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Post by Eggybread on Oct 24, 2017 15:00:58 GMT
Either we have been taken over by Vale fans or our fans are so fucking thick.Nearly 30% want to keep Hughes
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 24, 2017 15:01:23 GMT
Christ almighty.
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 24, 2017 15:10:44 GMT
Hughes won the poll - fact. That's how polls work. However, it's a bullshit poll because it's not appropriate to the subject matter. The majority who 'voted' want Hughes gone, there just isn't a consensus of opinion on his successor. Of course it's appropriate to the subject matter. Why have two polls when you only need one? Anybody not voting for Hughes was voting for a change and at the SAME time you could see who the people who actually wanted change most wanted as a replacement. There's a straight Hughes in or out poll on Twitter and guess what it's exactly the same result as the Oatcake one - 70/30. It's a bullshit poll. Who do you want as Stokes NEXT manager... and Hughes is on the list? WTF. And he won it. That's how polls work. Fact.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 24, 2017 15:41:16 GMT
Of course it's appropriate to the subject matter. Why have two polls when you only need one? Anybody not voting for Hughes was voting for a change and at the SAME time you could see who the people who actually wanted change most wanted as a replacement. There's a straight Hughes in or out poll on Twitter and guess what it's exactly the same result as the Oatcake one - 70/30. It's a bullshit poll. Who do you want as Stokes NEXT manager... and Hughes is on the list? WTF. And he won it. That's how polls work. Fact. The poll on Twitter shows that 70% who voted want Hughes out but it doesn't show who those 70% would most like to replace him with. This poll also shows that 70% want him out but it ALSO shows which manager most people who want him out want him to be replaced with.
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 24, 2017 15:55:41 GMT
The Oatcake poll asked one simple question :
WHO YOUR PICK FOR NEXT MANAGER WOULD BE.
Mark Hughes won the most votes in respect of that one question. The poll did not ask any other question, pugs is correct that's how polls work.
If someone wants to do a poll and ask should Mark Hughes be sacked then fair enough, but this poll today was not asking that question.
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Post by lloydstevens43 on Oct 24, 2017 15:57:47 GMT
Ye get alladyce in or play long ball see that works. Hughes still lucky he not sacked
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 24, 2017 16:58:18 GMT
It's a bullshit poll. Who do you want as Stokes NEXT manager... and Hughes is on the list? WTF. And he won it. That's how polls work. Fact. The poll on Twitter shows that 70% who voted want Hughes out but it doesn't show who those 70% would most like to replace him with. This poll also shows that 70% want him out but it ALSO shows which manager most people who want him out want him to be replaced with. It's a bullshit poll.
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Post by Ygor on Oct 24, 2017 17:00:14 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 24, 2017 17:03:50 GMT
The poll on Twitter shows that 70% who voted want Hughes out but it doesn't show who those 70% would most like to replace him with. This poll also shows that 70% want him out but it ALSO shows which manager most people who want him out want him to be replaced with. It's a bullshit poll. Oh come off it Pugs, if he'd started the poll and not had Hughes on it, then you would have had all the people who want Hughes to stay, asking "where is the option to vote for Hughes?". It's clear as day what the people who have voted are saying, unless you want to be deliberately obtuse about it.
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Post by Trouserdog on Oct 24, 2017 17:11:03 GMT
Christ almighty. Obviously Hughes will have a disproportionate amount of votes compared to any single other individual because the people who want him out (which is now an overwhelming majority) all have different opinions on who they want to take over. So according to you Peter Coates could appoint Dyche who had ten votes and ditch Hughes who had 48 votes? I'm not even going to waste time arguing with you. It's clear from the poll that the majority want Hughes gone, and the only way to do a like-for-like comparison with a single other named candidate would be to run a poll where Hughes and the other person are the only 2 options to vote for.
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 24, 2017 17:12:48 GMT
Oh come off it Pugs, if he'd started the poll and not had Hughes on it, then you would have had all the people who want Hughes to stay, asking "where is the option to vote for Hughes?". It's clear as day what the people who have voted are saying, unless you want to be deliberately obtuse about it. Why would the question be 'next' manager and include the current manager? Hughes won the poll and people can't handle it. It's a bullshit poll. For the record, I want him out.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 24, 2017 17:17:31 GMT
Oh come off it Pugs, if he'd started the poll and not had Hughes on it, then you would have had all the people who want Hughes to stay, asking "where is the option to vote for Hughes?". It's clear as day what the people who have voted are saying, unless you want to be deliberately obtuse about it. Why would the question be 'next' manager and include the current manager? Hughes won the poll and people can't handle it. It's a bullshit poll. For the record, I want him out. I've already explained why he put Hughes there mate. There isn't a SINGLE person who wants Hughes out, who can't handle the result.
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 24, 2017 17:19:39 GMT
So according to you Peter Coates could appoint Dyche who had ten votes and ditch Hughes who had 48 votes? I'm not even going to waste time arguing with you. It's clear from the poll that the majority want Hughes gone, and the only way to do a like-for-like comparison with a single other named candidate would be to run a poll where Hughes and the other person are the only 2 options to vote for. If you read the thread that's what I suggested should happen, but in general terms you can't have a poll asking a specific question and then try and suggest the answers mean something else. For instance if the poll had asked the question " should Hughes be sacked", then it's possible many more posters would have voted and although you think the result would be a massive yes, only running such a poll would prove that for sure.
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Post by lloydstevens43 on Oct 24, 2017 17:24:15 GMT
id take rafa
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 24, 2017 17:29:11 GMT
Would he come here, though?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 24, 2017 17:31:10 GMT
That isn't how you interpret polls bayern, like it or not Hughes is preferred to any of the other named potential managers. Stupid or on a wind up? I can't decide. Easily fucking pleased.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 17:31:37 GMT
I'm not even going to waste time arguing with you. It's clear from the poll that the majority want Hughes gone, and the only way to do a like-for-like comparison with a single other named candidate would be to run a poll where Hughes and the other person are the only 2 options to vote for. If you read the thread that's what I suggested should happen, but in general terms you can't have a poll asking a specific question and then try and suggest the answers mean something else. For instance if the poll had asked the question " should Hughes be sacked", then it's possible many more posters would have voted and although you think the result would be a massive yes, only running such a poll would prove that for sure. If I was asked "Should Hughes be sacked",I would reply "Depends who the alternative is". To sack Hughes with no good replacement would be madness. I think a lot on here just want to see Hughes gone, with or without a better replacement. I'm stating the bleeding obvious I do realise.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 24, 2017 17:32:17 GMT
He's not a fucking miracle worker!
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 24, 2017 17:33:16 GMT
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Post by Gods on Oct 24, 2017 17:36:30 GMT
The polls suggest that 70/30 folks want Mr. Hughes gone but there is no consensus over his replacement.
That is perfectly normal in such a situation.
For example in the Tory leadership challenge when Mrs Thatcher was ousted the votes went like this in the first ballot
Thatcher 204 54.8% Heseltine 152 40.9% Abstentions - the rest
Thatcher considered 54.8% of the vote as a crushing vote of 'no confidence' and promptly resigned, Heseltine proved to be a stalking horse and it was John Major who won who did not come in until the next ballot.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Oct 24, 2017 17:38:52 GMT
The survey / poll is clear - those who have cast a vote want Hughes replaced by a margin of more than 2 to 1 - c70% - only a third want to give him more time....... The club should heed this and other markers...... Gods beat me to it - same incontrovertible conclusion though ! Any other interpretation is straw grasping
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 24, 2017 17:42:26 GMT
The polls suggest that 70/30 folks want Mr. Hughes gone but there is no consensus over his replacement. That is perfectly normal in such a situation. For example in the Tory leadership challenge when Mrs Thatcher was ousted the votes went like this in the first ballot Thatcher 204 54.8% Heseltine 152 40.9% Abstentions - the rest Thatcher considered 54.8% of the vote as a huge vote of 'no confidence' and resigned, Heseltine proved to be a stalking horse and it was John Major who won who did not come in until the next ballot. No, the poll asked who do you want for the next manager and Hughes was top of the poll amongst posters on here, deal with it.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Oct 24, 2017 17:45:11 GMT
The polls suggest that 70/30 folks want Mr. Hughes gone but there is no consensus over his replacement. That is perfectly normal in such a situation. For example in the Tory leadership challenge when Mrs Thatcher was ousted the votes went like this in the first ballot Thatcher 204 54.8% Heseltine 152 40.9% Abstentions - the rest Thatcher considered 54.8% of the vote as a huge vote of 'no confidence' and resigned, Heseltine proved to be a stalking horse and it was John Major who won who did not come in until the next ballot. No, the poll asked who do want for the next manager and Hughes was top of the poll amongst posters on here, deal with it. Clutching at straws mate. - 2 : 1 want him gone and there a variety of thought re a replacement which at this moment in time is moot.....
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 24, 2017 17:49:24 GMT
No, the poll asked who do want for the next manager and Hughes was top of the poll amongst posters on here, deal with it. Clutching at straws mate. - 2 : 1 want him gone and there a variety of thought re a replacement which at this moment in time is moot..... I am dealing with the simple result of a poll, you are putting a different interpretation on the result which has not been proven.
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Post by dadger on Oct 24, 2017 17:50:18 GMT
What about giving nuno santo a chance from wolves playing some cracking footie and can spot good young players .
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 24, 2017 17:58:31 GMT
Isn't this how polls and elections work? The candidate with the highest number of votes wins? They don't like the result, that's the problem. What phraseology on the poll question would you like, Geoff? I'll stick your chosen poll question up.
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Oct 24, 2017 17:59:22 GMT
What about giving nuno santo a chance from wolves playing some cracking footie and can spot good young players . No chance there going one way up we are going the other way down.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 24, 2017 18:02:00 GMT
Clutching at straws mate. - 2 : 1 want him gone and there a variety of thought re a replacement which at this moment in time is moot..... I am dealing with the simple result of a poll, you are putting a different interpretation on the result which has not been proven.
Geoff this is what Matt's opening post on the poll asked for people to do:
Vote here if you think we should keep Hughes or change
Vote to keep Hughes or change And more than 70% voted to change.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Oct 24, 2017 18:05:14 GMT
Clutching at straws mate. - 2 : 1 want him gone and there a variety of thought re a replacement which at this moment in time is moot..... I am dealing with the simple result of a poll, you are putting a different interpretation on the result which has not been proven. But it's patently fact not interpretation - of all the respondents less than a third want Hughes to CONTINUE (not to be NEXT manager as he IS the manager) - therefore MORE than 2/3rds DO NOT want him to. As we are all acutely aware, the names of other potentials are many and moot - but the feeling amongst those who voted is clear to all barring those seeking to see a positive for Hughes at any cost. Surely the purpose of the vote was twofold - one, to establish the level of support for Hughes to continue (c.30% - tick) two, to see the levels of support for ANOther manager and gather a view as to who that may be - (c.70% - tick) - ultimately it will only be one -AN other or Hughes - there are only 2 horses here, one known one yet to be determined.
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Post by jezzascfc on Oct 24, 2017 18:09:21 GMT
This Geoff is to poll reading what Geoff Scott was to playing left back.
70% want him gone, which is probably about typical at this stage of proceedings - the decline has been slowly taking effect, but it is not terminal just yet. He still has a chance to resurrect his managerial career with the club, but that time is fast running out. Even Coates is clearly saying that he wants to keep him, but he better start presiding over a few wins soon if he wants to see in the New Year as Stoke manager. No doubt there has been talk at board meetings as to who they could consider as an alternative, and they are probably about as set on a replacement as that poll suggests us rank and file Stokies are.
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