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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 18:28:05 GMT
Another failed manager after the result today? Was the question too difficult? What was your question? It looked like a statement to me Ok. Was the statement too difficult to comprehend? |
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Post by chonburipotter on Oct 22, 2017 18:34:28 GMT
What was your question? It looked like a statement to me Ok. Was the statement too difficult to comprehend? I find anything you say difficult to comprehend |
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 22, 2017 18:36:29 GMT
Would he come here, though? Why would he come here? Pulis has never been relegated, Hughes has never been relegated, Dyche has been relegated, so obviously it makes sense to appoint Dyche and sack the other two, why can't Peter Coates see the light? |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 22, 2017 18:54:41 GMT
Would he come here, though? Why would he come here? Yes. He's doing well where he is, so why come to Stoke? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 22, 2017 18:56:07 GMT
Does Peter actually have more of a say than John these days? I imagine they both still have to run all decisions past Denise anyway Denise isn't on the Board. And whilst things are not great at the moment the amount of disrespect on this forum is unbelievable. The board of directors will be well aware of the discontent in the stands but they also are not the type to pull any triggers at the first sign of danger. Don't think for one second that they won't take the necessary action if they need to and bring somebody new in they were well aware when Pulis time was up and I'm sure they are well on their way to making back up plans if Hughes was ready to go if I had to hazard a guess that he's got the next 4 games to save his job, but some of you really need to give your head a wobble suggesting that the Coates should leave I mean ffs we are stoke city a mid table premiership team that will have good and bad spells. I'm far from happy but the way some of you go on we should be taking 3 points from every game and threatening the top 4. Get real we are a mid table team and will be for a good long while yet we simply are not big enough to ever compete with the top 7/8 teams in this league. First sign of danger? This has been 18 months in the making!!!! |
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Post by miggoscfc on Oct 22, 2017 18:56:07 GMT
Denise isn't on the Board. And whilst things are not great at the moment the amount of disrespect on this forum is unbelievable. The board of directors will be well aware of the discontent in the stands but they also are not the type to pull any triggers at the first sign of danger. Don't think for one second that they won't take the necessary action if they need to and bring somebody new in they were well aware when Pulis time was up and I'm sure they are well on their way to making back up plans if Hughes was ready to go if I had to hazard a guess that he's got the next 4 games to save his job, but some of you really need to give your head a wobble suggesting that the Coates should leave I mean ffs we are stoke city a mid table premiership team that will have good and bad spells. I'm far from happy but the way some of you go on we should be taking 3 points from every game and threatening the top 4. Get real we are a mid table team and will be for a good long while yet we simply are not big enough to ever compete with the top 7/8 teams in this league. Pull any triggers at the First signs of danger....have you been living on the moon for the last 2 years, we are gash and have been running around like headless chickens for the last 2 years with no idea or game plan Yes I'm their week in week out thanks but I just understand premiership football and there will be ups and downs. We've had 10 years of reletive success with little in way of danger albeit we've had a few shit seasons of football here and their TP last season and last season under Hughes being the stand outs. This season we've played some of the big teams early and we are where many suggested we would be now although we've done well in the games we shouldn't have and dropped points in games we should have won. Yesterday was our lowest point yet but if you think the owners are going to sack the manger yet you're in dream land. Like I said these next 4 are massive we get anything less than what 5 points ? Then MH could well be on his way. They won't sack him until it's crystal clear he's lost his way and in some respects that's good given the trigger happy state that the PL has become. Changing managers every 12 months very rarely works and those wanting Dyche and Alladyce regardless of if they steady the ship will want them out next year when we don't progress. I'm level headed enough to know the size of our club is a mid table team that will finish 10-17th at the top end being a good season the bottom end being bad. That's just football in 2017 and no matter how much people winge and moan about it the best we can hope for is an outstanding 1 season run of cosistantcy such as West Brom, Leicester and Southampton have done recently. The owners won't get rid just yet. |
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 22, 2017 18:56:46 GMT
We were in the relegation zone after a few weeks into last season and this MB was screaming for Hughes to be sacked. Up to yesterday the team have achieved more points than most the knicker wetters predicted.
The club stuck by Hughes 12 months ago and finished in the mid table bunch, 2 points less than 8th place team. They are not going to take the huge gamble of changing manager when we already have one who has, until last season, managed a club into the top half of the table every full season he has been in charge.
We are near bottom, but we are also only a few points from the top half. The board will stick with Hughes and give him what help he needs.
IMO Hughes needs to hire an expert defensive coach, and Peter needs, if he hasn't already, to advise him to engage extra coaching staff, because whatever they are doing the last couple of seasons isn't working.
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Post by chonburipotter on Oct 22, 2017 19:05:44 GMT
We were in the relegation zone after a few weeks into last season and this MB was screaming for Hughes to be sacked. Up to yesterday the team have achieved more points than most the knicker wetters predicted. The club stuck by Hughes 12 months ago and finished in the mid table bunch, 2 points less than 8th place team. They are not going to take the huge gamble of changing manager when we already have one who has, until last season, managed a club into the top half of the table every full season he has been in charge. We are near bottom, but we are also only a few points from the top half. The board will stick with Hughes and give him what help he needs. IMO Hughes needs to hire an expert defensive coach, and Peter needs, if he hasn't already, to advise him to engage extra coaching staff, because whatever they are doing the last couple of seasons isn't working. When do you think the board will start giving him the help he needs? If he needs help why hasn’t he been given it already? |
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Post by premiershipteamfor10years on Oct 22, 2017 19:18:16 GMT
It looks like the great master plan of self sufficiency is not going to work. I think the owners have been far too blasé and have and assumed good old Stoke will still be able to maintain our premier league status.
In my opinion, they have had their heads in the sand for a while, as our trajectory has been heading southwards for a while now.
A big change is needed starting with a new management team this week, before things get any worse.
The tactics, man management and team selection and set up has been woeful for a while.
I think Big Sam is the one I would go for to sort this mess out. Then over time I would look to change the direction of transfer policy asap.
If the investment isn't forthcoming maybe the owners should look to step aside as well sadly.
If the owners do want to remain in charge, then I would look to move Scholes and Cartwright on as things really need freshening up.
Unfortunately I think this is going to take a few more weeks before the owners will change the manager and by that time we will be in a real mess by then.
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Post by miggoscfc on Oct 22, 2017 19:24:21 GMT
It looks like the great master plan of self sufficiency is not going to work. I think the owners have been far too blasé and have and assumed good old Stoke will still be able to maintain our premier league status. In my opinion, they have had their heads in the sand for a while, as our trajectory has been heading southwards for a while now. A big change is needed starting with a new management team this week, before things get any worse. The tactics, man management and team selection and set up has been woeful for a while. I think Big Sam is the one I would go for to sort this mess out. Then over time I would look to change the direction of transfer policy asap. If the investment isn't forthcoming maybe the owners should look to step aside as well sadly. If the owners do want to remain in charge, then I would look to move Scholes and Cartwright on as things really need freshening up. Unfortunately I think this is going to take a few more weeks before the owners will change the manager and by that time we will be in a real mess by then. Or with 1 win could be in a better position than we finished in last season. |
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Post by viewfromthecrowsnest on Oct 22, 2017 19:37:53 GMT
You could definitely see the attraction for them. English - tick Proven in the top two divisions - tick More importantly... Spends next to nothing - a net spend of around 28M over the last 4 seasons - around 7M a season. They'd love him here. Certain sections of the fan base would love him also - an absolute hoofer who has 20 odd percent possession a game and 2 shots on target. They'd lap it up. I wouldn't say no to Dyche though he's not the most attractive option. I just don't look at him as an option because he's a bit more traditional / loyal and I don't think he's just leave Burnley on a whim until his contract is up. Especially to a club like us. Dyche is a rich mans pulis and a poor mans Allardyce. Burnley are soild, if you think solid is entertaining then we are not really any better off ... |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 22, 2017 19:41:28 GMT
I wouldn't say no to Dyche though he's not the most attractive option. I just don't look at him as an option because he's a bit more traditional / loyal and I don't think he's just leave Burnley on a whim until his contract is up. Especially to a club like us. Dyche is a rich mans pulis and a poor mans Allardyce. Burnley are soild, if you think solid is entertaining then we are not really any better off ... We don't need entertaining though. We need staying in the Premier League. Then entertainment. |
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Post by leicspotter on Oct 22, 2017 19:43:45 GMT
ABS - "anyone but sam"...just don't like him and really don't want him at Stoke
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Post by mozzer on Oct 22, 2017 19:44:34 GMT
I still think Hughes could do a job, but unfortunately not in his present frame of mind, he needs help such as a defensive coach.....things 100% have to change but I am not sure what but change is urgently required
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 22, 2017 19:50:48 GMT
I know it's all doom and gloom at the minute but I was bored when the Mrs was watching Strictly so I looked up the corresponding results from last season against our first nine opponents this season (substituting Boro for Newcastle) and believe it or not we're actually 3 points better off against those same opponents this season. Not saying everything in the garden is rosy, it clearly isn't. Just thought I'd add a bit of perspective and perhaps St Peter was bored during Strictly too  |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 22, 2017 19:53:54 GMT
I know it's all doom and gloom at the minute but I was bored when the Mrs was watching Strictly so I looked up the corresponding results from last season against our first nine opponents this season (substituting Boro for Newcastle) and believe it or not we're actually 3 points better off against those same opponents this season. Not saying everything in the garden is rosy, it clearly isn't. Just thought I'd add a bit of perspective and perhaps St Peter was bored during Strictly too He should have been sacked after last season. It really adds nowt! 😂😉 |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 22, 2017 19:59:32 GMT
I know it's all doom and gloom at the minute but I was bored when the Mrs was watching Strictly so I looked up the corresponding results from last season against our first nine opponents this season (substituting Boro for Newcastle) and believe it or not we're actually 3 points better off against those same opponents this season. Not saying everything in the garden is rosy, it clearly isn't. Just thought I'd add a bit of perspective and perhaps St Peter was bored during Strictly too He should have been sacked after last season. It really adds nowt! 😂😉 Never said it did. Just thought it was an interesting stat and possibly one St Peter might take into account when deciding whether to pull the trigger. Clearly didn't pass the Bayern credibility test. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 22, 2017 20:04:16 GMT
He should have been sacked after last season. It really adds nowt! 😂😉 Never said it did. Just thought it was an interesting stat and possibly one St Peter might take into account when deciding whether to pull the trigger. Clearly didn't pass the Bayern credibility test. I think we could have lost yesterday by 4/5 and he wouldn't really give a shit. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 22, 2017 20:06:49 GMT
Never said it did. Just thought it was an interesting stat and possibly one St Peter might take into account when deciding whether to pull the trigger. Clearly didn't pass the Bayern credibility test. I think we could have lost yesterday by 4/5 and he wouldn't really give a shit. Who? Coates or Hughes? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 22, 2017 20:08:32 GMT
I think we could have lost yesterday by 4/5 and he wouldn't really give a shit. Who? Coates or Hughes? Coates. He's sticking no matter what. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 22, 2017 20:13:02 GMT
Coates. He's sticking no matter what. You're wrong. I think he might give a shit about losing 4 or 5. You're right in that that single defeat won't influence his decision. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 22, 2017 20:16:28 GMT
Coates. He's sticking no matter what. You're wrong. I think he might give a shit about losing 4 or 5. You're right in that that single defeat won't influence his decision. But it's been 18 months of utter bilge to watch. 5 losses changes nothing unless you have seriously low standards. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 22, 2017 20:25:33 GMT
You're wrong. I think he might give a shit about losing 4 or 5. You're right in that that single defeat won't influence his decision. But it's been 18 months of utter bilge to watch. 5 losses changes nothing unless you have seriously low standards. I thought you were talking about a 4 or 5 goal loss yesterday not 4 or 5 losses. Either way I'm sure Peter Coates does give a shit. He's a fan at the end of the day. He's clearly not at the point of doing anything about it yet though. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 22, 2017 20:38:10 GMT
But it's been 18 months of utter bilge to watch. 5 losses changes nothing unless you have seriously low standards. I thought you were talking about a 4 or 5 goal loss yesterday not 4 or 5 losses. Either way I'm sure Peter Coates does give a shit. He's a fan at the end of the day. He's clearly not at the point of doing anything about it yet though. I was sorry and I really don't think it would bother him in the sense of getting rid of Hughes. They're backing him to the point where there is no pressure on him. This is the result. I think PC is fast becoming part of the problem. |
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Post by viewfromthecrowsnest on Oct 22, 2017 20:41:37 GMT
Dyche is a rich mans pulis and a poor mans Allardyce. Burnley are soild, if you think solid is entertaining then we are not really any better off ... We don't need entertaining though. We need staying in the Premier League. Then entertainment. We don’t need entertaining? Then what is the cause of all the gloomy words on this board? And mate, there’s no way are we going down. Following the ups and downs of SCFC are enough entertainment for me! |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 22, 2017 20:43:30 GMT
We don't need entertaining though. We need staying in the Premier League. Then entertainment. We don’t need entertaining? Then what is the cause of all the gloomy words on this board? And mate, there’s no way are we going down. Following the ups and downs of SCFC are enough entertainment for me! Why is there no way we're going down? Entertainment is the long term goal but at the minute merely being organised, having a system and a team to believe in will do. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 22, 2017 20:45:25 GMT
I thought you were talking about a 4 or 5 goal loss yesterday not 4 or 5 losses. Either way I'm sure Peter Coates does give a shit. He's a fan at the end of the day. He's clearly not at the point of doing anything about it yet though. I was sorry and I really don't think it would bother him in the sense of getting rid of Hughes. They're backing him to the point where there is no pressure on him. This is the result. I think PC is fast becoming part of the problem. It's hard to say without knowing the workings of the inner circle at Stoke at the moment. Which none of us do. You could be right. You could just as easily be wrong. |
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Post by johnnypotter on Oct 22, 2017 22:22:40 GMT
I can cope with our final league positions in the PL as we are never going to win it. But the cups are another thing completely. I was ten when we won in 72.
I can accept getting beaten in the cups by the top 6, but the last two seasons, the defeats last year by Hull City and Wolves reserves, followed by Bristol City reserves this year really pisses me off. The last two seasons has seen the management declare ''WE WANT TO WIN A CUP'' how the fuck are supposed to win such cups when we fail against such opposition.
Last week I was told I had embarrassed myself by accusing Hughes of not showing any passion [Which is something that has amused me all week] in his post match interviews.
I firmly believe the old adage in football that a team mirrors its manager. I stand by the belief that a dour, laid back, couldn't care less attitude by the manager transmits itself to the players on the pitch.
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Post by swampySCFC on Oct 22, 2017 22:28:10 GMT
There are quite a few football teams in the premier league that are nothing more than an advertising vehicle to carry the owners brand with Newcastle United, Manchester City and Stoke City being 3 of the worst contenders....... The Coates family Empire is riding firmly and squarely on the back of the Stoke City band wagon, all around the globe the Bet365 brand is more synonymous with Stoke City than any of our heritage, ex-players, our nickname or any past history associated with our great club, we have gone from being an unknown, unfashionable, lowly supported, under achieving, under invested basket case of a club to being part of one of the biggest, over hyped, financially rich, globally exported sporting brands on the planet, the premier league, the EPL the football gravy train what ever you prefer to call it. Although the money put in to the clubs by the respective owners is to our every day standards a huge payment/investment it is absolute peanuts to the corporate financiers and owners of these huge money making machines, with the money coming in on TV rights set against the owners investment required the returns are far more lucrative to enable the Bet365 (sports Direct or Etihad airways) brand to be beamed in to so many houses, pubs, restaurants, hotels and world wide establishments for so little cash.....this is why they have to sort it out. Lets make no bones about it, we are quite lucky that we have in an owner Peter Coates who is at heart a Stoke City Fan and no doubt he wants to see them succeed, Mike Ashley on the other hand is not a Newcastle fan and probably feels no where near the pain from seeing his club crash and burn like Peter Coats does but both men carry one common goal .... their needs and intentions with their respective clubs are business related and are nothing more than a very cost effective media outlet for their brand advertising front, for both men getting the Bet365/sports direct brand in to so many world wide establishments far out way their desire to see their respective clubs succeed as a football fan, Peter Coates is a very rich supporter who has one foot in both camps but I know which camp will be the most important to him and his families business empire. So who is to blame for the 2 years of complete dross, well as far as I can see MH has done his bit by keeping the team and ultimately the Bet365 brand in the Premier league and gaining that brand the exposure that it requires, so, have the owners played a dangerous game and backed Hughes just about far enough to maintain that exposure, have the owners decided that if they get the balance just right the investment will get that brand exposure and the fans will be happy if the club just remains in the Premier league hanging on by their finger nails, have the owners decided that we have been in this league long enough to become a fixture and the loan signings and free transfers will be enough to keep us in the league with success at finishing 14th being cheaper than the prize money vs the transfer kitty to finish 8th, well I know my place in this money rich league, 8th down to 14th will be our lot and to be honest I am happy with that if......... the journey through the season becomes acceptable, and from what I have witnessed that journey is currently a disgrace, our losses against the better teams away from home could very much be accepted but lets have some pride, lets have some talking points of a close game, how we may have sneaked that draw of even sneaked a win, the last two years have been a disgrace with some of the hammering's we have taken and as fans we have been totally blasé about it and taken it that we should be getting hammered, even though when we first arrived in this league we were the underdog, the little fish in the big pond, the unfashionable working class Stoke city everyone loved to hate, we once competed in this league with pride and determination, a game plan and an atmosphere that people respected......now where are we!! I am Stoke through and through and this hurts, I have no business connections with the club I am just a supporter ploughing my hard earned in to follow the team I love, it does not matter what bull shit spin is released by the club or the load of bollocks statements released in the name of Peter Coates to rally the troops and unify the support, it will get sorted one way or another, it has to for the ongoing good of the Bet365 empire and the low cost global exposure that it currently enjoys, hold on tight ladies and gentlemen because I have a feeling that this shower of shit will get a lot worse before it gets better but it has to get better and by getting better a one off win to take the heat off then lose the next 4 will not be good enough. Well we had all that under Pulis didn't we. A cup final and Europe as well. Its not over complicated is it? |
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Post by thevoid on Oct 22, 2017 23:44:26 GMT
Would he come here, though? Why would he come here? It's that kind of mentality that holds us back. It's a malaise that's spread from top to bottom. I'm sick of this 'little old Stoke' crap, we're being outperformed and outspent by clubs no bigger than ourselves, some of whom were two divisions lower than us not that long ago. |
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