Hughes, simply because he turned us into a magnificent football team and gave us all hope of winning something. I will never boo him, or the team for the record. I just hope that he has a good think today and hands in his resignation tomorrow.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 17, 2017 11:32:58 GMT
As some of you will be aware, I've backed Hughes and fought his corner on here for the last 2 seasons. I was beginning to wobble after the Spurs game but yesterday did it for me. Unfortunately he has to go in my opinion after yesterday. I'd prefer him to resign,so that he can walk out with some dignity. I'll be eternally grateful for some of the football that we've played under Hughes. I'm gutted that it has come to this to be honest. I've never wanted a manager to succeed as much as Hughes, simply because he turned us into a magnificent football team and gave us all hope of winning something. I will never boo him, or the team for the record. I just hope that he has a good think today and hands in his resignation tomorrow. He should walk away after yesterdays failure if he has any pride in himself or respect for the club.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Dec 17, 2017 11:35:26 GMT
If Hughes stays the fans will go which makes a mockery of the stadium expansion and the expense of it.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 17, 2017 11:37:18 GMT
If Hughes stays the fans will go which makes a mockery of the stadium expansion and the expense of it. Could be the only thing that would give Coates the kick up the arse he needs to fcuk Hughes off.
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Post by mozzer on Dec 17, 2017 11:38:21 GMT
As some of you will be aware, I've backed Hughes and fought his corner on here for the last 2 seasons. I was beginning to wobble after the Spurs game but yesterday did it for me. Unfortunately he has to go in my opinion after yesterday. I'd prefer him to resign,so that he can walk out with some dignity. I'll be eternally grateful for some of the football that we've played under Hughes. I'm gutted that it has come to this to be honest. I've never wanted a manager to succeed as much as Hughes, simply because he turned us into a magnificent football team and gave us all hope of winning something. I will never boo him, or the team for the record. I just hope that he has a good think today and hands in his resignation tomorrow. The only good Hughes team was when he inherited a Pulis side with all the steel and organisation that went with it and he sprinkled a little bit of flair and talent to give us the entertainment........ That lasted until around 2 years ago when we went from a good side to a dog shit side virtually overnight.....when he basically ripped the Pulis part out of the team and went virtually 100% a Hughes team From Doncaster away (bar the Liverpool LC semi away at Anfield) we have been diabolical and at times a fucking embaresment to the red and white stripes, any one with any pride would be alarmed at the continual dickings ( and thats fuck all do with a Scrooge) we have been recieving, not us we make up more and more excuses and accept it The bloke is fucking clueless, and my club deserves better.....unortunately as I have said on the thread I started I feel we have no choice at this stage the bet365 brand will suffer the most
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 17, 2017 11:51:29 GMT
As some of you will be aware, I've backed Hughes and fought his corner on here for the last 2 seasons. I was beginning to wobble after the Spurs game but yesterday did it for me. Unfortunately he has to go in my opinion after yesterday. I'd prefer him to resign,so that he can walk out with some dignity. I'll be eternally grateful for some of the football that we've played under Hughes. I'm gutted that it has come to this to be honest. I've never wanted a manager to succeed as much as Hughes, simply because he turned us into a magnificent football team and gave us all hope of winning something. I will never boo him, or the team for the record. I just hope that he has a good think today and hands in his resignation tomorrow. The only good Hughes team was when he inherited a Pulis side with all the steel and organisation that went with it and he sprinkled a little bit of flair and talent to give us the entertainment........ That lasted until around 2 years ago when we went from a good side to a dog shit side virtually overnight.....when he basically ripped the Pulis part out of the team and went virtually 100% a Hughes team From Doncaster away (bar the Liverpool LC semi away at Anfield) we have been diabolical and at times a fucking embaresment to the red and white stripes, any one with any pride would be alarmed at the continual dickings ( and thats fuck all do with a Scrooge) we have been recieving, not us we make up more and more excuses and accept it The bloke is fucking clueless, and my club deserves better.....unortunately as I have said on the thread I started I feel we have no choice at this stage the bet365 brand will suffer the mostThe only thing that puzzles me is how people could not see what Hughes has been doing to the squad in the past two seasons, he has ripped the heart and passion out of the players, getting rid of the players with any determination and drive replacing them with heartless mercenaries and injury prone show ponies. I am sick of all the bullshit excuses from many on here and the management, fact is Hughes is the manager this is his team this is his fault.
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Post by johnnyjarvis on Dec 17, 2017 12:59:30 GMT
How can anyone with an once of footballing knowledge only now say they think Hughes has to go???. Comments like I have backed for the last two years but yesterday was the final straw. Seriously, what level of ambition is out there?
At what point to we stop saying we are a small club from Stoke. Also, just because we are a working class city does not mean we can aspire to greater heights.
I am tired of apathy from every quarter. We need to see what a great city we are with loads of potential. This should rub off on our football club.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 17, 2017 13:06:55 GMT
Who would you install as new manager ? it's irrelevant what the fans think the next manager will be chosen by the board, one thing for deffo. is Hughes is not working and this has been going down the shitter for the last 18 months. If Hughes is sacked the new manager has to be in place within hours, that's what I'm trying to get across, to sack him and wait for several weeks could be fatal. Can't argue with that. You'd expect that at the very least since the Spurs game that Coates would be sounding out options
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 17, 2017 13:07:06 GMT
How can anyone with an once of footballing knowledge only now say they think Hughes has to go???. Comments like I have backed for the last two years but yesterday was the final straw. Seriously, what level of ambition is out there? At what point to we stop saying we are a small club from Stoke. Also, just because we are a working class city does not mean we can aspire to greater heights. I am tired of apathy from every quarter. We need to see what a great city we are with loads of potential. This should rub off on our football club. These people have been a part of the problem, the apathy amongst the home support has been worrying over the past 18 months seems the tide has turned at last but it is to late !, we have been brainwashed by the three ninth place finish merchants truth is we are wank.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 17, 2017 13:10:16 GMT
As some of you will be aware, I've backed Hughes and fought his corner on here for the last 2 seasons. I was beginning to wobble after the Spurs game but yesterday did it for me. Unfortunately he has to go in my opinion after yesterday. I'd prefer him to resign,so that he can walk out with some dignity. I'll be eternally grateful for some of the football that we've played under Hughes. I'm gutted that it has come to this to be honest. I've never wanted a manager to succeed as much as Hughes, simply because he turned us into a magnificent football team and gave us all hope of winning something. I will never boo him, or the team for the record. I just hope that he has a good think today and hands in his resignation tomorrow. He should walk away after yesterdays failure if he has any pride in himself or respect for the club. It's not that simple I'd suggest. Resign and he could be out of paid employment for a considerable period of time, why would he do that when he has a valuable contract in place. If we were following the resign/pride logic then a few of the players should be also lumped into that bracket I'd like to see him "resign" with a settlement I
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 17, 2017 13:15:41 GMT
He should walk away after yesterdays failure if he has any pride in himself or respect for the club. It's not that simple I'd suggest. Resign and he could be out of paid employment for a considerable period of time, why would he do that when he has a valuable contract in place. If we were following the resign/pride logic then a few of the players should be also lumped into that bracket I'd like to see him "resign" with a settlement I I have already suggested some of the players should resign although I would not have resigned Johnson, Affelay or Ireland , seriously there are players playing with no effort or pride is that down to them or their manager, Hughes has plenty of money to live off or is he just a greedy twat with no morals ?
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 17, 2017 13:20:43 GMT
It's not that simple I'd suggest. Resign and he could be out of paid employment for a considerable period of time, why would he do that when he has a valuable contract in place. If we were following the resign/pride logic then a few of the players should be also lumped into that bracket I'd like to see him "resign" with a settlement I I have already suggested some of the players should resign although I would not have resigned Johnson, Affelay or Ireland , seriously there are players playing with no effort or pride is that down to them or their manager, Hughes has plenty of money to live off or is he just a greedy twat with no morals ? Unfortunately I don't think human nature is like that, once you attain a level/position/status in life it's very difficult to take a step back/down. Many people far worse off than us probably looking at us thinking why do they need a car, a holiday, live in a 2/3/4/5 bed house etc
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