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Post by iglugluk on Dec 13, 2017 19:02:22 GMT
What regardless of what the results are Geoff, you stick with him until the summer?
What if we lost the next 5 or 6 or 7 or etc. you just keep going?
He should have gone ages ago! Anywhere else he would have. What's happening at our club? Good question. I was of the opinion that changing manager should be done in the summer but that is no longer the case. I'd also add in response to Geoff321 that if Hughes makes it through to the summer without a tooth and nail relegation fight its likely Coates would keep him, given his previous form on this.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 19:36:22 GMT
38 pages and counting and still no resignation
That's a lie:
I'm resigned to Hughes being here till May ☹️
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Post by GeneralFaye on Dec 13, 2017 19:40:45 GMT
Imo, we should've sacked Hughes after the Bournemouth game and gone all out for Allardyce.
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Post by overthehills on Dec 13, 2017 20:01:41 GMT
Can't see any betting odds on sky bet currently, do they know something is happening?
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Post by VolvicStokie on Dec 13, 2017 20:15:27 GMT
Can't see any betting odds on sky bet currently, do they know something is happening? Only betfair offering odds. 5/6 Hmm
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 13, 2017 20:19:24 GMT
Can't see any betting odds on sky bet currently, do they know something is happening? Only betfair offering odds. 5/6 Hmm
They close these sort of markets over night in case some news breaks late on.
They'll all be back on in the morning.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 13, 2017 20:26:24 GMT
Yet another example of a team changing their manager and not looking back are Leicester🤔Who’d have thought it when Puel took over
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Dec 13, 2017 20:35:19 GMT
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Post by liamo on Dec 13, 2017 20:35:49 GMT
Just shows how a new manager with fresh ideas can improve results with the same squad
Shocker
Here we are with the people who can change something sitting on their hands not doing much
Its ok not being trigger happy but at this point the powers that be have been far far too lenient, Hughes must be rubbing his hands together, all he has to do is use the right words after every defeat and his job is safe
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Post by baystokie on Dec 13, 2017 20:37:20 GMT
Yet another example of a team changing their manager and not looking back are Leicester🤔Who’d have thought it when Puel took over It's all a bit 'in hindsight' though. I didn't see many on here congratulating Leicester when they took a guy who had been sacked by Southampton. Similarly, it's early days yet with Allardyce and Moyes - their early results MAY or may not continue. Similarly, if we sack Hughes and appoint someone who is 'Oatcake-approved' and results do not improve and we get relegated, people could then say (again with hindsight),that if we had maybe stuck with Hughes, we might have scraped survival. Of course, it would make interesting reading thereafter when the Oatcake looks for a scapegoat for listening to them!!
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 13, 2017 20:38:42 GMT
Yet another example of a team changing their manager and not looking back are Leicester🤔Who’d have thought it when Puel took over It's all a bit 'in hindsight' though. I didn't see many on here congratulating Leicester when they took a guy who had been sacked by Southampton. Similarly, it's early days yet with Allardyce and Moyes - their early results MAY or may not continue. Similarly, if we sack Hughes and appoint someone who is 'Oatcake-approved' and results do not improve and we get relegated, people could then say (again with hindsight),that if we had maybe stuck with Hughes, we might have scraped survival. Of course, it would make interesting reading thereafter when the Oatcake looks for a scapegoat for listening to them!! Mate my point is none of us know how a managerial appointment is going to turnout
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Dec 13, 2017 20:40:37 GMT
The formation is a fairly minor issue that people are becoming fixated with. The mindset with which he sets about the game and tries to manage the game is the major problem Its far too scared and negative. Only listened on the radio but from what I heard Hughes had a feasible attacking plan. Four attackers supplemented by mighty Joe to disrupt their back line, keep the ball in their half, take it to them. It sounded like but for the finishing it was working out, half a dozen chances going high, wide or down the keepers throat. There are issues about not sustaining it second half, especially given that the form indicated it would end up binary. It's been a big disappointing feature of his tenure that we rarely seem to string two halves together {Sunderland last year for a prime eg. There's many}. I've thought this season that was less of a feature, we've even won after going behind, worryingly it seems to be creeping back in Spurs {two goals in a minute and last night}. I don't think he's setting up with fear, though last night there was an element of safety first from the centre backs, rather than trying to play from the back ,'through the lines' like we usually do. There are problems but I din't think it's down to Hughes' fear. He's still the antithesis of Tone. Trying to get us to create chances, pass the ball, 'play football'. Obviously it's not coming off. Ultimately it all comes back to the manager, mitigations and justifications, after a while become just lame excuses. After last night it's reaching tipping point. Jury might repair to the boozer later to drink it through. We didn't create any chances mate. Everyone I've spoke to who saw it says we made nothing
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Post by baystokie on Dec 13, 2017 20:53:30 GMT
It's all a bit 'in hindsight' though. I didn't see many on here congratulating Leicester when they took a guy who had been sacked by Southampton. Similarly, it's early days yet with Allardyce and Moyes - their early results MAY or may not continue. Similarly, if we sack Hughes and appoint someone who is 'Oatcake-approved' and results do not improve and we get relegated, people could then say (again with hindsight),that if we had maybe stuck with Hughes, we might have scraped survival. Of course, it would make interesting reading thereafter when the Oatcake looks for a scapegoat for listening to them!! Mate my point is none of us know how a managerial appointment is going to turnout Quite agree with you. I just hope that Stoke fans accept this if it all goes pear-shaped with the new man.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Dec 13, 2017 20:54:48 GMT
Only listened on the radio but from what I heard Hughes had a feasible attacking plan. Four attackers supplemented by mighty Joe to disrupt their back line, keep the ball in their half, take it to them. It sounded like but for the finishing it was working out, half a dozen chances going high, wide or down the keepers throat. There are issues about not sustaining it second half, especially given that the form indicated it would end up binary. It's been a big disappointing feature of his tenure that we rarely seem to string two halves together {Sunderland last year for a prime eg. There's many}. I've thought this season that was less of a feature, we've even won after going behind, worryingly it seems to be creeping back in Spurs {two goals in a minute and last night}. I don't think he's setting up with fear, though last night there was an element of safety first from the centre backs, rather than trying to play from the back ,'through the lines' like we usually do. There are problems but I din't think it's down to Hughes' fear. He's still the antithesis of Tone. Trying to get us to create chances, pass the ball, 'play football'. Obviously it's not coming off. Ultimately it all comes back to the manager, mitigations and justifications, after a while become just lame excuses. After last night it's reaching tipping point. Jury might repair to the boozer later to drink it through. We didn't create any chances mate. Everyone I've spoke to who saw it says we made nothing I heard a few described. Stats says 14 shots {6 off target}. A few chances/opportunities when Shaq and Ramadan got in good shooting positions, took a touch too much, too. Doesn't sound like you saw it either so we're a bit like blind men arguing over this one. But the shooting stats aren't debatable.
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Post by shangamuzo on Dec 13, 2017 20:59:50 GMT
Can't see any betting odds on sky bet currently, do they know something is happening? Only betfair offering odds. 5/6 Hmm Paddy Power merged with Betfair in 2016. There never is widespread betting on managers getting the sack.
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Post by stokeykez on Dec 13, 2017 21:00:08 GMT
We are in dire need of fresh blood and fresh impetus. We just don't ever seem to flow or go on a winning run or be the team that are on a crest of a wave ( burnley). This shows in the support and of course now the final straw is the media. This cannot be turned around as every element is not working, fresh face who can get any shred of enthusiasm. Hughes will never claw it back now
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Post by shangamuzo on Dec 13, 2017 21:01:34 GMT
Or next to leave their post. Which isn't necessarily the same thing.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Dec 13, 2017 21:12:46 GMT
Mate my point is none of us know how a managerial appointment is going to turnout Quite agree with you. I just hope that Stoke fans accept this if it all goes pear-shaped with the new man. I suspect most Stoke fans would think we were heading down anyway, if it did go pear shaped with a new boss.
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Post by alster on Dec 13, 2017 21:18:44 GMT
We didn't create any chances mate. Everyone I've spoke to who saw it says we made nothing I heard a few described. Stats says 14 shots {6 off target}. A few chances/opportunities when Shaq and Ramadan got in good shooting positions, took a touch too much, too. Doesn't sound like you saw it either so we're a bit like blind men arguing over this one. But the shooting stats aren't debatable. They really are, calling them shots is debateable their keeper didn't even get his shorts dirty he's wearing them again at the weekend straight off the airer never been near the washing machine.
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Post by jarvinski on Dec 13, 2017 21:22:18 GMT
Quite right right General, Big Sam was obviously the man, instead we are going to the championship with this IDIOT and taking Bet365 with us
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Post by baystokie on Dec 13, 2017 21:30:04 GMT
Quite right right General, Big Sam was obviously the man, instead we are going to the championship with this IDIOT and taking Bet365 with us 'Obviously'? There's no more GUARANTEE that Sam will do better than any other manager you care to mention. It may be 'likely/possible/ probable but it's a leap of faith to say 'obviously'. It's too easy to say someone could/will do better when the outcome will never be tested/proved.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Dec 13, 2017 22:17:08 GMT
I heard a few described. Stats says 14 shots {6 off target}. A few chances/opportunities when Shaq and Ramadan got in good shooting positions, took a touch too much, too. Doesn't sound like you saw it either so we're a bit like blind men arguing over this one. But the shooting stats aren't debatable. They really are, calling them shots is debateable their keeper didn't even get his shorts dirty he's wearing them again at the weekend straight off the airer never been near the washing machine. I didn't see it, but on a general point for me any shot, ballooned into the stands, off the post or at the keeper is a chance to score. A chance missed maybe, an opportunity squandered. We aren't clinical, I'm not debating that. 14 shots is indicative of creating chances, they weren't all from the half way line etc. You're just being ultra negative for the sake of it now.
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Post by wadey on Dec 14, 2017 1:06:14 GMT
We are in the Premier league but it has stepped up. Mr.Coats has been great but it's now for billionaires not millionaires. It's one of those 'you don't know what you had till it's gone'. The planning, the waste, the investment has not been good enough. The top level planning has been poor. Better to over invest than drop out, trying to get back could be either years away or never happen. The premis (I'm only guessing) they don't have a replacement manager lined up tell us even more.
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Post by hinckpotter on Dec 14, 2017 11:15:55 GMT
Seriously, has he gone yet? What the hell are they waiting for? Beyond belief he's still here!!!! Give your head a wobble Coates!
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 14, 2017 11:49:08 GMT
Seriously, has he gone yet? What the hell are they waiting for? Beyond belief he's still here!!!! Give your head a wobble Coates! Looks like he will still be here next Monday, he isn't man enough to resign and Coates won't sack the incompetent oaf so we are stuck with Mark and his team.
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Post by miggoscfc on Dec 14, 2017 12:12:30 GMT
We are in the Premier league but it has stepped up. Mr.Coats has been great but it's now for billionaires not millionaires. It's one of those 'you don't know what you had till it's gone'. The planning, the waste, the investment has not been good enough. The top level planning has been poor. Better to over invest than drop out, trying to get back could be either years away or never happen. The premis (I'm only guessing) they don't have a replacement manager lined up tell us even more. Peter Coates is our Chairman not our owner. Our owners are billionaires not millionaires and we have are competing with spurs financially in terms of transfer activity spend over recent years and they are beating the likes of Dortmund and Madrid in the Champions League. Don't mistake shrewd with incompetence and you are damn right when you say you don't know what you had til it's gone.
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Post by haway on Dec 14, 2017 12:15:32 GMT
Seriously, has he gone yet? What the hell are they waiting for? Beyond belief he's still here!!!! Give your head a wobble Coates! Didn't the story say he needs to get a win out of the next 2 games (prior to the Burnley game) or he's gone? So basically needs to win on the weekend. You's did play well v Burnley though from what I've heard, especially in the first half so there's some hope for you's on Saturday.
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