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Post by Bojan Mackey on Oct 21, 2017 19:49:15 GMT
Just out of curiosity, has a manager ever been sacked the same evening after a poor result? I’m sure there has but I can’t for the life of me remember who.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 21, 2017 19:55:13 GMT
Could someone compile a list of available candidates who have premier league experience...
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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 21, 2017 19:56:11 GMT
Gordon Strachan?
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 21, 2017 19:56:40 GMT
Just out of curiosity, has a manager ever been sacked the same evening after a poor result? I’m sure there has but I can’t for the life of me remember who. We sacked one on the pitch after gaining promotion.
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 21, 2017 20:00:03 GMT
Hughes is not only uninspiring but is tactically very poor, I can't think of any convincing reasons for him staying. The only one I keep hearing is "who do you suggest?" ..... well that's up to the club owners. We need some better players in certain positions but it's not up to Oatcake posters to scout for the club either. Oh I forgot......another argument is "we're a team in transition" ..... I can't believe how many people keep buying into that either. Yeah we're a team in transition alright from decent to poor.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Oct 21, 2017 20:00:07 GMT
The only reason not to get rid, is there isn't anyone better available. So there is no one in the entire world who is just a modicum better than Hughes? So we should stick with a bloke who is sending us down? utter dribble
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Post by sufolkstokie on Oct 21, 2017 20:01:32 GMT
Could someone compile a list of available candidates who have premier league experience... Why PL experience? Look at Silva to debunk that myth
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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 21, 2017 20:02:28 GMT
Could someone compile a list of available candidates who have premier league experience... Why PL experience? Look at Silva to debunk that myth I say that because Coates won't entertain anyone without it.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Oct 21, 2017 20:05:00 GMT
Why PL experience? Look at Silva to debunk that myth I say that because Coates won't entertain anyone without it. sad but very true
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Post by thevoid on Oct 21, 2017 20:05:23 GMT
LMH has been frustrating as a manager for at least the last 2 full seasons, however also put some decent runs together which put him in credit, and the evolution in play following the turgid affair of TP's last couple of seasons in charge was welcomed with open arms (by me at least). That credit looks like it's spent, or at least he's made a significant dent in it. Injuries, lack of cash being made available, failure to convert certain transfers, and the underperformance of some key players undoubtedly play a role in what has been a poor points return over the last 12-18 months in particular; but our approach to how we play football has been - for the most part - pretty bloody dire, and the fact that we just don't seem to know who our best starting XI is and select a formation to get the best out of them, I'm afraid falls squarely at the man in charge. But who comes in if he were to get shown the door? (Although, I think that is very unlikely unless over we go on a losing streak of 6-7 games in a row). Would Pellegrini be remotely interested? Puel completely lost the Saints fans during his short time in charge; can't really see him being an attractive replacement. Pardew can get to fuck. Rafa - unless he is absolutely cheesed off at St James's Park, I can't see him leaving there for us. Allardyce? Sigh. Rather we just stuck with Hughes if he was the best option. Neville? Was a total failure during his short time in La Liga and really not sure that he's the kind of risk we should be taking to let him cut his managerial teeth with us. What the hell happened to Laudrup? Was there any truth in the rumours about his dodgy dealings and his prima donna ways? Moyes - even by Sunderland's pisspoor standards, he took the prize of being pretty much the worst of the lot. If we wanted to take a chance in an 'up-and-coming' manager with experience of the English game, my punt would be Jokanovic. And I'm sure it won't be anywhere near a universally popular choice, but I still like Villas Boas - for such a young manager he has got a lot of experience (but also had access to a lot of money). Could he be tempted from his Asian adventure back to the Prem to show he can cut it in a major league? Dunno, but I'd take him on, however unlikely it is that he'd come! Pellegrini and Villas Boas are on mega money in China, aren't they? AVB is supposedly on £11m-a-year (which apparently makes him he highest=paid manager in the world!) And Pellegrini is also in the top 10 best-paid if you believe the reports. I liked Laudrup initially, but the post-sacking reports seemed to indicate he was a divisive and arrogant sort, and he's been wallowing in the Gulf since. Jokanovic is interesting and he was a sexy choice when we were having this conversation last year. Fulham aren't doing so well this year though (and neither are other sexy picks from then in Stam and Carvalhal) www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/crystal-palace-make-fulham-manager-13089263Some talk that Jokanovic didn't want to leave London when Boro were interested. Fulham started slowly last season too but finished the season playing the best football in that league. And slow starts are the in thing around here anyway.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 21, 2017 20:06:25 GMT
There is a sense that we are all (or at least the majority of us) resigned to the inexorable result that, unless Hughes goes, we shall be relegated this season. As aptly said, after this match no one has even mentioned the next match or pinned any hope on getting some points against this team or the other This was a must win match and the totally pathetic manner in which we lost it spelt it out in very loud and clear terms, with caps locked, underlined and in bold, that unles the manager is sacked, a competernt person drafted in and given some money to spend I never January, this will be our last season in the premier The situation is truly desperate and whoever disagrees has his head stuck firmly in the Sand like an ostrich 100% spot on , my only addition being it may gave give too far , we'd be a poor championship team with butland sold , Zouma gone , Allen sold , Shaq sold , very very worrying
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Post by thevoid on Oct 21, 2017 20:07:37 GMT
Could someone compile a list of available candidates who have premier league experience... Email Tony Scholes mate. That's his job. Pay me his salary and I'll happily indulge you.
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 21, 2017 20:08:40 GMT
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Post by adamsson on Oct 21, 2017 20:10:23 GMT
Could someone compile a list of available candidates who have premier league experience... Thomas Tuchel an ambitious appointment and he would consider us a gateway to better jobs in the premier league but he is out of work and might be persuaded.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 21, 2017 20:12:18 GMT
Could someone compile a list of available candidates who have premier league experience... Email Tony Scholes mate. That's his job. Pay me his salary and I'll happily indulge you. So was overseeing the last three transfer windows .
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 21, 2017 20:14:15 GMT
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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 21, 2017 20:21:15 GMT
I'd take Pardew on a short term contract out of that list
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Post by NG4POTTERS on Oct 21, 2017 20:25:28 GMT
I like the guy at wolves. Nuno santos. Talks intelligently about the game and has good charisma. I don't know. We seem a bit of a mess and these things normally escalate into something bad when not fixed. Much of the premier league is so average and if you have that sprinkling of magic then you can do something. Hughes has had his chance and given us some good steady times but he will take us down. Maybe not this season, maybe next. I think the last time I called for a manager to go it was mick mills but something has got to be done otherwise we slip away. We have got more than we ever had financially. Let's not fuck it all up by letting it drift further. Action.
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Post by thevoid on Oct 21, 2017 20:33:25 GMT
I like the guy at wolves. Nuno santos. Talks intelligently about the game and has good charisma. I don't know. We seem a bit of a mess and these things normally escalate into something bad when not fixed. Much of the premier league is so average and if you have that sprinkling of magic then you can do something. Hughes has had his chance and given us some good steady times but he will take us down. Maybe not this season, maybe next. I think the last time I called for a manager to go it was mick mills but something has got to be done otherwise we slip away. We have got more than we ever had financially. Let's not fuck it all up by letting it drift further. Action. If Wolves get promoted they won't fanny about either.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 20:53:32 GMT
LMH has been frustrating as a manager for at least the last 2 full seasons, however also put some decent runs together which put him in credit, and the evolution in play following the turgid affair of TP's last couple of seasons in charge was welcomed with open arms (by me at least). That credit looks like it's spent, or at least he's made a significant dent in it. Injuries, lack of cash being made available, failure to convert certain transfers, and the underperformance of some key players undoubtedly play a role in what has been a poor points return over the last 12-18 months in particular; but our approach to how we play football has been - for the most part - pretty bloody dire, and the fact that we just don't seem to know who our best starting XI is and select a formation to get the best out of them, I'm afraid falls squarely at the man in charge. But who comes in if he were to get shown the door? (Although, I think that is very unlikely unless over we go on a losing streak of 6-7 games in a row). Would Pellegrini be remotely interested? Puel completely lost the Saints fans during his short time in charge; can't really see him being an attractive replacement. Pardew can get to fuck. Rafa - unless he is absolutely cheesed off at St James's Park, I can't see him leaving there for us. Allardyce? Sigh. Rather we just stuck with Hughes if he was the best option. Neville? Was a total failure during his short time in La Liga and really not sure that he's the kind of risk we should be taking to let him cut his managerial teeth with us. What the hell happened to Laudrup? Was there any truth in the rumours about his dodgy dealings and his prima donna ways? Moyes - even by Sunderland's pisspoor standards, he took the prize of being pretty much the worst of the lot. If we wanted to take a chance in an 'up-and-coming' manager with experience of the English game, my punt would be Jokanovic. And I'm sure it won't be anywhere near a universally popular choice, but I still like Villas Boas - for such a young manager he has got a lot of experience (but also had access to a lot of money). Could he be tempted from his Asian adventure back to the Prem to show he can cut it in a major league? Dunno, but I'd take him on, however unlikely it is that he'd come! Pellegrini and Villas Boas are on mega money in China, aren't they? AVB is supposedly on £11m-a-year (which apparently makes him he highest=paid manager in the world!) And Pellegrini is also in the top 10 best-paid if you believe the reports. I liked Laudrup initially, but the post-sacking reports seemed to indicate he was a divisive and arrogant sort, and he's been wallowing in the Gulf since. Jokanovic is interesting and he was a sexy choice when we were having this conversation last year. Fulham aren't doing so well this year though (and neither are other sexy picks from then in Stam and Carvalhal) www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/crystal-palace-make-fulham-manager-13089263Some talk that Jokanovic didn't want to leave London when Boro were interested. If that's true about the wages, then that would rule them out pretty much instantly. Unless AVB got the can because of his (now 3rd?) ban from the touch line. He is very much an ego though, so couldn't see him considering us realistically. Never really bought the Stam hype personally. Whilst Fulham aren't competing where their fans hoped/expected, they've drawn too many so far, they're only 3 points outside the play-offs and with Cairney to come back from injury, you'd still expect them to be there or thereabouts. Depending where he's based, a commute to Stoke is far more manageable than the trek to Middlesbrough. Despite his moaning about not being backed in the summer by the Fulham board, you'd imagine he'd be pretty happy where he is though. Laudrup does seem poisonous if you believe the reports.
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Post by ed5993 on Oct 21, 2017 22:33:05 GMT
I wonder what Boskamp's doing these days?
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 21, 2017 23:29:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 23:35:44 GMT
So are you going to have Chris Kamara as caretaker til Jan/June? So we're going to stick our fingers in our ears, squeeze our eyes tight shut and simply mutter la, la, la until June and just HOPE that when we open them, that we've actually fuckin made it? I give up trying to have an adult discussion with you.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 23:41:15 GMT
Who was the Watford manager they shitcanned who was doing well? Seemed an odd situation.
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Post by butlerstbob on Oct 21, 2017 23:51:24 GMT
I am sick of hearing " who can we replace him with" we dont get paid a kings ransom to make these decisions but people within the club do! Hughes has fucked up for far too long and lost the plot! He needs to go! He has had long enough to turn things around and proved he cant do it!
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Post by thevoid on Oct 21, 2017 23:55:08 GMT
Who was the Watford manager they shitcanned who was doing well? Seemed an odd situation. Flores. The Marcus Waring lookalike. Didn't they shitcan Jokanovic after promotion too?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 0:00:43 GMT
Who was the Watford manager they shitcanned who was doing well? Seemed an odd situation. Flores. The Marcus Waring lookalike. Didn't they shitcan Jokanovic after promotion too? Flores. Interesting. He seemed like a good manager. Not a Coates man though. Too much Johnny Foreigner.
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Post by ed5993 on Oct 22, 2017 0:14:18 GMT
Assuming Peter Coates has the most significant say in any next appointment... I wouldn't be surprised if the next manager also hails from these shores... or at the very very least has a significant grounding in the British game for a number of years.
I really can't imagine him going with a foreign manager that only has a season or two's experience in the Prem, let alone somebody with zero.
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Post by kustokie on Oct 22, 2017 0:42:12 GMT
There’s several managers with PL experience we can probably rule out: those that have been recently fired because they will have a signed a non-compete clause as part of their severance package. No team is going to fire a manager and allow them to use everything they know about the team they have just left: strengths, weaknesses etc. It’s naive to assume that ex-managers spend 6-12 months after they get fired sitting on the beach. They have wait until the non-compete period expires or get a job in another league.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 0:48:20 GMT
There’s several managers with PL experience we can probably rule out: those that have been recently fired because they will have a signed a non-compete clause as part of their severance package. No team is going to fire a manager and allow them to use everything they know about the team they have just left: strengths, weaknesses etc. It’s naive to assume that ex-managers spend 6-12 months after they get fired sitting on the beach. They have wait until the non-compete period expires or get a job in another league. I'm not sure that those type of "clauses" are actually legal here in the UK. They can be signed and agreed, but enforcing them is pretty nigh impossible.
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