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Post by Trouserdog on Oct 24, 2017 18:12:46 GMT
I am dealing with the simple result of a poll, you are putting a different interpretation on the result which has not been proven.
Geoff this is what Matt's opening post on the poll asked for people to do:
Vote here if you think we should keep Hughes or change
Vote to keep Hughes or change And more than 70% voted to change. When the big font and underlining comes out you know patience is starting to wear thin... ???
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 24, 2017 18:12:52 GMT
They don't like the result, that's the problem. What phraseology on the poll question would you like, Geoff? I'll stick your chosen poll question up. I think we should run a poll first on Hughes or Allardyce.
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Post by jezzascfc on Oct 24, 2017 18:14:23 GMT
What phraseology on the poll question would you like, Geoff? I'll stick your chosen poll question up. I think we should run a poll first on Hughes or Allardyce. But many of us who think Hughes' time is up do not want Allardyce as his replacement! If anything right now, it should just be should Hughes stay or go.
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Post by Gods on Oct 24, 2017 19:12:15 GMT
The polls suggest that 70/30 folks want Mr. Hughes gone but there is no consensus over his replacement. That is perfectly normal in such a situation. For example in the Tory leadership challenge when Mrs Thatcher was ousted the votes went like this in the first ballot Thatcher 204 54.8% Heseltine 152 40.9% Abstentions - the rest Thatcher considered 54.8% of the vote as a huge vote of 'no confidence' and resigned, Heseltine proved to be a stalking horse and it was John Major who won who did not come in until the next ballot. No, the poll asked who do you want for the next manager and Hughes was top of the poll amongst posters on here, deal with it. Geoff, there is nothing for me to 'deal with', however if I was the incumbent manager with only 30% support among my own fan base I would seriously start considering my options. I say that as someone who voted 'Remain' and for Hughes in the polls.
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Post by lordb on Oct 24, 2017 19:16:48 GMT
I see Pellegrino has said he will only take a Premier League job if the club is in Europe.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 24, 2017 19:22:35 GMT
And just for Geoff.....
A whopping 5% of voters are willing to give him more than 4 games.
72% want him gone now.
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Post by Gods on Oct 24, 2017 19:23:35 GMT
I see Pellegrino has said he will only take a Premier League job if the club is in Europe. Brexit is not until March 2019.
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 24, 2017 19:40:04 GMT
No, the poll asked who do you want for the next manager and Hughes was top of the poll amongst posters on here, deal with it. Geoff, there is nothing for me to 'deal with', however if I was the incumbent manager with only 30% support among my own fan base I would seriously start considering my options. I say that as someone who voted 'Remain' and for Hughes in the polls. Let me come at this in another way. If the poll contains the names of 9 managers, who would never come to Stoke, and those managers poll 38% of the vote then the poll is misleading the voters. Of course you could claim that if Benitez for instance would replace Hughes then many fans would want Hughes out, but he never will. So the only way to conduct a poll of this sort is with names of managers who would be likely to join Stoke and of course because of Peter Coates they would have had to have PL experience. The only way you could construct a proper poll of this sort is to give people the stark choice with names like Allardyce. Moyes, O'Neill, Pulis and a few more. You would then have to word the thing correctly such as, " Do you want Mark Hughes to remain as manager or be replaced by one of the following names." I'm rambling but do you get the point.
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Post by Gods on Oct 24, 2017 19:52:42 GMT
Geoff, there is nothing for me to 'deal with', however if I was the incumbent manager with only 30% support among my own fan base I would seriously start considering my options. I say that as someone who voted 'Remain' and for Hughes in the polls. Let me come at this in another way. If the poll contains the names of 9 managers, who would never come to Stoke, and those managers poll 38% of the vote then the poll is misleading the voters. Of course you could claim that if Benitez for instance would replace Hughes then many fans would want Hughes out, but he never will. So the only way to conduct a poll of this sort is with names of managers who would be likely to join Stoke and of course because of Peter Coates they would have had to have PL experience. The only way you could construct a proper poll of this sort is to give people the stark choice with names like Allardyce. Moyes, O'Neill, Pulis and a few more. You would then have to word the thing correctly such as, " Do you want Mark Hughes to remain as manager or be replaced by one of the following names." I'm rambling but do you get the point. Yes I do get that point. The other way I think you could legitimately question the polls we have is that given the fickle nature of football fans is it balanced to ask the question immediately after a 7-2 rinsing and a defeat at home against a team that hadn't won away since records began but unfortunately that's exactly the time at which these questions are asked. You'd have got a different answer immediately after the Arsenal or Man United games. It's the job of the board to take a more balanced mid-term view. But for sure there is a consensus that our metaphorical roof has been shedding tiles since about February 2016 and its close to caving in!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 19:53:34 GMT
One word ------ Rowett
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 24, 2017 20:03:18 GMT
Let me come at this in another way. If the poll contains the names of 9 managers, who would never come to Stoke, and those managers poll 38% of the vote then the poll is misleading the voters. Of course you could claim that if Benitez for instance would replace Hughes then many fans would want Hughes out, but he never will. So the only way to conduct a poll of this sort is with names of managers who would be likely to join Stoke and of course because of Peter Coates they would have had to have PL experience. The only way you could construct a proper poll of this sort is to give people the stark choice with names like Allardyce. Moyes, O'Neill, Pulis and a few more. You would then have to word the thing correctly such as, " Do you want Mark Hughes to remain as manager or be replaced by one of the following names." I'm rambling but do you get the point. Yes I do get that point. The other way I think you could legitimately question the polls we have is that given the fickle nature of football fans is it balanced to ask the question immediately after a 7-2 rinsing and a defeat at home against a team that hadn't won away since records began but unfortunately that's exactly the time at which these questions are asked. You'd have got a different answer immediately after the Arsenal or Man United games. It's the job of the board to take a more balanced mid-term view. But for sure there is a consensus that our metaphorical roof has been shedding tiles since about February 2016 and its close to caving in! I think Hughes will be sacked especially if he suffers a bad defeat against Watford. Peter Coates will need to get the right man and if possible someone who the fans like, he just cannot afford to make a mistake. I bet Hughes feels like he's bleeding in the ocean surrounded by sharks, it's all pretty nasty to see after his earlier achievements.
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Post by yamyampotter on Oct 24, 2017 20:09:00 GMT
Giggs would be a progressive appointment if a slight risk. Must have a huge contact list, understands the game, played at highest level, point to prove.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 20:13:46 GMT
Giggs would be a progressive appointment if a slight risk. Must have a huge contact list, understands the game, played at highest level, point to prove. Giggs is untried and untested.....genius if it pays off, lunacy if it fails 😬
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 24, 2017 20:14:09 GMT
Giggs would be a progressive appointment if a slight risk. Must have a huge contact list, understands the game, played at highest level, point to prove. I don’t see any evidence that he’d be progressive. His experience amounts to putting the cones out for David Moyes and LVG. He thinks he’s too good to manage in the lower leagues but didn’t impress in his Swansea interview. He’s no Gary Neville on the analysis side of things either. Playing at the highest level doesn’t count for a whole lot in management.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 20:15:43 GMT
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 24, 2017 20:18:20 GMT
Giggs would be a progressive appointment if a slight risk. Must have a huge contact list, understands the game, played at highest level, point to prove. I don’t see any evidence that he’d be progressive. His experience amounts to putting the cones out for David Moyes and LVG. He thinks he’s too good to manage in the lower leagues but didn’t impress in his Swansea interview. He’s no Gary Neville on the analysis side of things either. Playing at the highest level doesn’t count for a whole lot in management. Tell that to Zidane...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 20:29:13 GMT
Giggs would be a progressive appointment if a slight risk. Must have a huge contact list, understands the game, played at highest level, point to prove. Giggs is untried and untested.....genius if it pays off, lunacy if it fails 😬 I agree give Giggs the job if we get relegated
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Oct 24, 2017 20:29:33 GMT
I know I'm in a serious minority but I'd give him the next 4 games to turn it around. Think the man deserves that.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 24, 2017 20:32:25 GMT
I don’t see any evidence that he’d be progressive. His experience amounts to putting the cones out for David Moyes and LVG. He thinks he’s too good to manage in the lower leagues but didn’t impress in his Swansea interview. He’s no Gary Neville on the analysis side of things either. Playing at the highest level doesn’t count for a whole lot in management. Tell that to Zidane... Zidane is, for all he’s a hothead, a very intelligent man. And he’d been managing the B side. Bit more advanced than making LVG’s tea.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 20:36:57 GMT
BILIC is about to be sacked.
Would jump at a chance to restore his reputation.
I think he's a super manager with an impossible job at that place
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Post by jezzascfc on Oct 24, 2017 20:37:44 GMT
If we are going down the top ex-pro route (which I am not convinced we should, in any event), surely our very own Steve Bould should be worthy of consideration? He has been assistant at a top club (don't snigger!) for many years and seen it all, and should come home with some interesting ideas which may have rubbed off on him by sitting next to Le Professeur every week.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 20:38:47 GMT
BILIC is about to be sacked. Would jump at a chance to restore his reputation. I think he's a super manager with an impossible job at that place Whereas we'd be a doddle 😬😇
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 24, 2017 20:39:28 GMT
BILIC is about to be sacked. Would jump at a chance to restore his reputation. I think he's a super manager with an impossible job at that place His teams can’t defend.
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Post by yamyampotter on Oct 24, 2017 20:46:18 GMT
If we are going down the top ex-pro route (which I am not convinced we should, in any event), surely our very own Steve Bould should be worthy of consideration? He has been assistant at a top club (don't snigger!) for many years and seen it all, and should come home with some interesting ideas which may have rubbed off on him by sitting next to Le Professeur every week. Hasn’t proved to work to badly for Barca in the past...
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Post by stokemark on Oct 24, 2017 20:53:09 GMT
I'm in the 'give him 4 games camp' only because the alternatives dont bear thinking about
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 20:57:08 GMT
BILIC is about to be sacked. Would jump at a chance to restore his reputation. I think he's a super manager with an impossible job at that place His teams can’t defend. We won't find a perfect manager. He'd do well here for a few seasons
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 24, 2017 21:04:05 GMT
We won't find a perfect manager. He'd do well here for a few seasons He’s not even close to being a perfect manager. Everywhere he goes he starts well and then dramatically tails off quite quickly thereafter. His organisational skills are even worse than Hughes’.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 24, 2017 21:11:09 GMT
My shortlist would be
Koeman Rowett Allerdyce Wilder
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 24, 2017 21:23:14 GMT
And just for Geoff..... A whopping 5% of voters are willing to give him more than 4 games. 72% want him gone now. Pisser, Twitter has spoken.
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Post by potter25 on Oct 24, 2017 21:26:46 GMT
Wilder good shout
He's been successful wherever he's been
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