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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 13, 2017 16:23:39 GMT
So you stick with a manager who let’s be honest has lost the plot rather than change?You’ll be coming out with “be careful what you wish for next”🙄 No like I said I’m up for changing the manager and bringing in better players. But I haven’t heard one realistic name that I would want here. Did you want Pulis and Hughes here initially?None of us know how any appointment would work out
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Post by sportsman on Dec 13, 2017 16:25:50 GMT
No like I said I’m up for changing the manager and bringing in better players. But I haven’t heard one realistic name that I would want here. Did you want Pulis and Hughes here initially?None of us know how any appointment would work out Or, whisper it quietly, player.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 16:26:55 GMT
You could go 2 games further back and add the wins against Watford and Sunderland to make it 9 wins in 35...... Or we could go even further also so I wouldn’t bother🙄 Even the most positive fan like yourself must now know he’s got to go surely? I've said for 12 months mate I'm cool with him going if there's a replacement waiting in the wings, football's a cut throat business and if he goes he goes. Of course our current form is unacceptable you'd have to be mad to think otherwise. His management career at Stoke has all the stench of it being over, only two decent home wins and a result at Huddersfield will do and a defeat against West Ham and he's toast.....
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Post by stillgame4it on Dec 13, 2017 16:28:52 GMT
Whatever people think of Mark Hughes (as a manager or a person) the reality is that we are plummeting down in a tail-spin with him at the controls.
Can he regain control and pull us out of this? Personally, I don't think he can.
Changing manager is also a big risk, and this is what the Chairman + Board now have to decide: Stick or twist?
Either way, a worrying 2-3 months ahead, whichever way it goes ☹
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Post by Britvicpotter on Dec 13, 2017 16:30:07 GMT
No like I said I’m up for changing the manager and bringing in better players. But I haven’t heard one realistic name that I would want here. Did you want Pulis and Hughes here initially?None of us know how any appointment would work out I wasn’t against either managers when appointed Pulis will always have my thanks for what he did for the club but couldn’t take us any further and the football was terrible. Hughes has changed the way we play but seems to have as you say lost the plot. I’m just worried that only a change of manager who is a LOT better than what seems to be available and realistic would be a massive risk.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 17:16:06 GMT
What a coincidence this is. Di Matteo was at Schalke with Choupo Moting.
;D
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 17:17:56 GMT
What a coincidence this is. Di Matteo was at Schalke with Choupo Moting. ;D STOOOP
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 17:23:57 GMT
What a coincidence this is. Di Matteo was at Schalke with Choupo Moting. ;D He doesn't actually have too bad a record, the Aston Villa abortion aside...
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Post by alster on Dec 13, 2017 17:32:01 GMT
Direct quote from my NINE year old nipper first thing this morning. "What is the point of keeping Mark Hughes as manager when he can't play a formation that helps us win?" Yes, he's another FIFA video game player but he's smart enough to know that when you don't play players in the best positions and play the team in a formation that doesn't work, that you keep losing. The formation is a fairly minor issue that people are becoming fixated with. The mindset with which he sets about the game and tries to manage the game is the major problem Its far too scared and negative.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 13, 2017 17:36:55 GMT
The best way to avoid relegation is to stick with Hughes and review in the summer, changing manager now would be a risk to far in my opinion.
What regardless of what the results are Geoff, you stick with him until the summer?
What if we lost the next 5 or 6 or 7 or etc. you just keep going?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 13, 2017 17:38:32 GMT
What a coincidence this is. Di Matteo was at Schalke with Choupo Moting. ;D
G-O A-W-A-Y !
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Post by alster on Dec 13, 2017 17:49:31 GMT
What a coincidence this is. Di Matteo was at Schalke with Choupo Moting. ;D Maybe he could sign him for his next club then. I'm sure we could agree a fee. For me he's a bit meh needs to throw that big frame of his about a bit more.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 13, 2017 17:52:46 GMT
What a coincidence this is. Di Matteo was at Schalke with Choupo Moting. ;D I predicted him first, so bugger off!
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 13, 2017 17:54:25 GMT
The best way to avoid relegation is to stick with Hughes and review in the summer, changing manager now would be a risk to far in my opinion.
What regardless of what the results are Geoff, you stick with him until the summer?
What if we lost the next 5 or 6 or 7 or etc. you just keep going?
He should have gone ages ago! Anywhere else he would have. What's happening at our club?
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Post by skip on Dec 13, 2017 17:56:23 GMT
Direct quote from my NINE year old nipper first thing this morning. "What is the point of keeping Mark Hughes as manager when he can't play a formation that helps us win?" Yes, he's another FIFA video game player but he's smart enough to know that when you don't play players in the best positions and play the team in a formation that doesn't work, that you keep losing. The formation is a fairly minor issue that people are becoming fixated with. The mindset with which he sets about the game and tries to manage the game is the major problem Its far too scared and negative. True enough but for a nine year old its not a bad assessment of the situation. I'm not sure he's quite of the intellectual mindset just yet where he understands that safety first can be counter productive. At least my nipper is only nine, what is Hughes' excuse, ha ha.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Dec 13, 2017 18:26:27 GMT
Direct quote from my NINE year old nipper first thing this morning. "What is the point of keeping Mark Hughes as manager when he can't play a formation that helps us win?" Yes, he's another FIFA video game player but he's smart enough to know that when you don't play players in the best positions and play the team in a formation that doesn't work, that you keep losing. The formation is a fairly minor issue that people are becoming fixated with. The mindset with which he sets about the game and tries to manage the game is the major problem Its far too scared and negative. Only listened on the radio but from what I heard Hughes had a feasible attacking plan. Four attackers supplemented by mighty Joe to disrupt their back line, keep the ball in their half, take it to them. It sounded like but for the finishing it was working out, half a dozen chances going high, wide or down the keepers throat. There are issues about not sustaining it second half, especially given that the form indicated it would end up binary. It's been a big disappointing feature of his tenure that we rarely seem to string two halves together {Sunderland last year for a prime eg. There's many}. I've thought this season that was less of a feature, we've even won after going behind, worryingly it seems to be creeping back in Spurs {two goals in a minute and last night}. I don't think he's setting up with fear, though last night there was an element of safety first from the centre backs, rather than trying to play from the back ,'through the lines' like we usually do. There are problems but I din't think it's down to Hughes' fear. He's still the antithesis of Tone. Trying to get us to create chances, pass the ball, 'play football'. Obviously it's not coming off. Ultimately it all comes back to the manager, mitigations and justifications, after a while become just lame excuses. After last night it's reaching tipping point. Jury might repair to the boozer later to drink it through.
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 13, 2017 18:30:14 GMT
So you stick with a manager who let’s be honest has lost the plot rather than change?You’ll be coming out with “be careful what you wish for next”🙄 No like I said I’m up for changing the manager and bringing in better players. But I haven’t heard one realistic name that I would want here. Wilder or Rowett?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 18:37:56 GMT
What a coincidence this is. Di Matteo was at Schalke with Choupo Moting. ;D
G-O A-W-A-Y !
You can see the appeal from the clubs point of view. His record is (win ratio) : MK Dons - 51.9% West Brom 48.2% Chelsea - 57.1% Schalke 04 - 42.4% Aston Villa - 8.3% Villa will be his 'QPR' moment. He'll come dirt cheap, desperate to take a job so wouldn't rock the boat transfer wise, having been in Germany will be happy with a Technical Director model. Proper yes man. Bloody hell fire.
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Post by dutchstokie on Dec 13, 2017 18:38:22 GMT
No. Played for and managed Chelsea. Ohhh, RDM then? Or Ruud Gullit ? I’ll have a word with him 😁
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Post by geoff321 on Dec 13, 2017 18:38:53 GMT
The best way to avoid relegation is to stick with Hughes and review in the summer, changing manager now would be a risk to far in my opinion.
What regardless of what the results are Geoff, you stick with him until the summer?
What if we lost the next 5 or 6 or 7 or etc. you just keep going?
Clearly Paul I wouldn't say stick with Hughes if I thought he would lose the next 5 games, however some want him sacked before they have any idea who Coates would replace him with, wouldn't you consider that much more risky. In the summer the Chairman will have the time to research and consider who might replace Hughes, if he considers that necessary.
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Post by realstokebloke on Dec 13, 2017 18:42:28 GMT
Direct quote from my NINE year old nipper first thing this morning. "What is the point of keeping Mark Hughes as manager when he can't play a formation that helps us win?" Yes, he's another FIFA video game player but he's smart enough to know that when you don't play players in the best positions and play the team in a formation that doesn't work, that you keep losing. Haha. Is your nipper available until, say, June while we sort this Horlicks out properly?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 13, 2017 18:43:31 GMT
You can see the appeal from the clubs point of view. His record is (win ratio) : MK Dons - 51.9% West Brom 48.2% Chelsea - 57.1% Schalke 04 - 42.4% Aston Villa - 8.3% Villa will be his 'QPR' moment. He'll come dirt cheap, desperate to take a job so wouldn't rock the boat transfer wise, having been in Germany will be happy with a Technical Director model. Proper yes man. Bloody hell fire.
Now I'm not going to tell you again ...
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Dec 13, 2017 18:43:42 GMT
Or Ruud Gullit ? I’ll have a word with him 😁 Do eet. It'd be an adventure. He doesn't seem to give a fuck. Dropped Shearer at Newcastle, was doing well at Chelsea, Ken Bates apparently called him the most arrogant man he'd ever met. That takes summat.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 13, 2017 18:44:58 GMT
What regardless of what the results are Geoff, you stick with him until the summer?
What if we lost the next 5 or 6 or 7 or etc. you just keep going?
Clearly Paul I wouldn't say stick with Hughes if I thought he would lose the next 5 games, however some want him sacked before they have any idea who Coates would replace him with, wouldn't you consider that much more risky. In the summer the Chairman will have the time to research and consider who might replace Hughes, if he considers that necessary.
So what do you think Coates should do if we do lose the next five games Geoff, still stick with him until the summer?
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Post by dutchstokie on Dec 13, 2017 18:45:53 GMT
Or Ruud Gullit ? I’ll have a word with him 😁 Do eet. It'd be an adventure. He doesn't seem to give a fuck. Dropped Shearer at Newcastle, was doing well at Chelsea, Ken Bates apparently called him the most arrogant man he'd ever met. That takes summat. He just said yes ! 😁
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Dec 13, 2017 18:50:18 GMT
Clearly Paul I wouldn't say stick with Hughes if I thought he would lose the next 5 games, however some want him sacked before they have any idea who Coates would replace him with, wouldn't you consider that much more risky. In the summer the Chairman will have the time to research and consider who might replace Hughes, if he considers that necessary.
So what do you think Coates should do if we do lose the next five games Geoff, still stick with him until the summer?
You're offering doomsday Paul. He'd have to go. What if, which is far more probable. It's a loss, two draws, two wins. What then?
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Post by geoff321 on Dec 13, 2017 18:52:34 GMT
Clearly Paul I wouldn't say stick with Hughes if I thought he would lose the next 5 games, however some want him sacked before they have any idea who Coates would replace him with, wouldn't you consider that much more risky. In the summer the Chairman will have the time to research and consider who might replace Hughes, if he considers that necessary.
So what do you think Coates should do if we do lose the next five games Geoff, still stick with him until the summer?
IF there has been no attempt to check out possible replacements for Hughes, and he does lose the next 5 games, then he might have to approach Pulis but this is all hypothetical isn't it?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 13, 2017 18:53:28 GMT
So what do you think Coates should do if we do lose the next five games Geoff, still stick with him until the summer?
You're offering doomsday Paul. He'd have to go. What if, which is far more probable. It's a loss, two draws, two wins. What then?
I'm not offering doomsday at all Cheesy, I'm asking Geoff to qualify what he means when he says that the best way of avoiding relegation is stick with Hughes until the summer.
He simply can't say that, the situation is far too fluid.
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Post by Olgrligm on Dec 13, 2017 18:59:03 GMT
The fact that di Matteo is even being mentioned is a sure sign that we need to hope against hope that we can just survive and have a total clear out in the summer of 2018.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Dec 13, 2017 19:00:16 GMT
You're offering doomsday Paul. He'd have to go. What if, which is far more probable. It's a loss, two draws, two wins. What then?
I'm not offering doomsday at all Cheesy, I'm asking Geoff to qualify what he means when he says that the best way of avoiding relegation is stick with Hughes until the summer.
He simply can't say that, the situation is far too fluid.
Thought you were seeking to reinforce an idea of the fait accompli, soz. As you say it's extremely fluid. Pedigree.
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