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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 20:30:51 GMT
I believe some of his recent decisions have been influenced by the crowd, including today's subs, and for that reason I'm out. I know he defends him all the time but savage commented on whether certain players were his choices during 606 tonight. For those reasons, im happy for him to go now. He's been weak enough to let the lunatics take over the asylum. The big worry is Dave, is if the lunatics have taken over the asylum, then a really weak yes man appointment will follow.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 16, 2017 20:32:14 GMT
I believe some of his recent decisions have been influenced by the crowd, including today's subs, and for that reason I'm out. I know he defends him all the time but savage commented on whether certain players were his choices during 606 tonight. For those reasons, im happy for him to go now. He's been weak enough to let the lunatics take over the asylum. The big worry is Dave, is if the lunatics have taken over the asylum, then a really weak yes man appointment will follow. And my fear is that is exactly what hughes has become
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 16, 2017 20:33:37 GMT
His general record with what he’s had to deal with is good - there’s no point in trying to erase history. He is making some poor decisions right now but so are the owners and recruiters - there’s a fair bit wrong with the club and he is just an element of it. I’m not saying he has a long term future - just a future to get through to the end of the season and finish in 17th place. I have to admit your loyalty is commendable, still what exactly has he won a PL manager ? has he achieved as much as Toxic Tony ? As a manager generally he’s consistently finished higher so yes? You can want him gone without rewriting history and pretending it’s been five seasons of hell because it really hasn’t, has it?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 20:36:03 GMT
Come on guys the team's in transition, it's all about financial stability and bringing young players through...... keep the faith etc. He's not going to bring young players through. Ngoy and Edwards was on the bench and stayed there - again. Josh did come on but for what?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 20:36:37 GMT
If they have someone in the wings ready to take over bring it on, if not may as well give him the next couple of games as the same group of players under the guidance of Kevin Russell and Glynn Hodges doesn’t fill me with much confidence......
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 16, 2017 20:36:39 GMT
The big worry is Dave, is if the lunatics have taken over the asylum, then a really weak yes man appointment will follow. And my fear is that is exactly what hughes has become The crowd are picking the team and picking substitutions you really are grasping at straws now the bottom of the barrel has been well and truly reached scrape, scrape scrape, no the manager picks the team and choses the substitutions that is what he is paid to do
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Post by iglugluk on Dec 16, 2017 20:38:25 GMT
Come on guys the team's in transition, it's all about financial stability and bringing young players through...... keep the faith etc. He's not going to bring young players through. Ngoy and Edwards was on the bench and stayed there - again. Josh did come on but for what? You need to understand that I'm being ironical......read all my posts over the last year and a half pretty much
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 16, 2017 20:39:32 GMT
I have to admit your loyalty is commendable, still what exactly has he won a PL manager ? has he achieved as much as Toxic Tony ? As a manager generally he’s consistently finished higher so yes? You can want him gone without rewriting history and pretending it’s been five seasons of hell because it really hasn’t, has it? He finished lower than Toxic last season ! not rewriting history mate and no the first two and a bit seasons were very good the last two and a half are a different kettle of fish though, we are no better even possibly worse than we were at the end of the Pulis era.
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Post by geoff321 on Dec 16, 2017 20:39:58 GMT
There can't be any fan who didn't think this was a game Hughes had to win, he hasn't got the win and Coates will be a worried man now.
Nevertheless the daftest thing the club could do is to sack Hughes without having any idea who would replace him, it's also probably true that good decisions are rarely taken by panicking, which a fair few on here are doing tonight.
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Post by NassauDave on Dec 16, 2017 20:40:43 GMT
FUCK NO!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 16, 2017 20:40:49 GMT
And my fear is that is exactly what hughes has become The crowd are picking the team and picking substitutions you really are grasping at straws now the bottom of the barrel has been well and truly reached scrape, scrape scrape, no the manager picks the team and choses the substitutions that is what he is paid to do 4-4-2 has been forced on him due to pressurefrom the crowd. Hes trying give us something he perceives we want in the hope it will keep the baying masses quiet. Hes trying to save his skin instead of managing the team. Todays subsitutions were his worst ever.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 16, 2017 20:41:58 GMT
There can't be any fan who didn't think this was a game Hughes had to win, he hasn't got the win and Coates will be a worried man now. Nevertheless the daftest thing the club could do is to sack Hughes without having any idea who would replace him, it's also probably true that good decisions are rarely taken by panicking, which a fair few on here are doing tonight. Geoff, What is going to get better, based on what you’ve seen today and throughout the season? Which specific weaknesses are going to be addressed?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Dec 16, 2017 20:42:23 GMT
Savage still backing Hughes then? He's the biggest rimmer on the planet.
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Post by harryburrows on Dec 16, 2017 20:45:19 GMT
There can't be any fan who didn't think this was a game Hughes had to win, he hasn't got the win and Coates will be a worried man now. Nevertheless the daftest thing the club could do is to sack Hughes without having any idea who would replace him, it's also probably true that good decisions are rarely taken by panicking, which a fair few on here are doing tonight. What is it that Hughes will do to change or improve the situation by staying on as manager .
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 16, 2017 20:46:31 GMT
The crowd are picking the team and picking substitutions you really are grasping at straws now the bottom of the barrel has been well and truly reached scrape, scrape scrape, no the manager picks the team and choses the substitutions that is what he is paid to do 4-4-2 has been forced on him due to pressurefrom the crowd. Hes trying give us something he perceives we want in the hope it will keep the baying masses quiet. Hes trying to save his skin instead of managing the team. Todays subsitutions were his worst ever. If there is any possible truth in that garbage he needs to be sacked for gross misconduct, no manager would ever be swayed from his plan by supporters unless he is totally feckin spineless.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 16, 2017 20:46:34 GMT
Savage still backing Hughes then? He's the biggest rimmer on the planet. Lampard, Ferdinand and McManaman have just said to give him time! It's not your fucking club, you wankers!
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 16, 2017 20:48:02 GMT
There can't be any fan who didn't think this was a game Hughes had to win, he hasn't got the win and Coates will be a worried man now. Nevertheless the daftest thing the club could do is to sack Hughes without having any idea who would replace him, it's also probably true that good decisions are rarely taken by panicking, which a fair few on here are doing tonight. About 18,000 did, enjoy the Vale winning today did you ?
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Post by geoff321 on Dec 16, 2017 20:48:17 GMT
There can't be any fan who didn't think this was a game Hughes had to win, he hasn't got the win and Coates will be a worried man now. Nevertheless the daftest thing the club could do is to sack Hughes without having any idea who would replace him, it's also probably true that good decisions are rarely taken by panicking, which a fair few on here are doing tonight. Geoff, What is going to get better, based on what you’ve seen today and throughout the season? Which specific weaknesses are going to be addressed? My point is rob that the club has to have a replacement before they pull the trigger, regarding todays game the penalty decision was clearly a decisive moment.
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Post by thevoid on Dec 16, 2017 20:51:14 GMT
Even Bowen must be having his doubts. WHam fans tried to taunt us by singing 'sacked in the morning' and we all joined in!! Speak for yourself only. I'll support the club, the players, and the manager until the very end. Good for you. Do you want a medal or some gold piping for your jacket?
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 16, 2017 20:51:45 GMT
Geoff, What is going to get better, based on what you’ve seen today and throughout the season? Which specific weaknesses are going to be addressed? My point is rob that the club has to have a replacement before they pull the trigger, regarding todays game the penalty decision was clearly a decisive moment. Everton didn't ! the penalty was decisive but it was only a matter of time before WH scored, we then gave in again at 2-0 is that acceptable to you ?, do you have any pride in our club note I didn't say your club.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 16, 2017 20:52:46 GMT
4-4-2 has been forced on him due to pressurefrom the crowd. Hes trying give us something he perceives we want in the hope it will keep the baying masses quiet. Hes trying to save his skin instead of managing the team. Todays subsitutions were his worst ever. If there is any possible truth in that garbage he needs to be sacked for gross misconduct, no manager would ever be swayed from his plan by supporters unless he is totally feckin spineless. I agree. He needs putting out of his misery. Hes lost his way and his thinking is muddled. The substitutions today defied logic.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 16, 2017 20:53:04 GMT
Speak for yourself only. I'll support the club, the players, and the manager until the very end. Good for you. Do you want a medal or some gold piping for your jacket? Nice big badge with Worlds bestest fan on it and a pair of blinkers.
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Post by geoff321 on Dec 16, 2017 20:53:34 GMT
There can't be any fan who didn't think this was a game Hughes had to win, he hasn't got the win and Coates will be a worried man now. Nevertheless the daftest thing the club could do is to sack Hughes without having any idea who would replace him, it's also probably true that good decisions are rarely taken by panicking, which a fair few on here are doing tonight. What is it that Hughes will do to change or improve the situation by staying on as manager . I'm not suggesting that Hughes should stay that's a decision for others, although I don't think he would relegate us. He has shown before he can turn results round and if the header from Ryan had gone in it might have been a different game.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 16, 2017 20:54:56 GMT
If there is any possible truth in that garbage he needs to be sacked for gross misconduct, no manager would ever be swayed from his plan by supporters unless he is totally feckin spineless. I agree. He needs putting out of his misery. Hes lost his way and his thinking is muddled. The substitutions today defied logic. We need putting out of the misery he has caused.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 16, 2017 20:56:18 GMT
What is it that Hughes will do to change or improve the situation by staying on as manager . I'm not suggesting that Hughes should stay that's a decision for others, although I don't think he would relegate us. He has shown before he can turn results round and if the header from Ryan had gone in it might have been a different game. If my aunty had bollocks she would be my uncle, sick of if's and but's this is the reality of where he has taken us no if's no but's.
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Post by realstokebloke on Dec 16, 2017 20:58:04 GMT
There is only really one viable alternative and that isn’t going to happen so as far as I can see at the minute we have to have blind faith and hope he and his team can sort out what they are doing wrong and make enough adjustments to save us. The real root of the problem has been recruitment and that is a bigger problem than just one man. Think that's there or thereabouts Wuzza tbh.
All the signs are that the family Coates will hold its nerve - for the moment anyway.
I take it you mean Toxic? And if so, that's where we depart; no way do I or, I think, we as a club want him back.
So as he wasn't ever in any of my 'new manager bounce equations' anyway, I'm of the opinion that there just isn't one (available) out there.
So that, and what looks like the resolve to see it through with MLH, means we better get used to the idea of making the most of a shit storm short term.
Agree also that recruitment lies at the very heart of it.
And given we can't know where that particular buck stops (it might not be all MLH of course) we can't know how that will play out now.
That said, the incumbent of the desk on which it does stop, needs to clear it. The infamous £50m terrible trio have been atrocious buys and someone needs to be held to account. We just don't have that as a club to waste.
So PC needs to get a wriggle on with his internal inquisition as to who is responsible with the Jan window looming very large, irrespective of sits in the dugout.
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Post by wuzza on Dec 16, 2017 21:13:14 GMT
There is only really one viable alternative and that isn’t going to happen so as far as I can see at the minute we have to have blind faith and hope he and his team can sort out what they are doing wrong and make enough adjustments to save us. The real root of the problem has been recruitment and that is a bigger problem than just one man. Think that's there or thereabouts Wuzza tbh.
All the signs are that the family Coates will hold its nerve - for the moment anyway.
I take it you mean Toxic? And if so, that's where we depart; no way do I or, I think, we as a club want him back.
So as he wasn't ever in any of my 'new manager bounce equations' anyway, I'm of the opinion that there just isn't one (available) out there.
So that, and what looks like the resolve to see it through with MLH, means we better get used to the idea of making the most of a shit storm short term.
Agree also that recruitment lies at the very heart of it.
And given we can't know where that particular buck stops (it might not be all MLH of course) we can't know how that will play out now.
That said, the incumbent of the desk on which it does stop, needs to clear it. The infamous £50m terrible trio have been atrocious buys and someone needs to be held to account. We just don't have that as a club to waste.
So PC needs to get a wriggle on with his internal inquisition as to who is responsible with the Jan window looming very large, irrespective of sits in the dugout.
I’m sure TP wouldn’t come because of the various internal differences but he is the only person I can think of who might be able to organise a rearguard movement out of the current collection of misfits. I don’t really think there is anyone else better placed to try and make a go of it than Hughes himself at the minute - and so, for all his failings, we might aswell bite the bullet and see where it goes.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 16, 2017 21:27:46 GMT
There is only really one viable alternative and that isn’t going to happen so as far as I can see at the minute we have to have blind faith and hope he and his team can sort out what they are doing wrong and make enough adjustments to save us. The real root of the problem has been recruitment and that is a bigger problem than just one man. Think that's there or thereabouts Wuzza tbh.
All the signs are that the family Coates will hold its nerve - for the moment anyway.
I take it you mean Toxic? And if so, that's where we depart; no way do I or, I think, we as a club want him back.
So as he wasn't ever in any of my 'new manager bounce equations' anyway, I'm of the opinion that there just isn't one (available) out there.
So that, and what looks like the resolve to see it through with MLH, means we better get used to the idea of making the most of a shit storm short term.
Agree also that recruitment lies at the very heart of it.
And given we can't know where that particular buck stops (it might not be all MLH of course) we can't know how that will play out now.
That said, the incumbent of the desk on which it does stop, needs to clear it. The infamous £50m terrible trio have been atrocious buys and someone needs to be held to account. We just don't have that as a club to waste.
So PC needs to get a wriggle on with his internal inquisition as to who is responsible with the Jan window looming very large, irrespective of sits in the dugout.
Our recruitment lead by Hughes is the problem, £50 million of shit is not acceptable to a club with our revenue income they are all on big money long contracts to boot, Hughes is a tactical half wit with the personality and motivational skills of a seas sponge.
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Post by philm87 on Dec 16, 2017 21:43:48 GMT
I have always defended him on the basis that some on here have an agenda and stability is the way forward.
I turned after Bournemouth at home. From that point onwards I was indifferent about Hughes' fate but wasn't sure about the alternatives.
I think I made up my mind last week that we should act now and get Koeman in so he has the January window. Today has just confirmed the urgency with which we need to act.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 16, 2017 21:49:27 GMT
I have always defended him on the basis that some on here have an agenda and stability is the way forward. I turned after Bournemouth at home. From that point onwards I was indifferent about Hughes' fate but wasn't sure about the alternatives. I think I made up my mind last week that we should act now and get Koeman in so he has the January window. Today has just confirmed the urgency with which we need to act. He's a deluded arrogant selfish twat with no morals, if he has any decency he would resign but he hasn't so we are stuck with the twat.
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