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Post by mozzer on Nov 5, 2017 9:46:23 GMT
Ok I am playing devils advocate on this one as I truly do not know if it is a good idea to stick or twist with MH but I posted this as part of a reply to another thread with ref to the season so far and MHs future....
I hope that we can indeed turn it all around, I hope that we can do this with the minimum of upheaval during a season of so far struggle, I am not sure that removing the Management is the only option if MH can try other formations or other tactics to get the best out of a limited squad, he can see a lot clearer than any of us what his options are and what resource he has available to make these changes and to make it a mini success, throwing money at it in January is just never going to happen especially if PC has reservations of the current managers longevity at the club, our current best player by a country fucking mile is "sat" Zouma and the chances of us keeping him after May are lets say limited....so what do we do to turn it all around.
The question that keeps getting asked...
"Ok if we sack Hughes who out there is any better that will bring any success"...Fair point and not one that I or many others could or would be able to answer
Lets try another one...
"Ok if we stick with Hughes for the foreseeable future what does he have to do to make this work, what changes are needed to turn this dire shite grey boring football around without throwing the millions at it that he will very unlikely get"
So for the many posters who are as unsure as myself or the many posters that are dead set on MH staying how can this be turned in to a success and what changes are to be easily applied to turn this around.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Nov 5, 2017 9:51:25 GMT
Mozzer imo as long as he keeps us in the PL that ensures TV and other media coverage of bet365, then Hughes is safe.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Nov 5, 2017 9:57:06 GMT
Mozzer imo as long as he keeps us in the PL that ensures TV and other media coverage of bet365, then Hughes is safe. Don't agree with that, we were safe and secure in this league under TP and he was shown the door eventually. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2017 9:57:40 GMT
A more than the usual halfhearted attempts at a decent cup run wouldn't go amiss.
A cup win and the job is his for life.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2017 9:58:41 GMT
Mozzer imo as long as he keeps us in the PL that ensures TV and other media coverage of bet365, then Hughes is safe. Don't agree with that, we were safe and secure in this league under TP and he was shown the door eventually. Because Pulis was let go for other than footballing reasons. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 5, 2017 10:00:43 GMT
Don't agree with that, we were safe and secure in this league under TP and he was shown the door eventually. Because Pulis was let go for other than footballing reasons. Don't think he was really. It was all certainly connected to footballing reasons. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 5, 2017 10:06:07 GMT
Pulis ultimately lost his battle with Scholes and Cartwright. Their complete ascendency is now the biggest problem we face.
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 5, 2017 10:11:31 GMT
Not sure there's always the opportunities in January to get the players you'd like - but we clearly need at least one wing-back (probably two), one central midfielder and a striker
There's no surprise we're struggling. The squad is a relatively poor one.
And probably not much change out of £40m for that lot? Is there the appetite to spend properly to address the problem areas? Who knows?
But the biggest factor keeping Hughes in is the ruling out of Allardyce, Dyche and Moyes from the list of possibles. With them out of the equation, you can't see a managerial change coming any time soon even if we're in a relegation battle quite late on.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 5, 2017 10:11:49 GMT
Pulis ultimately lost his battle with Scholes and Cartwright. Their complete ascendency is now the biggest problem we face. The introduction of Cartwright in the first place owed a lot to his transfer window failings though didn't it? We'd generally gone slowly downhill since the window after the cup final, he lost the goodwill of increasing numbers of the support, we went on a run of one win in four months. It all added up and he really couldn't have too many complaints. Even the most glittering eras come to an end and he was as much the architect of his downfall as he was his own and the team's success. |
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Post by Davef on Nov 5, 2017 10:12:55 GMT
Mozzer imo as long as he keeps us in the PL that ensures TV and other media coverage of bet365, then Hughes is safe. Don't agree with that, we were safe and secure in this league under TP and he was shown the door eventually. We weren't safe and secure in this league under Pulis at all. We needed to win at QPR in the fifth from last game of his final season or we were in deep shit. |
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Post by biglad180 on Nov 5, 2017 10:14:20 GMT
50 million pounds worth of reasons why its time to go 1 WIMMER 2 IMBULA and 3 BERAHINO. would you let him spend your money?
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Post by alster on Nov 5, 2017 10:21:54 GMT
I think its time for a change this Summer so we can at least hope we'll improve because after two years of decline in results and performances that hope is all but dead for me with Hughes. Just that small few percent that remembers he can and has produced much better football remains as a distant memory.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 5, 2017 10:31:57 GMT
I think its time for a change this Summer so we can at least hope we'll improve because after two years of decline in results and performances that hope is all but dead for me with Hughes. Just that small few percent that remembers he can and has produced much better football remains as a distant memory. I think that's the scenario we're in to be honest. It's a question of whether he makes it to the end of the season or not but it's hard to see him still here on the opening day of next season barring something incredibly dramatic or drastic happening. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 5, 2017 10:39:04 GMT
I think its time for a change this Summer so we can at least hope we'll improve because after two years of decline in results and performances that hope is all but dead for me with Hughes. Just that small few percent that remembers he can and has produced much better football remains as a distant memory. I think that's the scenario we're in to be honest. It's a question of whether he makes it to the end of the season or not but it's hard to see him still here on the opening day of next season barring something incredibly dramatic or drastic happening. Is Hughes out of contract in the summer Rob? |
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 5, 2017 10:41:00 GMT
Hughes seems to do much better signings when he goes cheap!  |
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 5, 2017 10:41:47 GMT
I think that's the scenario we're in to be honest. It's a question of whether he makes it to the end of the season or not but it's hard to see him still here on the opening day of next season barring something incredibly dramatic or drastic happening. Is Hughes out of contract in the summer Rob? No - 2019 by the looks of it |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 5, 2017 10:44:54 GMT
I think that's the scenario we're in to be honest. It's a question of whether he makes it to the end of the season or not but it's hard to see him still here on the opening day of next season barring something incredibly dramatic or drastic happening. Is Hughes out of contract in the summer Rob? I think he's under contract until 2019 Paul. |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Nov 5, 2017 10:45:35 GMT
Don't agree with that, we were safe and secure in this league under TP and he was shown the door eventually. We weren't safe and secure in this league under Pulis at all. We needed to win at QPR in the fifth from last game of his final season or we were in deep shit. And yet he never gets relegated.. seems pretty safe to me. |
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Post by Davef on Nov 5, 2017 10:57:11 GMT
We weren't safe and secure in this league under Pulis at all. We needed to win at QPR in the fifth from last game of his final season or we were in deep shit. And yet he never gets relegated.. seems pretty safe to me. And neither does Mark Hughes. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 5, 2017 10:58:34 GMT
Don't agree with that, we were safe and secure in this league under TP and he was shown the door eventually. We weren't safe and secure in this league under Pulis at all. We needed to win at QPR in the fifth from last game of his final season or we were in deep shit. We went into the Hull game as late as April last year where a defeat would have left us looking in the shit. |
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Post by Davef on Nov 5, 2017 10:59:46 GMT
We weren't safe and secure in this league under Pulis at all. We needed to win at QPR in the fifth from last game of his final season or we were in deep shit. We went into the Hull game as late as April last year where a defeat would have left us looking in the shit. I'm not the one claiming we are safe and secure under Hughes though am I? |
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Post by march4 on Nov 5, 2017 11:01:14 GMT
And yet he never gets relegated.. seems pretty safe to me. And neither does Mark Hughes. Only because he was sacked with his club in a hopeless position, Dave. I suspect that is what you are hinting at! |
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Post by werrington on Nov 5, 2017 11:02:04 GMT
And neither does Mark Hughes. Only because he was sacked with his club in a hopeless position, Dave. I suspect that is what you are hinting at! They weren’t though were they |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 5, 2017 11:02:10 GMT
Pulis ultimately lost his battle with Scholes and Cartwright. Their complete ascendency is now the biggest problem we face. The introduction of Cartwright in the first place owed a lot to his transfer window failings though didn't it? We'd generally gone slowly downhill since the window after the cup final, he lost the goodwill of increasing numbers of the support, we went on a run of one win in four months. It all added up and he really couldn't have too many complaints. Even the most glittering eras come to an end and he was as much the architect of his downfall as he was his own and the team's success. I don't think it was a clear sacking offence really, there were clearly other matters at play. In the present, we've now had pretty much 5 catastrophic windows on the bounce and the people responsible are still safe in their jobs. It's an absolute joke. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 5, 2017 11:04:04 GMT
50 million pounds worth of reasons why its time to go 1 WIMMER 2 IMBULA and 3 BERAHINO. would you let him spend your money? We pay people handsomely for this level of shit.  |
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Post by alster on Nov 5, 2017 11:06:53 GMT
Not disliking the post by the way just the fact he's contracted for next season. |
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 5, 2017 11:08:40 GMT
As long as PC insists on considering British only managers then there is genuinely nothing better than Hughes out there.
It's whether PC will be brave enough to change this policy.
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Post by Davef on Nov 5, 2017 11:09:38 GMT
And neither does Mark Hughes. Only because he was sacked with his club in a hopeless position, Dave. I suspect that is what you are hinting at! We'll never know what would've happened had Hughes stayed at QPR, just as we'll never know what would've happened had Pulis remained Stoke manager. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 5, 2017 11:11:33 GMT
As long as PC insists on considering British only managers then there is genuinely nothing better than Hughes out there. It's whether PC will be brave enough to change this policy. Mark Hughes isn't the only problem. It's the smug arrogance that permeates at all levels. |
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Post by Gods on Nov 5, 2017 11:12:44 GMT
50 million pounds worth of reasons why its time to go 1 WIMMER 2 IMBULA and 3 BERAHINO. would you let him spend your money? We've had a nightmare with those 3 purchases, imagine where we could be had we invested the £60 million wisely? The chairman must have copious quantities of steam coming out of his ears when he reflects on these comic yet eye wateringly expensive acquisitions, 5 year contracts all round too, but despite all that amazingly I'd still 'stick' right now. |
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