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Post by chrisparker on Nov 6, 2017 2:13:48 GMT
Who'd you want to bring in instead? Gary Neville. I'm not even sure if you're being serious. You'd be willing to sack a proven premier league manager who has led us to 3 consecutive top 10 finishes, the highest position the club has ever achieved, and who had us playing some of the best football that most younger fans have ever witnessed from a Stoke team for a completely unproven manager whose only spell at managing in a top league was a complete and utter disaster? The truth is I'd be happy to show Hughes the door if we can bring in a manager who can push us on even further, someone like Martin O'Neil or Benitez both of whom have experience managing teams in the top 6 of the premier league over a period of time. But the truth is no one of that calibre is available so at this moment in time I'm fully behind Hughes and I'd like him to stay. Unlike some other fans on here, I don't take for granted what we have right now. There are a lot more clubs who'd be willing to swap places with us right now then there are clubs who we'd like to swap places with. Don't gamble that away so fast.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Nov 6, 2017 2:18:55 GMT
I'm not even sure if you're being serious. You'd be willing to sack a proven premier league manager who has led us to 3 consecutive top 10 finishes, the highest position the club has ever achieved, and who had us playing some of the best football that most younger fans have ever witnessed from a Stoke team for a completely unproven manager whose only spell at managing in a top league was a complete and utter disaster? The truth is I'd be happy to show Hughes the door if we can bring in a manager who can push us on even further, someone like Martin O'Neil or Benitez both of whom have experience managing teams in the top 6 of the premier league over a period of time. But the truth is no one of that calibre is available so at this moment in time I'm fully behind Hughes and I'd like him to stay. Unlike some other fans on here, I don't take for granted what we have right now. There are a lot more clubs who'd be willing to swap places with us right now then there are clubs who we'd like to swap places with. Don't gamble that away so fast. I don't care how proven a manager is. Was Pochettino proven? I think Neville would give us some shape and a plan, and that's something Hughes is failing to do. I think Neville would get more out of our players than Hughes has been able to do.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 6, 2017 6:49:35 GMT
So Bournemouth’s cynicism is like kryptonite that no team can possibly hope to overcome is it? Did nobody mention that to the mighty Watford or West Brom? If the fans turn on Hughes he won’t be here by 2018, let alone 2019. More performances like Bournemouth and it’ll be over. The good parts of yesterday’s performance will buy him a bit of time. But not much unless things get radically better. Says you. 'If the fans turn'? is that your wishful thinking? It's only on here that there's such antagonism towards Hughes and co. That isn't the feeling I get amongst the general populace. 'Buy him a bit of time'? Seriously? Bournemouth are wrong. And wronged us. First half cautious after a Man City whopping. Smashed 'em second half after a rocket from the boss. Players still on board, why can't you be? Bournemouth are a bunch of cynical little shits but it’s daft to say we couldn’t possibly hope to beat them. Shame that ‘caution’ didn’t prevent us conceding two amateurish goals inside the first 20 minutes isn’t it? Or that ‘smashing them’ created us a goal and then barely gave Asmir a finger to lift for the rest of the afternoon? It isn’t wishful thinking at all. Wishful thinking would be him getting back to being the manager he was in 2015. It’s realism. The mood was turning against Bournemouth, his name is rarely sung at the ground anymore, the honeymoon is over. You’d still be typing ‘KTF’ and telling us it was all part of the plan on the coach to Burton or Preston.
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 6, 2017 6:58:28 GMT
I'm not even sure if you're being serious. You'd be willing to sack a proven premier league manager who has led us to 3 consecutive top 10 finishes, the highest position the club has ever achieved, and who had us playing some of the best football that most younger fans have ever witnessed from a Stoke team for a completely unproven manager whose only spell at managing in a top league was a complete and utter disaster? The truth is I'd be happy to show Hughes the door if we can bring in a manager who can push us on even further, someone like Martin O'Neil or Benitez both of whom have experience managing teams in the top 6 of the premier league over a period of time. But the truth is no one of that calibre is available so at this moment in time I'm fully behind Hughes and I'd like him to stay. Unlike some other fans on here, I don't take for granted what we have right now. There are a lot more clubs who'd be willing to swap places with us right now then there are clubs who we'd like to swap places with. Don't gamble that away so fast. Martin O'Neill? Jesus hates christ.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 6, 2017 7:43:47 GMT
I'm not even sure if you're being serious. You'd be willing to sack a proven premier league manager who has led us to 3 consecutive top 10 finishes, the highest position the club has ever achieved, and who had us playing some of the best football that most younger fans have ever witnessed from a Stoke team for a completely unproven manager whose only spell at managing in a top league was a complete and utter disaster? The truth is I'd be happy to show Hughes the door if we can bring in a manager who can push us on even further, someone like Martin O'Neil or Benitez both of whom have experience managing teams in the top 6 of the premier league over a period of time. But the truth is no one of that calibre is available so at this moment in time I'm fully behind Hughes and I'd like him to stay. Unlike some other fans on here, I don't take for granted what we have right now. There are a lot more clubs who'd be willing to swap places with us right now then there are clubs who we'd like to swap places with. Don't gamble that away so fast. I don't care how proven a manager is. Was Pochettino proven? I think Neville would give us some shape and a plan, and that's something Hughes is failing to do. I think Neville would get more out of our players than Hughes has been able to do. What is any of that based on though? Him talking a good game on MNF? You can't compare him with Pochettino.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2017 7:51:43 GMT
So Bournemouth’s cynicism is like kryptonite that no team can possibly hope to overcome is it? Did nobody mention that to the mighty Watford or West Brom? If the fans turn on Hughes he won’t be here by 2018, let alone 2019. More performances like Bournemouth and it’ll be over. The good parts of yesterday’s performance will buy him a bit of time. But not much unless things get radically better. Says you. 'If the fans turn'? is that your wishful thinking? It's only on here that there's such antagonism towards Hughes and co. That isn't the feeling I get amongst the general populace. 'Buy him a bit of time'? Seriously? Bournemouth are wrong. And wronged us. First half cautious after a Man City whopping. Smashed 'em second half after a rocket from the boss. Players still on board, why can't you be? There are a lot that sit around me in the Seddon that were giving the manager dogs abuse at half time on Saturday. It wasn't just one or two either. Bournemouth match was acid around me also. The crowd have turned and another really ropey run will see it turn even more IMO.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Nov 6, 2017 13:10:36 GMT
I don't care how proven a manager is. Was Pochettino proven? I think Neville would give us some shape and a plan, and that's something Hughes is failing to do. I think Neville would get more out of our players than Hughes has been able to do. What is any of that based on though? Him talking a good game on MNF? You can't compare him with Pochettino. I already said lots of times why I think he would be good and it's not just about talking a good game. You have to start somewhere.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 6, 2017 13:14:24 GMT
What is any of that based on though? Him talking a good game on MNF? You can't compare him with Pochettino. I already said lots of times why I think he would be good and it's not just about talking a good game. You have to start somewhere. You do, but it's all about timing. Not convinced a Premier League relegation battle is a job for a novice manager. And I'd rather see how he gets on further down the ladder if he does go into management.
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 6, 2017 13:19:43 GMT
Isn't Neville on record as saying management is not for him now?
He's got a cushy few million a year rolling in as it is. Hours are good, profile sky-high and nothing he ever says is testable on grass. Perfect.
With Dyche, Allardyce and Moyes off the agenda, it's a crapshoot trying to guess where we (or any similar club) would look.
Even some of the more interesting Championship picks like Jokanovic are looking more of a gamble by the week.
I think that'll ensure Hughes remains until we're close to Armageddon in Coates' eyes.
The West Brom owner has probably made a similar calculation
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Post by Will_75 on Nov 6, 2017 13:47:30 GMT
I'm not even sure if you're being serious. You'd be willing to sack a proven premier league manager who has led us to 3 consecutive top 10 finishes, the highest position the club has ever achieved, and who had us playing some of the best football that most younger fans have ever witnessed from a Stoke team for a completely unproven manager whose only spell at managing in a top league was a complete and utter disaster? The truth is I'd be happy to show Hughes the door if we can bring in a manager who can push us on even further, someone like Martin O'Neil or Benitez both of whom have experience managing teams in the top 6 of the premier league over a period of time. But the truth is no one of that calibre is available so at this moment in time I'm fully behind Hughes and I'd like him to stay. Unlike some other fans on here, I don't take for granted what we have right now. There are a lot more clubs who'd be willing to swap places with us right now then there are clubs who we'd like to swap places with. Don't gamble that away so fast. I don't care how proven a manager is. Was Pochettino proven? I think Neville would give us some shape and a plan, and that's something Hughes is failing to do. I think Neville would get more out of our players than Hughes has been able to do. Pochettino had four years as a novice manager at Espanyol, during which time he proved himself to be a good prospect. Just over six weeks later he was manager of Southampton, who were prepared to take a very successful gamble on him. Neville had four months at Valencia, during which time he proved himself to be a laughing stock. Just under 20 monoths later, absolutely no-one has been prepared to gamble on him. Other than that, they're very similar.
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Post by mustbequackers on Nov 6, 2017 14:10:59 GMT
Hughes in
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Nov 6, 2017 14:21:14 GMT
I don't care how proven a manager is. Was Pochettino proven? I think Neville would give us some shape and a plan, and that's something Hughes is failing to do. I think Neville would get more out of our players than Hughes has been able to do. Pochettino had four years as a novice manager at Espanyol, during which time he proved himself to be a good prospect. Just over six weeks later he was manager of Southampton, who were prepared to take a very successful gamble on him. Neville had four months at Valencia, during which time he proved himself to be a laughing stock. Just under 20 monoths later, absolutely no-one has been prepared to gamble on him. Other than that, they're very similar. He had no experience in the Premier League which is what people are talking about when they want PREMIERSHIP proven managers. Pochettino would've been more of a risk than Neville.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 6, 2017 14:29:54 GMT
Pochettino had four years as a novice manager at Espanyol, during which time he proved himself to be a good prospect. Just over six weeks later he was manager of Southampton, who were prepared to take a very successful gamble on him. Neville had four months at Valencia, during which time he proved himself to be a laughing stock. Just under 20 monoths later, absolutely no-one has been prepared to gamble on him. Other than that, they're very similar. He had no experience in the Premier League which is what people are talking about when they want PREMIERSHIP proven managers. Pochettino would've been more of a risk than Neville. Behave yourself, of course he wouldn't.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Nov 6, 2017 14:31:05 GMT
Says you. 'If the fans turn'? is that your wishful thinking? It's only on here that there's such antagonism towards Hughes and co. That isn't the feeling I get amongst the general populace. 'Buy him a bit of time'? Seriously? Bournemouth are wrong. And wronged us. First half cautious after a Man City whopping. Smashed 'em second half after a rocket from the boss. Players still on board, why can't you be? There are a lot that sit around me in the Seddon that were giving the manager dogs abuse at half time on Saturday. It wasn't just one or two either. Bournemouth match was acid around me also. The crowd have turned and another really ropey run will see it turn even more IMO. I don't think we're anywhere near a critical mass that would be a tipping point. As a crowd there's some complacency and definitely an element of 'only sing when we're winning', Some vitriol was warranted in that Bournemouth first half on the back of the Man City larruping, but similarly there was plenty of 'Mark Hughes {barmy} army' during the Man U and Arsenal thrillers. Ktf
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Nov 6, 2017 14:32:43 GMT
He had no experience in the Premier League which is what people are talking about when they want PREMIERSHIP proven managers. Pochettino would've been more of a risk than Neville. Behave yourself, of course he wouldn't. Why? Because he managed 3 years at Espanyol? Both have 0 Premier League experience. If we sit still with Hughes we will only rot. The football is so dire.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 6, 2017 14:38:47 GMT
Behave yourself, of course he wouldn't. Why? Because he managed 3 years at Espanyol? Both have 0 Premier League experience. If we sit still with Hughes we will only rot. The football is so dire. Having some football management experience in one of Europe's top leagues, and getting a medium sized club punching above their weight, makes you less of a gamble than having no management or coaching experience in English football and your only experience being a dismal few months at a basket case Spanish club at their lowest ebb and arguably the greatest embarrassment in the England national side's history.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Nov 6, 2017 14:46:14 GMT
Why? Because he managed 3 years at Espanyol? Both have 0 Premier League experience. If we sit still with Hughes we will only rot. The football is so dire. Having some football management experience in one of Europe's top leagues, and getting a medium sized club punching above their weight, makes you less of a gamble than having no management or coaching experience in English football and your only experience being a dismal few months at a basket case Spanish club at their lowest ebb and arguably the greatest embarrassment in the England national side's history. Pochettino didn't have Espanyol punching above their weight. He was fairly average with them and most Southampton fans were disappointed with his arrival. And just because a manager has failed at once club doesn't always mean he's a bad manager. I'd take Koeman, Moyes, Bilic over Hughes any day. All better managers than Hughes.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 6, 2017 14:59:13 GMT
Having some football management experience in one of Europe's top leagues, and getting a medium sized club punching above their weight, makes you less of a gamble than having no management or coaching experience in English football and your only experience being a dismal few months at a basket case Spanish club at their lowest ebb and arguably the greatest embarrassment in the England national side's history. Pochettino didn't have Espanyol punching above their weight. He was fairly average with them and most Southampton fans were disappointed with his arrival. And just because a manager has failed at once club doesn't always mean he's a bad manager. I'd take Koeman, Moyes, Bilic over Hughes any day. All better managers than Hughes. 1) Pochettino took over with the relegation zone and guided them to 10th. In his last full season they finished 8th. That's pretty good going. 2) It isn't so much that Neville failed as that he has virtually no experience at all and what little experience he has is bad. Ballsy shout to hand the running of your club over to that person based on that. 3) I'm not convinced anyone on that list is better than Hughes.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Nov 6, 2017 15:03:09 GMT
Says you. 'If the fans turn'? is that your wishful thinking? It's only on here that there's such antagonism towards Hughes and co. That isn't the feeling I get amongst the general populace. 'Buy him a bit of time'? Seriously? Bournemouth are wrong. And wronged us. First half cautious after a Man City whopping. Smashed 'em second half after a rocket from the boss. Players still on board, why can't you be? Bournemouth are a bunch of cynical little shits but it’s daft to say we couldn’t possibly hope to beat them. Shame that ‘caution’ didn’t prevent us conceding two amateurish goals inside the first 20 minutes isn’t it? Or that ‘smashing them’ created us a goal and then barely gave Asmir a finger to lift for the rest of the afternoon? It isn’t wishful thinking at all. Wishful thinking would be him getting back to being the manager he was in 2015. It’s realism. The mood was turning against Bournemouth, his name is rarely sung at the ground anymore, the honeymoon is over. You’d still be typing ‘KTF’ and telling us it was all part of the plan on the coach to Burton or Preston. Never said we couldn't or shouldn't beat Bournemouth, we have done, but equally we've seen two ultra cynical displays on the spin at our place. You seemed to be hanging your hat on that game. It was so staccato, engineered by them. We were complicit, but shell shocked after the MCity shellacking. B'mouth was horrible, but not a season definer. My faith remains because I think Hughes is a good manager, last season was a let down for many, but for me I thought he 'managed' us around some pretty intractable difficulties {some arguably of his/our making maybe}: playing without Jack, a fully fit Ryan, Arnie's head elsewhere, Shaq on the treatment table and effectively playing sans a striker etc etc. and yet still a couple of points/goals off top ten again. And I still think we did so playing pretty decent football, there were only really Spurs, Arsenal, Man City at theirs that played 'better' football than us. Everton were no great shakes though streets ahead in 7th, we gave Man Utd and Chelsea difficult games. Last season added some nuts and bolts and did better at beating the bread and butter. Obviously not all rosy and again I do fear we'll be hamstrung again by a lack of a striker, lack a bit of depth/youth in midfield and could do with a time machine to accelerate the development of Edwards/Tymon and N'Goy}, but I'm of the opinion we're not far off. I don't reckon Hughes will take us down, but it's not blind faith from me, I reserve the right to change me mind. For the moment Ktf mate.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Nov 6, 2017 15:16:23 GMT
Pochettino didn't have Espanyol punching above their weight. He was fairly average with them and most Southampton fans were disappointed with his arrival. And just because a manager has failed at once club doesn't always mean he's a bad manager. I'd take Koeman, Moyes, Bilic over Hughes any day. All better managers than Hughes. 1) Pochettino took over with the relegation zone and guided them to 10th. In his last full season they finished 8th. That's pretty good going. 2) It isn't so much that Neville failed as that he has virtually no experience at all and what little experience he has is bad. Ballsy shout to hand the running of your club over to that person based on that. 3) I'm not convinced anyone on that list is better than Hughes. We're almost a carbon copy of his QPR side.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 6, 2017 15:27:47 GMT
1) Pochettino took over with the relegation zone and guided them to 10th. In his last full season they finished 8th. That's pretty good going. 2) It isn't so much that Neville failed as that he has virtually no experience at all and what little experience he has is bad. Ballsy shout to hand the running of your club over to that person based on that. 3) I'm not convinced anyone on that list is better than Hughes. We're almost a carbon copy of his QPR side. The problems with that comparison are that it's not clear who was signing the players for QPR and that save for keeping them up just about when he took over, he was a complete disaster there whereas he hasn't been that at all here. I'm not defending Hughes, I just think the idea that literally anyone would be better is very silly.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Nov 6, 2017 15:34:36 GMT
Isn't Neville on record as saying management is not for him now? He's got a cushy few million a year rolling in as it is. Hours are good, profile sky-high and nothing he ever says is testable on grass. Perfect. With Dyche, Allardyce and Moyes off the agenda, it's a crapshoot trying to guess where we (or any similar club) would look. Even some of the more interesting Championship picks like Jokanovic are looking more of a gamble by the week. I think that'll ensure Hughes remains until we're close to Armageddon in Coates' eyes. The West Brom owner has probably made a similar calculation Wise words FM, was thinking the same myself. If Allardyce were to go to Everton and Moyes to West Ham, I would guess that is PC's top 2 choices out of the picture. As the managerial merry-go-round begins to turn, MH's position looks stronger. Not that I think things are so awful. The pack is unbelievably tight again, and Leicester with their relatively solid back 4, 2 decent centre mids and pacy forwards look about the best equipped for 7th. There was a degree of good fortune in their goals - second ball fell nicely for the first and the Ndidi challenge on Diouf put Erik behind the 8 ball. I thought we showed resilience and scored 2 nice goals. The first was a beauty and another goal from a corner, something we were all moaning about a couple of years ago. A draw a fair result though. Hughes appeared to start the game covering the counter to try to get the first goal. Still think there is more to come from this group. If he plays Diouf at RWB, I think he's got to play either Bera or Crouch up top and one of Choupo/Sobhi/Jese on the left. We look better to me with a more natural striker than Choupo leading the line.
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Post by alster on Nov 6, 2017 16:29:01 GMT
Isn't Neville on record as saying management is not for him now? He's got a cushy few million a year rolling in as it is. Hours are good, profile sky-high and nothing he ever says is testable on grass. Perfect. With Dyche, Allardyce and Moyes off the agenda, it's a crapshoot trying to guess where we (or any similar club) would look. Even some of the more interesting Championship picks like Jokanovic are looking more of a gamble by the week. I think that'll ensure Hughes remains until we're close to Armageddon in Coates' eyes. The West Brom owner has probably made a similar calculation Wise words FM, was thinking the same myself. If Allardyce were to go to Everton and Moyes to West Ham, I would guess that is PC's top 2 choices out of the picture. As the managerial merry-go-round begins to turn, MH's position looks stronger. Not that I think things are so awful. The pack is unbelievably tight again, and Leicester with their relatively solid back 4, 2 decent centre mids and pacy forwards look about the best equipped for 7th. There was a degree of good fortune in their goals - second ball fell nicely for the first and the Ndidi challenge on Diouf put Erik behind the 8 ball. I thought we showed resilience and scored 2 nice goals. The first was a beauty and another goal from a corner, something we were all moaning about a couple of years ago. A draw a fair result though. Hughes appeared to start the game covering the counter to try to get the first goal. Still think there is more to come from this group. If he plays Diouf at RWB, I think he's got to play either Bera or Crouch up top and one of Choupo/Sobhi/Jese on the left. We look better to me with a more natural striker than Choupo leading the line. I think he's fucked up so badly with recruitment and selection of strikers he's taken to not playing one at all just to relieve his tortured mind.
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Post by lloydstevens43 on Nov 6, 2017 17:15:42 GMT
Mozzer imo as long as he keeps us in the PL that ensures TV and other media coverage of bet365, then Hughes is safe. Don't agree with that, we were safe and secure in this league under TP and he was shown the door eventually. Ye We were safe with pulis. still think hughes will send us down sorry thats why i want him gone
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Post by alster on Nov 6, 2017 18:17:51 GMT
Don't agree with that, we were safe and secure in this league under TP and he was shown the door eventually. Ye We were safe with pulis. still think hughes will send us down sorry thats why i want him gone We were unambitious and boring with Pulis people wanted something better. We got Hughes he gave us something better for a while but has now become unambitious and boring. I'm still not satisfied with unambitious and boring that's why I want him gone and why I definitely don't want Toxic Tone back.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Nov 6, 2017 19:23:02 GMT
The only thing the anti Hughes camp have in common is they want Hughes gone, Beyond that its split into:
1 Those that want a backs against the wall grind out results manager. Preferably northern and preferably with a gravelly voice
2 Those that want thrilling expansive football at all costs. Preferably with Pace (presumably because Hale is past it) and Youth - a dozen ovum and a test tube of sperm will do
3 Those with completely unrealistic expectations - just maybe Pep will get bored with the lack of a challenge by mid season?
4 Those sticking pins into a random list of famous names. Gary Neville, Seriously, Gary Neville.
Changing the manager might make some feel better. But the chances of a change making a significant positive difference are slim. And the one thing it won't do is galvanise the support - if anything it will be more split than ever before. Unless we can find a a backs against the wall northerner with a gravelly voice who will play an expansive game based on pace and youth who is totally out of our league due to a high media profile but absolutely no experience of managing a football team in the Premier League. Step forward Barbara from the League of Gentlemen. You know it makes sense.
Hughes in. We're a mid table side with some decent players and a proven manager who knows the club and has a successful track record in the Premier League, The alternatives vary from uninspiring to just plain bonkers.
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Post by alster on Nov 6, 2017 19:45:12 GMT
The only thing the anti Hughes camp have in common is they want Hughes gone, Beyond that its split into: 1 Those that want a backs against the wall grind out results manager. Preferably northern and preferably with a gravelly voice 2 Those that want thrilling expansive football at all costs. Preferably with Pace (presumably because Hale is past it) and Youth - a dozen ovum and a test tube of sperm will do 3 Those with completely unrealistic expectations - just maybe Pep will get bored with the lack of a challenge by mid season? 4 Those sticking pins into a random list of famous names. Gary Neville, Seriously, Gary Neville. Changing the manager might make some feel better. But the chances of a change making a significant positive difference are slim. And the one thing it won't do is galvanise the support - if anything it will be more split than ever before. Unless we can find a a backs against the wall northerner with a gravelly voice who will play an expansive game based on pace and youth who is totally out of our league due to a high media profile but absolutely no experience of managing a football team in the Premier League. Step forward Barbara from the League of Gentlemen. You know it makes sense. Hughes in. We're a mid table side with some decent players and a proven manager who knows the club and has a successful track record in the Premier League, The alternatives vary from uninspiring to just plain bonkers. I think 1 & 2 would have done and you have a point, that in the main we are a split fanbase who want polar opposites in football terms. 3 & 4 went off on some sort of bonkers tangent. I'd argue that the chances of making a significant positive difference being slim is wrong. Its a mild form of sacking Pulis will see us in oblivion from a few years ago. Hughes came in was not a universally popular choice but I'd say he made a significant positive difference for at least two years. In the last two and a bit years he's become more like Tone than Tone boring, negative, bizarre selection, hammering very square pegs into round holes. So why is there only a slim chance of someone coming in and making a significant positive difference does Hughes have a monopoly on that? What you really mean is "I don't want to change manager, so anyone who does is just daft". People wouldn't buy it then and they won't now. Hughes has over half a season to start making a significant positive difference or somebody else needs to try doing so instead.
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Post by iglugluk on Nov 6, 2017 19:55:30 GMT
The only thing the anti Hughes camp have in common is they want Hughes gone, Beyond that its split into: 1 Those that want a backs against the wall grind out results manager. Preferably northern and preferably with a gravelly voice 2 Those that want thrilling expansive football at all costs. Preferably with Pace (presumably because Hale is past it) and Youth - a dozen ovum and a test tube of sperm will do 3 Those with completely unrealistic expectations - just maybe Pep will get bored with the lack of a challenge by mid season? 4 Those sticking pins into a random list of famous names. Gary Neville, Seriously, Gary Neville. Changing the manager might make some feel better. But the chances of a change making a significant positive difference are slim. And the one thing it won't do is galvanise the support - if anything it will be more split than ever before. Unless we can find a a backs against the wall northerner with a gravelly voice who will play an expansive game based on pace and youth who is totally out of our league due to a high media profile but absolutely no experience of managing a football team in the Premier League. Step forward Barbara from the League of Gentlemen. You know it makes sense. Hughes in. We're a mid table side with some decent players and a proven manager who knows the club and has a successful track record in the Premier League, The alternatives vary from uninspiring to just plain bonkers. You certainly make some reasoned points. But your 4 divisions of those who want a managerial change don't cover the bases. There has been some short sighted thinking during successive transfer windows from Hughes and his team and it has shown on the pitch over the last 20 odd months. I believe we should be playing better and given that Hughes oversaw a definite improvement at the beginning of his tenure he should be capable of achieving that again. However it now seems that he is struggling with finding a style that suits our personnel, personnel that he has bought and as a result that struggle is showing up on the pitch. If he doesn't lift us before the end of this season and, presuming we stay up, I think the board should be thinking about viable replacements and that thought process needs to start now. We cannot be caught in the position of replacing a manager during a relegation fight.
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 6, 2017 20:01:53 GMT
The only thing the anti Hughes camp have in common is they want Hughes gone, Beyond that its split into: 1 Those that want a backs against the wall grind out results manager. Preferably northern and preferably with a gravelly voice 2 Those that want thrilling expansive football at all costs. Preferably with Pace (presumably because Hale is past it) and Youth - a dozen ovum and a test tube of sperm will do 3 Those with completely unrealistic expectations - just maybe Pep will get bored with the lack of a challenge by mid season? 4 Those sticking pins into a random list of famous names. Gary Neville, Seriously, Gary Neville. Changing the manager might make some feel better. But the chances of a change making a significant positive difference are slim. And the one thing it won't do is galvanise the support - if anything it will be more split than ever before. Unless we can find a a backs against the wall northerner with a gravelly voice who will play an expansive game based on pace and youth who is totally out of our league due to a high media profile but absolutely no experience of managing a football team in the Premier League. Step forward Barbara from the League of Gentlemen. You know it makes sense. Hughes in. We're a mid table side with some decent players and a proven manager who knows the club and has a successful track record in the Premier League, The alternatives vary from uninspiring to just plain bonkers. You certainly make some reasoned points. But your 4 divisions of those who want a managerial change don't cover the bases. There has been some short sighted thinking during successive transfer windows from Hughes and his team and it has shown on the pitch over the last 20 odd months. I believe we should be playing better and given that Hughes oversaw a definite improvement at the beginning of his tenure he should be capable of achieving that again. However it now seems that he is struggling with finding a style that suits our personnel, personnel that he has bought and as a result that struggle is showing up on the pitch. If he doesn't lift us before the end of this season and, presuming we stay up, I think the board should be thinking about viable replacements and that thought process needs to start now. We cannot be caught in the position of replacing a manager during a relegation fight. The short sighted thinking comes from the very top of the club. Coates is on his knees every night praying to the football Gods that Hughes does the business and keeps us up on the relatively piss poor budget he gives him.
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Post by lordb on Nov 6, 2017 20:05:45 GMT
Behave yourself, of course he wouldn't. Why? Because he managed 3 years at Espanyol? Both have 0 Premier League experience. If we sit still with Hughes we will only rot. The football is so dire. Yes because he had three four YEARS as a manager (& did well) makes him infinitely more viable than a good pundit who has virtually no management experience. Now taking on a manager with no Premier League experience against one who has, that's a different scenario.
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