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Post by AlanHansen on Nov 4, 2017 17:26:50 GMT
It's mind numbing stuff. He's got to go.
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Post by Davef on Nov 4, 2017 17:28:54 GMT
Shouldn't this be in the West Brom thread?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 4, 2017 17:38:35 GMT
Mate next to me today asked what our identity is as a team?Its a very good question and one I couldn’t answer
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Post by werrington on Nov 4, 2017 17:41:30 GMT
Mate next to me today asked what our identity is as a team?Its a very good question and one I couldn’t answer Cmon mate that identity bollocks is 4 years out of date |
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 4, 2017 17:42:10 GMT
Mate next to me today asked what our identity is as a team?Its a very good question and one I couldn’t answer Another stick to beat a manger with. What identity do you want? It's a pointless question. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 4, 2017 17:43:59 GMT
Mate next to me today asked what our identity is as a team?Its a very good question and one I couldn’t answer Cmon mate that identity bollocks is 4 years out of date Not for mate it isn’t I genuinely thought it was a good question tbh. |
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Post by wuzza on Nov 4, 2017 17:44:03 GMT
First 15 mins looked like it was going to be the usual but it picked up markedly.
Leicester went for it and we clung on for dear life and gradually got better.
As ever during MH’s reign there were signs that we could be good without it ever really quite happening.
Equally we teeter on the edge of being dreadful sometimes but eventually we pull something out of the bag.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 4, 2017 17:46:52 GMT
I don’t think it’s questioning identity in the sense of “boo hoo why don’t we kick fuck out of everyone and play for throw ins anymore?” but what sort of team are we? Bournemouth, Leicester etc clearly had some kind of defined way of playing and plan. From week to week I don’t know what ours is. We’re not a team that presses. We don’t have the pace to counter attack. Sometimes we look organised, sometimes we look like we’ve just dropped LSD. We don’t have much cohesion at either end a lot of the time and it takes moments of individual quality to pull something out of the fire.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 4, 2017 17:46:57 GMT
Mate next to me today asked what our identity is as a team?Its a very good question and one I couldn’t answer Another stick to beat a manger with. What identity do you want? It's a pointless question. Fuck all to do with beating the manager for me.Just a question that not many fans can give an answer to at the minute |
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Post by AlanHansen on Nov 4, 2017 17:47:40 GMT
What is our plan A. I'm fucked if I know what the plan is.
Plan B is Crouch. It's as effective as anything in the league.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 4, 2017 17:47:58 GMT
I don’t think it’s identity so much as “boo boo, why don’t we kick fuck out of everyone and play for throw ins anymore?” but what sort of team are we? Bournemouth, Leicester etc clearly had some kind of defined way of playing and plan. From week to week I don’t know what ours is. We’re not a team that presses. We don’t have the pace to counter attack. Sometimes we look organised, sometimes we look like we’ve just dropped LSD. We don’t have much cohesion at either end a lot of the time and it takes moments of individual quality to pull something out of the fire. Spot on mate 👍 |
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Post by werrington on Nov 4, 2017 17:48:12 GMT
Mate next to me today asked what our identity is as a team?Its a very good question and one I couldn’t answer Cmon mate that identity bollocks is 4 years out of date What’s any teams identity mate ? It’s all Pulis/Higginbottom nonsense ....why the fuck are we the only team who needs an identity? Huddersfield Brighton etc ...wtf is their identity |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 4, 2017 17:48:55 GMT
Cmon mate that identity bollocks is 4 years out of date What’s any teams identity mate ? It’s all Pulis/Higginbottom nonsense ....why the fuck are we the only team who needs an identity? Huddersfield Brighton etc ...wtf is their identity See robs post |
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Post by werrington on Nov 4, 2017 17:51:13 GMT
What’s any teams identity mate ? It’s all Pulis/Higginbottom nonsense ....why the fuck are we the only team who needs an identity? Huddersfield Brighton etc ...wtf is their identity See robs post I’m not defending or slating Hughes mate ....that identity nonsense winds me up |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 4, 2017 17:51:36 GMT
Shouldn't this be in the West Brom thread? It fits on both. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 4, 2017 17:54:55 GMT
I’m not defending or slating Hughes mate ....that identity nonsense winds me up No me neither mate just got no idea week in week out what we’re going to get |
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Post by superheroantonius on Nov 4, 2017 20:27:12 GMT
I think the OP is fair
When did we actually come out on the front foot and go for it , right from the off ,at home
It never seems to happen , eventually the players react and get going , probably because we actually have some good players
But to me as a team , under Hughes , we seem timid until the game starts to go away from us and we are forced to come out and play
I personally think the players are better than hughes .
My personal opinion is if they were playing for , for instance Sean dysche or David Wagner or Chris hughton or Chris wilder , we would have more points on the board.
Impossible to prove but looks that way to me
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 4, 2017 20:28:12 GMT
Cmon mate that identity bollocks is 4 years out of date What’s any teams identity mate ? It’s all Pulis/Higginbottom nonsense ....why the fuck are we the only team who needs an identity? Huddersfield Brighton etc ...wtf is their identity Leicester's is pace in forward areas, balls over the top for the pacy ones to chase and getting from back to front in less than about 5 passes. As Rob says it's about having a plan. We have no plan, we have no set way of playing. And the only thing that works consistently is launching it to Crouch. |
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Post by reddipotter on Nov 4, 2017 20:28:44 GMT
We finished the game playing 4-4-2, with a centre half at full back. We had Crouch up front. We bring everyone back for corners. We sit 14th in the table. Can anyone tell me what progress we have made in 4 1/2 years?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 4, 2017 20:32:32 GMT
I think the OP is fair When did we actually come out on the front foot and go for it , right from the off ,at home It never seems to happen , eventually the players react and get going , probably because we actually have some good players But to me as a team , under Hughes , we seem timid until the game starts to go away from us and we are forced to come out and play I personally think the players are better than hughes . My personal opinion is if they were playing for , for instance Sean dysche or David Wagner or Chris hughton or Chris wilder , we would have more points on the board. Impossible to prove but looks that way to me Dyche and Hughton teams don’t come hating out of the blocks and go for it though? |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 4, 2017 20:33:40 GMT
We finished the game playing 4-4-2, with a centre half at full back. We had Crouch up front. We bring everyone back for corners. We sit 14th in the table. Can anyone tell me what progress we have made in 4 1/2 years? The three top half finishes with more points and goals I’d imagine |
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Post by sportsman on Nov 4, 2017 20:33:41 GMT
It's mind numbing stuff. He's got to go. Shut up you tart |
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Post by sportsman on Nov 4, 2017 20:37:48 GMT
There must be about 12 premier league clubs fans all discussing and wanting to change their manager.
It really is getting stupid now this premier league.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 4, 2017 20:38:56 GMT
It's mind numbing stuff. He's got to go. Shut up you tart He has though. The club is stale. Massive changes are needed. |
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Post by sportsman on Nov 4, 2017 20:42:44 GMT
He has though. The club is stale. Massive changes are needed. I refer to my other post above. |
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Post by stokeson on Nov 4, 2017 20:45:20 GMT
Plan A = Win
Plan B = Win
Plan c = Win
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 4, 2017 20:47:48 GMT
He has though. The club is stale. Massive changes are needed. I refer to my other post above. You can't be happy with the crap we're served week in, week out for these past 18 months? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2017 20:51:43 GMT
For what it's worth, I think the points raised on here are valid. Word it however you want. Identity, DNA, pattern of play, style of play. Whatever, it still means the same. We have been very ropey now for nearly two full seasons. That isn't knee jerk. It's an opinion that i've quietly held to myself each week. Watching the various chopping and changing of starting line ups, patterns of play, corner and free kick routines, substitutions...and digging deeper various player roles and players picked for those roles.
I've tried to sit there and talk myself out of it, casting my mind back to the infamous day out at Wigan on the grass bank. It's all relative.
There are a lot of extenuating circumstances to a point - a horrendous injury list and to be frank, a chronic lack of real funding and far too much risk taking in the transfer market. However, when push comes to shove you just have to get on with it and make do with what you've got.
Has he? I'm not sure. As a one off example, the treatment of our strikers has been just baffling. I could understand it if our manager was an ex Leek Town goalkeeper but we're talking about one of the finest strikers of his generation. A bloke who knew how to finish and knew the kind of service a world class striker needed to prosper. Other than Peter Crouch, a 36 year old targetman, he has simply failed to get the best out of every other striker he's had since Diouf. The service to all of our strikers has been non existent in the worst extreme and very inconsistent in the best case scenario. It hasn't been corrected despite a complete turnaround of personnel in the attacking third over his tenure here. From Arnautovic, Assaidi, Ireland to Moting, Shaqiri and Ramadan thru' Bojan, Odemwingie, Moses et al.
I'm trying not to be negative. Really i aren't. I love this club and would follow it till the cows came home regardless of division we find ourselves in. I have never really felt in any type of real danger under Hughes, and some of the football has been good in sporadic bursts. At it's worst, it's better than the last bloke, which makes it all the more confusing as to why I sit there most weeks feeling like I do.
I just come away from games totally at a loss as to what we are trying to do. One week we play football, the next we are direct, one week it's three at the back with wing backs that aren't really wing backs, the next it's a flat back four with an 18 year old rookie lobbed in at right back against Leroy Sane. Today we've seen Kurt Zouma playing as a full back in game. It was horrendous. Why are we doing it when we are literally shitting money each season?
We pay our CEO just shy of 1M, our manager god knows what, we pour gods know what into our Academy, our recruitment is as funded as it's ever been yet here we are chopping and changing just flapping around in a rowing boat with one paddle.
Supporters are ungrateful, spiteful, hypocritical know nothings at the best of times and yes, i'm up there with the worst of them. Is it just too much to ask, win lose or draw, to build a team that plays a certain way (i'm not that bothered which way to be fair), has players that can come in and do a job when the first choice gets injured and when things get really hairy, have a set of youngsters ready to step up? A lot of that can be applied to all Premier League clubs too, which makes it all the more frustrating at a higher level.
Things need to change.
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Post by thevoid on Nov 4, 2017 21:50:36 GMT
10 seasons at this level and our main game-changing tactic is to lump it up to Crouch.
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Post by werrington on Nov 4, 2017 22:00:38 GMT
For what it's worth, I think the points raised on here are valid. Word it however you want. Identity, DNA, pattern of play, style of play. Whatever, it still means the same. We have been very ropey now for nearly two full seasons. That isn't knee jerk. It's an opinion that i've quietly held to myself each week. Watching the various chopping and changing of starting line ups, patterns of play, corner and free kick routines, substitutions...and digging deeper various player roles and players picked for those roles. I've tried to sit there and talk myself out of it, casting my mind back to the infamous day out at Wigan on the grass bank. It's all relative. There are a lot of extenuating circumstances to a point - a horrendous injury list and to be frank, a chronic lack of real funding and far too much risk taking in the transfer market. However, when push comes to shove you just have to get on with it and make do with what you've got. Has he? I'm not sure. As a one off example, the treatment of our strikers has been just baffling. I could understand it if our manager was an ex Leek Town goalkeeper but we're talking about one of the finest strikers of his generation. A bloke who knew how to finish and knew the kind of service a world class striker needed to prosper. Other than Peter Crouch, a 36 year old targetman, he has simply failed to get the best out of every other striker he's had since Diouf. The service to all of our strikers has been non existent in the worst extreme and very inconsistent in the best case scenario. It hasn't been corrected despite a complete turnaround of personnel in the attacking third over his tenure here. From Arnautovic, Assaidi, Ireland to Moting, Shaqiri and Ramadan thru' Bojan, Odemwingie, Moses et al. I'm trying not to be negative. Really i aren't. I love this club and would follow it till the cows came home regardless of division we find ourselves in. I have never really felt in any type of real danger under Hughes, and some of the football has been good in sporadic bursts. At it's worst, it's better than the last bloke, which makes it all the more confusing as to why I sit there most weeks feeling like I do. I just come away from games totally at a loss as to what we are trying to do. One week we play football, the next we are direct, one week it's three at the back with wing backs that aren't really wing backs, the next it's a flat back four with an 18 year old rookie lobbed in at right back against Leroy Sane. Today we've seen Kurt Zouma playing as a full back in game. It was horrendous. Why are we doing it when we are literally shitting money each season? We pay our CEO just shy of 1M, our manager god knows what, we pour gods know what into our Academy, our recruitment is as funded as it's ever been yet here we are chopping and changing just flapping around in a rowing boat with one paddle. Supporters are ungrateful, spiteful, hypocritical know nothings at the best of times and yes, i'm up there with the worst of them. Is it just too much to ask, win lose or draw, to build a team that plays a certain way (i'm not that bothered which way to be fair), has players that can come in and do a job when the first choice gets injured and when things get really hairy, have a set of youngsters ready to step up? A lot of that can be applied to all Premier League clubs too, which makes it all the more frustrating at a higher level. Things need to change. Brilliant mate ....this is where I am |
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