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Post by riccyfuller93 on Oct 23, 2017 0:52:42 GMT
I feel a poor result against Watford will force the owners to release Hughes of his services.
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Post by mrred on Oct 23, 2017 5:22:28 GMT
I wouldn't say no to Dyche though he's not the most attractive option. I just don't look at him as an option because he's a bit more traditional / loyal and I don't think he's just leave Burnley on a whim until his contract is up. Especially to a club like us. Dyche is a rich mans pulis and a poor mans Allardyce. Burnley are soild, if you think solid is entertaining then we are not really any better off ... I don't disagree. But we need someone that can work on shape and understands what constitutes as defending. But yeah there's not a lot of point going back to that style, just our options are pretty limited.
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Post by davyboy on Oct 23, 2017 8:33:35 GMT
Well if Saturday's serving of dross was supposed to be Stoke's answer to the humiliating defeat at Man City, then we failed on all fronts. At the end of the day Hughes must accept the lion's share of the blame as he picks the team and sets the formation. Many of us cringed when we heard that Johnson was playing right back. Poor old Zouma was constantly pulled out of position when he had to cover for Johnson going AWOL.Even when Hughes changed things he botched it. Would have been better to put Diouf right wing back and bring on Sobhi. Diouf proved he is not our answer at Centre forward. A change is needed at the top. The decline has been there for 18 months and we look likely to be the team that concedes most goals in the Prem as we were last year. A change is needed. Look at Vale since they sacked their manager and brought in Aspin. Complete revival. We need a manager who Knows how to defend. Personally I would have let Hughes go after Saturday. It was dreadful!!. If we get beeat at Watford, we are running out of those so called winnable games!
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Post by mozzer on Oct 23, 2017 19:49:57 GMT
I think the writings on the wall no matter what the outcome of the next few games
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 23, 2017 19:51:22 GMT
I think the writings on the wall no matter what the outcome of the next few games A good number wanted him gone in the summer and that feeling hasn't gone away.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Oct 23, 2017 19:54:36 GMT
I think the writings on the wall no matter what the outcome of the next few games A good number wanted him gone in the summer and that feeling hasn't gone away. I wanted him gone in the summer but chose to get behind him when it became obvious he was getting a second chance. I'm now firmly back in the 'get rid' camp. The whole place is flat, it's not fun being a Stoke fan and the players look like they're going through the motions as well. A big defeat at Watford could lead to Leicester being his last game, I firmly believe that now.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 23, 2017 20:36:07 GMT
A good number wanted him gone in the summer and that feeling hasn't gone away. I wanted him gone in the summer but chose to get behind him when it became obvious he was getting a second chance. I'm now firmly back in the 'get rid' camp. The whole place is flat, it's not fun being a Stoke fan and the players look like they're going through the motions as well. A big defeat at Watford could lead to Leicester being his last game, I firmly believe that now. Well let's hope you're mate Tony has grown some balls around manager salary as big Sam is 4 x Hughes ,if he's in the panel I'll be looking at cheap replacements as the most likely , we could even break the mound and go for a on loan manager ,
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Post by GeneralFaye on Oct 23, 2017 20:44:07 GMT
I wanted him gone in the summer but chose to get behind him when it became obvious he was getting a second chance. I'm now firmly back in the 'get rid' camp. The whole place is flat, it's not fun being a Stoke fan and the players look like they're going through the motions as well. A big defeat at Watford could lead to Leicester being his last game, I firmly believe that now. Well let's hope you're mate Tony has grown some balls around manager salary as big Sam is 4 x Hughes ,if he's in the panel I'll be looking at cheap replacements as the most likely , we could even break the mound and go for a on loan manager , Top banter 👍
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Post by mozzer on Oct 28, 2017 9:05:47 GMT
So.....
If we win today and win against Leicester will MH be put to the sword or will the owners still need to act,
Are two wins just papering over the cracks to hide the long term shambles that we have become and is a further blind step down the road that we have followed for the last 2 years
Or
Will it be a sign that MH has learned that his previous 2 years of tactics, team selection, signings and general attitude can no longer be tollerated and we have turned a corner.
I would not like to be the current owners with this decision to make because both descions could be a wrong one and a massive gamble
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Post by sutekh on Oct 28, 2017 9:19:47 GMT
I Dunna think that it’s about the next two results to be honest,it’s more to do with the results and performances of the last 18 months and for this alone he needs replacing. The final straw for me was last Saturday having our pants pulled down by Bournemouth of all clubs and they even had king and Defoe out.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2017 9:31:50 GMT
So..... If we win today and win against Leicester will MH be put to the sword or will the owners still need to act, Are two wins just papering over the cracks to hide the long term shambles that we have become and is a further blind step down the road that we have followed for the last 2 years Or Will it be a sign that MH has learned that his previous 2 years of tactics, team selection, signings and general attitude can no longer be tollerated and we have turned a corner. I would not like to be the current owners with this decision to make because both descions could be a wrong one and a massive gamble The perfect scenario is a turn around in results to get us safe then seriously take stock in the summer.
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 28, 2017 9:54:10 GMT
One of the issues is the back room staff. All of those will need paying off as well as replacing. I can think of only Dyche who comes with his entourage of coaches etc as a package.
It's not just as easy as sacking one bloke and bringing in another mid season.
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Post by alster on Oct 28, 2017 10:06:37 GMT
One of the issues is the back room staff. All of those will need paying off as well as replacing. I can think of only Dyche who comes with his entourage of coaches etc as a package. It's not just as easy as sacking one bloke and bringing in another mid season. I would expect they're all out of contract this Summer like Hughes himself so pay offs won't be too much of an issue. Much as I'm fed up with him I'm not sure its time to panic. I just dread the thought of us picking up enough points to be safe and Coates being stupid enough to give him a new contract because I can only see rinse and repeat of the last couple of seasons I can't see any sort of direction even towards improvement.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Oct 28, 2017 10:20:58 GMT
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 28, 2017 11:54:34 GMT
Very good article. Not the first of Rosenior's articles I read and really enjoyed.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2017 12:06:49 GMT
Whenever this happens I just hope that either Hughes or the new manager gets the backing to make improvements.
We desperately need players, shawcross got a back injury which will means he's going be absent at parts of the season. Zouma will be gone, we don't have either decent RB or LB so that needs addressing, our midfield lacks any steel or creativity, Fletcher is ageing, Crouch ageing, Jesé will be gone.
We need a great deal of backing and are the owners prepared to give it to the man in charge.
I'm sure it will cost far more to come back up than to stay up.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2017 12:13:11 GMT
Whenever this happens I just hope that either Hughes or the new manager gets the backing to make improvements. We desperately need players, shawcross got a back injury which will means he's going be absent at parts of the season. Zouma will be gone, we don't have either decent RB or LB so that needs addressing, our midfield lacks any steel or creativity, Fletcher is ageing, Crouch ageing, Jesé will be gone. We need a great deal of backing and are the owners prepared to give it to the man in charge. I'm sure it will cost far more to come back up than to stay up. The buys and loans of the summer seem very short term suggesting to me the chairman doesn't trust him with big money 😬
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Post by ohbottom on Oct 28, 2017 12:50:17 GMT
I wanted him gone in the summer but chose to get behind him when it became obvious he was getting a second chance. I'm now firmly back in the 'get rid' camp. The whole place is flat, it's not fun being a Stoke fan and the players look like they're going through the motions as well. A big defeat at Watford could lead to Leicester being his last game, I firmly believe that now. Well let's hope you're mate Tony has grown some balls around manager salary as big Sam is 4 x Hughes ,if he's in the panel I'll be looking at cheap replacements as the most likely , we could even break the mound and go for a on loan manager , "Break the mound". I don't know why but for some reason that phrase made me feel a bit icky.
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Post by milky on Oct 28, 2017 12:57:55 GMT
I don't think the result today will determine Hughes fate but the performance might.
If we look like a clueless ,disorganised and unmotivated mess then I cant see the point in postponing the inevitable...
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Post by wuzza on Oct 28, 2017 13:23:15 GMT
One of the issues is the back room staff. All of those will need paying off as well as replacing. I can think of only Dyche who comes with his entourage of coaches etc as a package. It's not just as easy as sacking one bloke and bringing in another mid season. I think this is very true - the owners will avoid a mid season move unless it is absolutely forced upon them (and I’m really not sure at what point that is but I doubt it’s anytime soon) .
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Post by kustokie on Oct 28, 2017 13:38:59 GMT
I don't think the result today will determine Hughes fate but the performance might. If we look like a clueless ,disorganised and unmotivated mess then I cant see the point in postponing the inevitable... I agree and we have looked like that for the past 2 years. I am having trouble understanding how he will turn it around in one week. But we live in hope. UTMP.
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Post by scfcwebby on Oct 28, 2017 13:40:00 GMT
One of the issues is the back room staff. All of those will need paying off as well as replacing. I can think of only Dyche who comes with his entourage of coaches etc as a package. It's not just as easy as sacking one bloke and bringing in another mid season. I think this is very true - the owners will avoid a mid season move unless it is absolutely forced upon them (and I’m really not sure at what point that is but I doubt it’s anytime soon) . Will they all be on one big contract? Surely we sack the manager and if Bowen, Eddy etc want to follow Hughes then they have to resign meaning no pay off? Or would there be a clause in there somewhere?
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Post by kustokie on Oct 28, 2017 13:41:27 GMT
One of the issues is the back room staff. All of those will need paying off as well as replacing. I can think of only Dyche who comes with his entourage of coaches etc as a package. It's not just as easy as sacking one bloke and bringing in another mid season. I think this is very true - the owners will avoid a mid season move unless it is absolutely forced upon them (and I’m really not sure at what point that is but I doubt it’s anytime soon) . The key is the players. If Hughes loses the dressing room, Coates will have no choice but to show him the door.
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Post by kustokie on Oct 28, 2017 13:43:51 GMT
I think this is very true - the owners will avoid a mid season move unless it is absolutely forced upon them (and I’m really not sure at what point that is but I doubt it’s anytime soon) . Will they all be on one big contract? Surely we sack the manager and if Bowen, Eddy etc want to follow Hughes then they have to resign meaning no pay off? Or would there be a clause in there somewhere? Who knows. Coates may make Bowen an offer he can’t refuse to stay on until the end of the season. That also depends on how Bowen is regarded by the players.
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Post by mozzer on Feb 11, 2018 23:19:58 GMT
There are quite a few football teams in the premier league that are nothing more than an advertising vehicle to carry the owners brand with Newcastle United, Manchester City and Stoke City being 3 of the worst contenders....... The Coates family Empire is riding firmly and squarely on the back of the Stoke City band wagon, all around the globe the Bet365 brand is more synonymous with Stoke City than any of our heritage, ex-players, our nickname or any past history associated with our great club, we have gone from being an unknown, unfashionable, lowly supported, under achieving, under invested basket case of a club to being part of one of the biggest, over hyped, financially rich, globally exported sporting brands on the planet, the premier league, the EPL the football gravy train what ever you prefer to call it. Although the money put in to the clubs by the respective owners is to our every day standards a huge payment/investment it is absolute peanuts to the corporate financiers and owners of these huge money making machines, with the money coming in on TV rights set against the owners investment required the returns are far more lucrative to enable the Bet365 (sports Direct or Etihad airways) brand to be beamed in to so many houses, pubs, restaurants, hotels and world wide establishments for so little cash.....this is why they have to sort it out. Lets make no bones about it, we are quite lucky that we have in an owner Peter Coates who is at heart a Stoke City Fan and no doubt he wants to see them succeed, Mike Ashley on the other hand is not a Newcastle fan and probably feels no where near the pain from seeing his club crash and burn like Peter Coats does but both men carry one common goal .... their needs and intentions with their respective clubs are business related and are nothing more than a very cost effective media outlet for their brand advertising front, for both men getting the Bet365/sports direct brand in to so many world wide establishments far out way their desire to see their respective clubs succeed as a football fan, Peter Coates is a very rich supporter who has one foot in both camps but I know which camp will be the most important to him and his families business empire. So who is to blame for the 2 years of complete dross, well as far as I can see MH has done his bit by keeping the team and ultimately the Bet365 brand in the Premier league and gaining that brand the exposure that it requires, so, have the owners played a dangerous game and backed Hughes just about far enough to maintain that exposure, have the owners decided that if they get the balance just right the investment will get that brand exposure and the fans will be happy if the club just remains in the Premier league hanging on by their finger nails, have the owners decided that we have been in this league long enough to become a fixture and the loan signings and free transfers will be enough to keep us in the league with success at finishing 14th being cheaper than the prize money vs the transfer kitty to finish 8th, well I know my place in this money rich league, 8th down to 14th will be our lot and to be honest I am happy with that if......... the journey through the season becomes acceptable, and from what I have witnessed that journey is currently a disgrace, our losses against the better teams away from home could very much be accepted but lets have some pride, lets have some talking points of a close game, how we may have sneaked that draw of even sneaked a win, the last two years have been a disgrace with some of the hammering's we have taken and as fans we have been totally blasé about it and taken it that we should be getting hammered, even though when we first arrived in this league we were the underdog, the little fish in the big pond, the unfashionable working class Stoke city everyone loved to hate, we once competed in this league with pride and determination, a game plan and an atmosphere that people respected......now where are we!! I am Stoke through and through and this hurts, I have no business connections with the club I am just a supporter ploughing my hard earned in to follow the team I love, it does not matter what bull shit spin is released by the club or the load of bollocks statements released in the name of Peter Coates to rally the troops and unify the support, it will get sorted one way or another, it has to for the ongoing good of the Bet365 empire and the low cost global exposure that it currently enjoys, hold on tight ladies and gentlemen because I have a feeling that this shower of shit will get a lot worse before it gets better but it has to get better and by getting better a one off win to take the heat off then lose the next 4 will not be good enough. Well I asked the question in October, it is now all coming home to roost they have fucked 8 years of a well run club in 2 years, pizza boys and their entourage have finally completed operation cluster fuck with style, not relegated yet but by fuck we are close
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Feb 12, 2018 9:32:58 GMT
They don't give a fuck imo.
10 years in the top flight, the plebs should be grateful.
They may be mostly stoke fans, but they're also rich and well off. They'll get over Stoke going down quickly.
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Post by kustokie on Feb 12, 2018 9:40:31 GMT
The Coates family know how to run a successful on-line gambling business, so they must understand the risk-reward equation. However, their skills in one field may not be transferable to another.
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Post by thevoid on Feb 12, 2018 9:42:09 GMT
I don't know what all the fuss is about.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 9:47:25 GMT
So..... If we win today and win against Leicester will MH be put to the sword or will the owners still need to act, Are two wins just papering over the cracks to hide the long term shambles that we have become and is a further blind step down the road that we have followed for the last 2 years Or Will it be a sign that MH has learned that his previous 2 years of tactics, team selection, signings and general attitude can no longer be tollerated and we have turned a corner. I would not like to be the current owners with this decision to make because both descions could be a wrong one and a massive gamble The perfect scenario is a turn around in results to get us safe then seriously take stock in the summer. Well that went well.
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Post by potterpaul on Feb 12, 2018 9:53:53 GMT
I haven't met anyone (who follows the PL) in Australia who associates Bet365 with Stoke City so I'm sorry to say the club needs them more than they need the club.
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