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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 22, 2017 8:54:16 GMT
How many of the names on it are 1) Realistic 2) An upgrade? Marco Silva would have been a massive upgrade as it turns out. The club at all levels has had its head in the sand about the past two years as people bark '9th, 9th, 9th' that we are going to have to take a risk. You ask who is an upgrade, you could easily ask who would be much of a downgrade on the absolute dross we're being served up currently?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 22, 2017 8:56:02 GMT
How many of the names on it are 1) Realistic 2) An upgrade? Marco Silva would have been a massive upgrade as it turns out. The club at all levels has had its head in the sand about the past two years as people bark '9th, 9th, 9th' that we are going to have to take a risk. You ask who is an upgrade, you could easily ask who would be much of a downgrade on the absolute dross we're being served up currently? I asked relating specifically to the OP’s list Sheiky.
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Post by stokeoptimist on Oct 22, 2017 9:00:10 GMT
There are no alternatives because big Sam will go to Leicester and anyone else is a gamble that will see us relegated. No way Coates will pull the trigger anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 9:00:16 GMT
How many of the names on it are 1) Realistic 2) An upgrade? He's named four blokes that aren't even managers unless I've missed summat. I'd take Rowett out of that list and I'd also take Allardyce.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 22, 2017 9:02:03 GMT
How many of the names on it are 1) Realistic 2) An upgrade? He's named four blokes that aren't even managers unless I've missed summat. I'd take Rowett out of that list and I'd also take Allardyce. If you’d just take two out of the list then it rather does suggest a lack of quality doesn’t it? Rowett is a bit negative for my tastes.
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Post by professorplump on Oct 22, 2017 9:04:20 GMT
I think Coates shortlist would be Allardyce, Moyes, Pardew and Coleman - all experienced British managers and none would involve having to pay out compensation. I think he might also be interested in Koeman or Bilic if they become available. Tuchel has already ruled himself out of the Leicester job so I can't see him wanting to come to Stoke. Benitez is not going to leave Newcastle because their impending takeover will leave him with a much bigger transfer budget than Stoke could offer.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Oct 22, 2017 9:04:28 GMT
Marcelino García Toral - Valencia - contract to Aug 2018 Domenico Tedesco - Schalke June 2019 - young manager onthe rise Dieter Hecking - BMG - loads of experience. Good cup runs and reasonable finishes Rui Vitória - Benfica probably out of our league!
Ok maybe a bit pie in the sky but these are just 4 I looked at randomly - the club just need to do their homework, make approaches in the right way and make the right offers of salary, scope and funding......another Mike Bassett will get us knowhere different.....
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Post by maninasuitcase on Oct 22, 2017 9:04:53 GMT
One excuse trotted out not to replace the clearly clueless and casual Hughes, is that there are no replacements available, So here’s a shortlist to start with. Feel free to add others: Giggs - NO Rowett - YES Pardew - DEAR GOD NO Allardyce - LAST RESORT Tuchel - YES BUT WOULD NEVER COME Laudrup - YES Moyes - NO Coleman - ABSOLUTELY NO Mazzarri - NO Blanc - WOULD NEVER COME HERE Shearer - NO Shakespeare - FFS NO Phelan - NO Crooks - SOMEONE'S TAKING THE PISS although as others have pointed out, maybe Adam could step up?
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Post by clarkeda on Oct 22, 2017 9:04:55 GMT
Should have gone for silva when we had the chance. Could we tempt clement? Ditto Benitez? I’d take Rowett however I think it’s 1/2 years too early, if he gets derby up and stays for the year he’d be an option. At that point, why would he need us? Sorry I’m not following?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 22, 2017 9:06:51 GMT
If Hughes were to go to would be big fat Sam who would be the first choice replacement.
If he wouldn't come, genuinely, I could see he who cannot be mentioned coming back for a third stint at the helm.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 22, 2017 9:07:57 GMT
Marco Silva would have been a massive upgrade as it turns out. The club at all levels has had its head in the sand about the past two years as people bark '9th, 9th, 9th' that we are going to have to take a risk. You ask who is an upgrade, you could easily ask who would be much of a downgrade on the absolute dross we're being served up currently? I asked relating specifically to the OP’s list Sheiky. I don't think that's the real list is it, rob? There's a safe pair of hands, 'Coates previous MO' list of which Sam is clearly the best candidate and I would hope there's a bit more of a 'punt' list with overseas names on it and the likes of Jokanović on it. I sincerely hope these things are being looked at it as I could easily see us going into Palace away with no more points on the board.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Oct 22, 2017 9:08:09 GMT
Pellegrini please
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 22, 2017 9:10:01 GMT
The new manager would have to better 9th, I don't think many top managers would fancy that with Stoke.
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Post by sportsman on Oct 22, 2017 9:10:43 GMT
Most of those wanting Hughes out are quietning down this morning, realising the list of possible options is, well scary.
I'm open to whatever is best for the club. Some are plucking out names without even thinking beyond about 3 months.
Rowett? Can you imagine someone like him trying to attract the players we would like? The only bright spot at the moment is hoping for a bit of magic from shakiri, or jese etc. Would rowett have attracted them?
Me personally, I'd demand a defensive coach brought in to drill the back line on their own. Run the fuckers into the ground until they're like a well oiled machine. A Tony Adams, tery butcher or whoever defensive coach.
When Fergie was at man utd for 26 years he always changed one of his coaching staff every 3 or so years to keep it fresh. For this season if I was Coates, I'd insist on it. Let the others get on with the rest of the team. A solid base and you've got a chance. At the moment we're too easy to cut open.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 22, 2017 9:11:24 GMT
I asked relating specifically to the OP’s list Sheiky. I don't think that's the real list is it, rob? There's a safe pair of hands, 'Coates previous MO' list of which Sam is clearly the best candidate and I would hope there's a bit more of a 'punt' list with overseas names on it and the likes of Jokanović on it. I sincerely hope these things are being looked at it as I could easily see us going into Palace away with no more points on the board. I would hope it’s not mate, but at no stage have I said there’s no alternative - there’s 5-6 decent options that spring to mind and if it has to be British then Allardyce is the obvious choice. If someone’s claiming Mike Phelan’s availability is proof that ‘there are other options out there though’, Jesus Christ...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 9:13:45 GMT
He's named four blokes that aren't even managers unless I've missed summat. I'd take Rowett out of that list and I'd also take Allardyce. If you’d just take two out of the list then it rather does suggest a lack of quality doesn’t it? Rowett is a bit negative for my tastes. It does from his list yeah but has he named every single manager in world football on his list that could potentially come into our club? That was my point.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 22, 2017 9:13:52 GMT
The new manager would have to better 9th, I don't think many top managers would fancy that with Stoke. I don’t think it’s quite that simple Geoff. He’d just need to keep the team up and show signs of improvement over the dross we’ve been serving up for ages. At least during the initial honeymoon period. I’d thought Hughes himself was showing signs of that but recently we’ve reverted to the very worst of last season’s mess. Think I’d give him the next month of winnable games but if he loses those his position will surely be close to untenable.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 9:14:11 GMT
How about Steve Bould whose been Wenger’s No2 for sometime and of course he’s a Stokie.
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Post by madeinthepotteries on Oct 22, 2017 9:14:47 GMT
If that's the list then Allardyce is a better option than all of them. He would keep us up, which would be the best outcome this season seeing how it's gone so far
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 22, 2017 9:15:04 GMT
If you’d just take two out of the list then it rather does suggest a lack of quality doesn’t it? Rowett is a bit negative for my tastes. It does from his list yeah but has he named every single manager in world football on his list that could potentially come into our club? That was my point. Fair point. In terms of availability and what the owners are likely to go for, I think it’s a pretty short list in terms of quality though.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 22, 2017 9:15:38 GMT
How about Steve Bould whose been Wenger’s No2 for sometime and of course he’s a Stokie. To we really want to hand over an unbalanced squad and a potential relegation battle to a novice?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 9:16:13 GMT
Homer Simpson would be a better alternative at present
Even Moyes, yes Moyes
Pardew - loathsome cunt of a bloke but even he would improve things
Who are we now? We don't know if we're Arthur or Martha
No identity
No direction
No idea
No soul
Like fucking zombies casually drifting towards relegation
Hughes has lost me now
If he won the fa cup and the league I still wouldn't rate him
We need an overhaul, a complete rebuild
If we were a car we wouldn't pass the mot
Rip it up and start again
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Post by marshy on Oct 22, 2017 9:16:36 GMT
I'm surprised No one has said Brendan Rodgers. His record is better than most
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 22, 2017 9:17:29 GMT
The new manager would have to better 9th, I don't think many top managers would fancy that with Stoke. I don’t think it’s quite that simple Geoff. He’d just need to keep the team up and show signs of improvement over the dross we’ve been serving up for ages. At least during the initial honeymoon period. I’d thought Hughes himself was showing signs of that but recently we’ve reverted to the very worst of last season’s mess. Think I’d give him the next month of winnable games but if he loses those his position will surely be close to untenable. He would have to better 9th, performances always come second to results.
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Post by chuckrocky on Oct 22, 2017 9:17:36 GMT
How about showing some ambition and going for someone like Julian Nagelsmann. Half our squad are older than him which might put the owners off but he’s the type of manager i’d like to see us go for.
Maybe slightly unrealistic but we could at least ask the question.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 9:19:19 GMT
It does from his list yeah but has he named every single manager in world football on his list that could potentially come into our club? That was my point. Fair point. In terms of availability and what the owners are likely to go for, I think it’s a pretty short list in terms of quality though. It keeps going back to what the owners will go for and that is the most frustrating part for me in all of this. Lack of ambition.
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Post by lordb on Oct 22, 2017 9:19:39 GMT
Trying to think of options that are realistic and not absolutely horrible, I've so far got: Allardyce Jokanovic Galtier (ex St Etienne, now clubless) Michael O'Neill Wagner (long shot) You can rule out managers who not managed in the Premier League. Not convinced Allardyce wants a club job again. Pardew,Moyes or stick with Hughes. Horrible isn't it.
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Post by sportsman on Oct 22, 2017 9:20:55 GMT
Homer Simpson would be a better alternative at present Even Moyes, yes Moyes Pardew - loathsome cunt of a bloke but even he would improve things Who are we now? We don't know if we're Arthur or Martha No identity No direction No idea No soul Like fucking zombies casually drifting towards relegation Hughes has lost me now If he won the fa cup and the league I still wouldn't rate him We need an overhaul, a complete rebuild If we were a car we wouldn't pass the mot Rip it up and start again Moyes!! The more people are trying come up with names, the more quieter it's getting on here. There really is little option other than a gamble. Read my post above.
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Post by superheroantonius on Oct 22, 2017 9:21:07 GMT
He should have gone in the summer and been replaced by one of .... Marco Silva ,Chris hughton, David Wagner or Rafa . They were the outstanding candidates , men whose time to shine had come
We absolutely have to avoid yesterday's men ...allardyce Moyes redknapp ( and I really like Harry redknapp ,proper football man )
As for today ...any of Sean dysche , David Wagner or Chris Wilder would be great .They know what they are doing and it's their time to shine.
The problem we have made for ourselves with not moving in the summer is because Wagner and dysche have spent the summer spending their sky tv cash on proper footballers instead of the likes of wimmer , you have to wonder why they would come here . We know now if we had bought in dysche we would have had Chris woods up front instead of berahino ( I think I can live with that !) But the lad is at the wrong club now .
It has to be someone who knows what they are doing and is on the up
Any of dysche Wagner or Wilder would be brilliant
Rowett would be okay and might do well
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Post by lordb on Oct 22, 2017 9:21:58 GMT
Most of those wanting Hughes out are quietning down this morning, realising the list of possible options is, well scary. I'm open to whatever is best for the club. Some are plucking out names without even thinking beyond about 3 months. Rowett? Can you imagine someone like him trying to attract the players we would like? The only bright spot at the moment is hoping for a bit of magic from shakiri, or jese etc. Would rowett have attracted them? Me personally, I'd demand a defensive coach brought in to drill the back line on their own. Run the fuckers into the ground until they're like a well oiled machine. A Tony Adams, tery butcher or whoever defensive coach. When Fergie was at man utd for 26 years he always changed one of his coaching staff every 3 or so years to keep it fresh. For this season if I was Coates, I'd insist on it. Let the others get on with the rest of the team. A solid base and you've got a chance. At the moment we're too easy to cut open. Freshening up the coaching is a good idea, Pulis did it. Can't see Hughes doing it.
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