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Post by Eggybread on Nov 29, 2017 7:17:27 GMT
A question to all the supporters who thinks Hughes will turn this mess around.I would like to know what argument/evidence do you have that he will?
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Nov 29, 2017 7:35:25 GMT
Standard of football is better than last season, a few key additions in Jan and we could really click
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 29, 2017 7:36:42 GMT
A question to all the supporters who thinks Hughes will turn this mess around.I would like to know what argument/evidence do you have that he will? Three ninth place finishes in a row, ermmm Hughes teams always(well sometimes) finish the season strongly ERRRRRRRMMMMMMMMMM well ! EEEEERRRRRRRRRMMMMMMMMMMMMM fuck!  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 7:36:52 GMT
A question to all the supporters who thinks Hughes will turn this mess around.I would like to know what argument/evidence do you have that he will? And the evidence to suggest he won’t is? |
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Post by professorplump on Nov 29, 2017 7:48:58 GMT
I don't think we are playing all that badly. We just make too many mistakes at the back.
There is no obvious messiah waiting in the wings. A lot of the names quoted on other threads are unrealistic. We would end up with an out of work manager who has made all the same mistakes that Hughes has made so why would things suddenly improve?
What I would like to see is a specialist defensive coach joining Hughes staff, and recruitment of a couple of fullbacks and a midfielder in January.
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Post by itsallgonepetetone on Nov 29, 2017 7:59:36 GMT
A question to all the supporters who thinks Hughes will turn this mess around.I would like to know what argument/evidence do you have that he will? And the evidence to suggest he won’t is? The last 30 games? |
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Post by superheroantonius on Nov 29, 2017 8:08:57 GMT
He wont turn it around without a striker
Life in the prem is very difficult if you dont have a goalscorer
If he signed a 15 to 20 goal a season striker that would change everything
To be honest, is previous attempts at this have been abysmal and there is even evidence that if he was close to finding one, he would play the lad at right back!
I think sparky is on his way
The only thing that can save him is to sign a 2017 james beattie, but I dont think he knows how??
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Post by foxysgloves on Nov 29, 2017 8:08:59 GMT
If Alan Pardew and Sam Throwofadice are the best of what’s out there as alternatives then I think we might just have to stick rather than twist.
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Post by RAF on Nov 29, 2017 8:41:54 GMT
The fact that people are throwing Pulis's name around suggests that they have as little clue how to stop the rot as Hughes does.
Coates needs to be bold and there is no evidence from the past that he will be.
So cry scream and piss as much as you need to but Hughes is here for at least another few months.
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Post by alster on Nov 29, 2017 8:44:53 GMT
Standard of football is better than last season, a few key additions in Jan and we could really click Is it? You actually like the sort of football we are playing, cagey slow football, 9 men behind the ball, no striker, one of the named forward 3 playing where you'd expect to see a wingback. Its shit we're actually committing less players to the attack than we were last season really boring safety first football. |
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Post by stokebloke on Nov 29, 2017 8:46:36 GMT
Who else is out there to replace him ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 8:52:53 GMT
A question to all the supporters who thinks Hughes will turn this mess around.I would like to know what argument/evidence do you have that he will? And the evidence to suggest he won’t is? The last 22 months since the LCSF is quite a long period of steady decline? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 8:56:57 GMT
And the evidence to suggest he won’t is? The last 22 months since the LCSF is quite a long period of steady decline? 2015/16 - 9th 2016/17 - one 93rd minute West Brom equaliser away from 9th Depends on your definition of decline I suppose.... |
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Nov 29, 2017 9:14:03 GMT
My view is he should have gone in the summer , we keep making the same mistakes over and over so no sign it will change .
To say there are no good managers is bollocks the same as no good players they will both be there but it requires hard work to research to find them . I'm sure even if the board want British there will be good options in the lower leagues that you could bring on with an experienced director of football but it does seem that foreign coaches work harder and have.the edge at the moment .
Who had heard of Silva or Wagner before last season and look how his team defended against Citeh compared to our overpaid shower.
The players are a big part of it , most of our team picks itself and it shows with sloppy errors week in week out .
We are one of about 10 similar clubs but we will be in a survival battle this season because key positions have not been addressed and hard to see how they will in January .
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Post by pyrus on Nov 29, 2017 9:23:55 GMT
I’m transitioning from Remain to Huxit at the moment.
1. The Remainer in me sees a situation where Hughes has probably not been backed with an appropriate level of funds nor with some of the players he was targeting. There is an argument that others in the club are at fault here, but these guys stay out of the limelight and it all lands on the manager’s doorstep.
2. I like what Hughes is trying to do. The intention to play great football with flair players is absolutely what I want and so this above all things makes me want him to succeed.
3. The issues are specific and I think they can be resolved. Our defence is not what it could be. (See point 1) I don’t believe he really wanted to go into the season with a repurposed attacker at right fullback and a repurposed flat back left back as a wing-back.
4. I don’t hold him responsible for the lack of a 20 per season striker - every team around us want one and there are not enough to go round. I applaud his pursuit of Berahino - it isn’t working but it was a punt I would have taken.
Where I am losing faith is that it is not working on a consistent basis. We only accept it isn’t working in the 70th minute of games and it has been failing for a lot longer than it should have been, I don’t know if it is entirely down to Hughes, but part of his effectiveness must be to persuade the clubs hierarchy of his case. I do wonder whether it needs a new man to come in who has better skills in behind-the-scenes negotiation, diplomacy and tenaciousness as well as the tactical stuff.
I hope Hughes can sort it out. If he does, he has earned another season. If not, I think we need to see out the season (without getting relegated). That is the time to do the deed.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Nov 29, 2017 9:29:18 GMT
A question to all the supporters who thinks Hughes will turn this mess around.I would like to know what argument/evidence do you have that he will? A question to all the mard-arse dummy spitting whingebags. If Hughes goes..I would like to know what evidence do you have that anyone else will do any better? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 9:34:26 GMT
A question to all the supporters who thinks Hughes will turn this mess around.I would like to know what argument/evidence do you have that he will? A question to all the mard-arse dummy spitting whingebags. If Hughes goes..I would like to know what evidence do you have that anyone else will do any better? That's the main reason that I don't think he'll go. Though I think he needs to. I think there's a difference between mard-arsing, and just being thoroughly piss-bored and frustrated with the bilge I've witnessed numerous times over the last 18 months or so. |
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Nov 29, 2017 9:49:46 GMT
A question to all the mard-arse dummy spitting whingebags. If Hughes goes..I would like to know what evidence do you have that anyone else will do any better? That's the main reason that I don't think he'll go. Though I think he needs to. I think there's a difference between mard-arsing, and just being thoroughly piss-bored and frustrated with the bilge I've witnessed numerous times over the last 18 months or so. Fair comment. Things are obviously not right. But some of the Anti Stoke bile posted on the Oatcake over the last 6 months makes me heave. Some 'alleged' Stoke fans seem to be using Hughes as a stick to beat the club with. Any excuse and it's moan moan moan. Positive criticsm is helpful. Constant negative moaning is toxic. |
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Post by reddipotter on Nov 29, 2017 9:50:14 GMT
As I've said before, Hughes' managerial record shows that he makes an almost immediate impact at a club when he arrives, but there is no example of him building from there, let alone arresting a decline.
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Post by tcdobinghoff on Nov 29, 2017 9:53:20 GMT
He wont turn it around without a striker Life in the prem is very difficult if you dont have a goalscorer If he signed a 15 to 20 goal a season striker that would change everything To be honest, is previous attempts at this have been abysmal and there is even evidence that if he was close to finding one, he would play the lad at right back! I think sparky is on his way The only thing that can save him is to sign a 2017 james beattie, but I dont think he knows how?? I agree with the need for a regular goal scorer, would make huge difference . However examples of clubs outside the big six (?) doing that since we have been in the Premiership are very rare . Finding such a striker on our resources isn’t as easy as some on here seem to believe. |
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Post by tcdobinghoff on Nov 29, 2017 9:55:17 GMT
Meant examples of 15-20 goal man , didn’t highlight the quote.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 29, 2017 9:56:30 GMT
As I've said before, Hughes' managerial record shows that he makes an almost immediate impact at a club when he arrives, but there is no example of him building from there, let alone arresting a decline. Apart from Blackburn... He didn’t give himself chance either way at Fulham. QPR is the only out and out failure on his CV. |
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Post by thevoid on Nov 29, 2017 10:13:08 GMT
The last 22 months since the LCSF is quite a long period of steady decline? 2015/16 - 9th 2016/17 - one 93rd minute West Brom equaliser away from 9th Depends on your definition of decline I suppose.... 6 wins out of 30. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 10:21:15 GMT
If Alan Pardew and Sam Throwofadice are the best of what’s out there as alternatives then I think we might just have to stick rather than twist. Sam Throwofadice is the worst 'comedy' name I've ever seen in my life. Worse than Aresnil, Wet Sham and Crwho. Shame on you! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 10:31:48 GMT
2015/16 - 9th 2016/17 - one 93rd minute West Brom equaliser away from 9th Depends on your definition of decline I suppose.... 6 wins out of 30. 8 wins out of 32. Why stop at 30? |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 29, 2017 10:39:29 GMT
8 wins out of 32. Why stop at 30? Indeed or 9 out of 38, exactly the same number as Pulis won in his last 38 ... which saw him sacked. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 10:51:04 GMT
8 wins out of 32. Why stop at 30? Indeed or 9 out of 38, exactly the same number as Pulis won in his last 38 ... which saw him sacked. 41 points from 38, not good enough but not “nailed on for relegation” either. But I’d rather take the season on its own merit, we must do better defensively and we must kill teams off when we have the chance and that starts tonight. Lose the next two and he’s toast I have no problem with that, but 3/4 points and we can start looking up not down...... |
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Post by alster on Nov 29, 2017 10:53:32 GMT
8 wins out of 32. Why stop at 30? Indeed or 9 out of 38, exactly the same number as Pulis won in his last 38 ... which saw him sacked. You have to go back nearly two years to find our last decent run of form and its become far worse to watch too. Its not just the results the football is tripe as well. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 29, 2017 10:54:32 GMT
Indeed or 9 out of 38, exactly the same number as Pulis won in his last 38 ... which saw him sacked. 41 points from 38, not good enough but not “nailed on for relegation” either. But I’d rather take the season on its own merit, we must do better defensively and we must kill teams off when we have the chance and that starts tonight. Lose the next two and he’s toast I have no problem with that, but 3/4 points and we can start looking up not down...... I'm desperately hoping we can get three points from these next two games, if we don't, then we really will be facing an awful situation. Hughes will have lost the crowd but there wont be anybody out there to replace him. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 10:56:31 GMT
Indeed or 9 out of 38, exactly the same number as Pulis won in his last 38 ... which saw him sacked. You have to go back nearly two years to find our last decent run of form and its become far worse to watch too. Its not just the results the football is tripe as well. Almost a year to the day we beat Burnley at home which was a run of 1 defeat in 9 (18 points). So that’s simply not true..... |
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