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Post by RAF on Oct 21, 2017 18:13:18 GMT
There is no way that if a take over was on the cards that the powers that be would risk their profit margin by letting us skirt with the championship. They would be making the club the most attractive they could for maximum profit. Knowing the Coates's they would want to milk every last drop of profit. Barking up the wrong tree for me. H You might be right, but then again who knows Dunno mate, it's all very strange. H
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Post by mrred on Oct 21, 2017 18:13:24 GMT
I hate all the 'Hughes out' stuff as much as I hated all the 'Pulis out' stuff. This sort of poncing, flimsy panicky talk pisses me off. My team is my team and the manager is just part of the operation. Check out Watford, who know how it works. Coates knows it too and when it was time for Pulis to go, his friendship for the man counted for nothing, just as when it wasn't time to go, the moaning counted for just as little. You don't go into panic mode when the weathers tough; that's what you do when the hull springs a leak Decisions like this should be made with care, soberly, thoughtfully...... And so, now that I find myself joining the Hughes out brigade, all I can see is that if people like me are saying it, the man's really in fucking trouble. Mate, were going on for 2 years of this shit. This isn't reactionary of a few (more) bad games and bad management.
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Post by mrred on Oct 21, 2017 18:17:31 GMT
It's a bad state of affairs when you're clambering for a semi retired Allardyce. But I'd take him in a fucking heartbeat. At the very least I know he'd get players playing for our club and instil some fucking pride into wearing the shirt.
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Post by malteser68 on Oct 21, 2017 18:41:38 GMT
Sean Dyche for me. There are no more excuses that Mark Hughes can come up with. After 5 years he has taken us as far as he can. He has also lost the dressing Room and he still doesnt know his best team. Things need to change otherwise we will be facing life in the Championship next season Why would Sean Dyche come here when he's already at a Premier League club our size which is doing better than us ?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Oct 21, 2017 18:42:50 GMT
Today was a complete embarrassment.
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Post by kustokie on Oct 21, 2017 19:03:17 GMT
LMH has been frustrating as a manager for at least the last 2 full seasons, however also put some decent runs together which put him in credit, and the evolution in play following the turgid affair of TP's last couple of seasons in charge was welcomed with open arms (by me at least). That credit looks like it's spent, or at least he's made a significant dent in it. Injuries, lack of cash being made available, failure to convert certain transfers, and the underperformance of some key players undoubtedly play a role in what has been a poor points return over the last 12-18 months in particular; but our approach to how we play football has been - for the most part - pretty bloody dire, and the fact that we just don't seem to know who our best starting XI is and select a formation to get the best out of them, I'm afraid falls squarely at the man in charge. But who comes in if he were to get shown the door? (Although, I think that is very unlikely unless over we go on a losing streak of 6-7 games in a row). Would Pellegrini be remotely interested? Puel completely lost the Saints fans during his short time in charge; can't really see him being an attractive replacement. Pardew can get to fuck. Rafa - unless he is absolutely cheesed off at St James's Park, I can't see him leaving there for us. Allardyce? Sigh. Rather we just stuck with Hughes if he was the best option. Neville? Was a total failure during his short time in La Liga and really not sure that he's the kind of risk we should be taking to let him cut his managerial teeth with us. What the hell happened to Laudrup? Was there any truth in the rumours about his dodgy dealings and his prima donna ways? Moyes - even by Sunderland's pisspoor standards, he took the prize of being pretty much the worst of the lot. If we wanted to take a chance in an 'up-and-coming' manager with experience of the English game, my punt would be Jokanovic. And I'm sure it won't be anywhere near a universally popular choice, but I still like Villas Boas - for such a young manager he has got a lot of experience (but also had access to a lot of money). Could he be tempted from his Asian adventure back to the Prem to show he can cut it in a major league? Dunno, but I'd take him on, however unlikely it is that he'd come! This is a really good analysis. Youre right, I’m not much for Villas Boas - besides, he strikes me as being too precious for a club like Stoke, I think he sees himself as one of those like Blanc or Mancini or Ancelotti who are only available to elite clubs. It is all a matter of timing. We have to decide when we give up on Hughes. There would have been a window at the beginning of the season, but mid-season it is not a great idea to change managers if you can hang on until the end of the season. If there is not a good manager waiting in the wings, then the only ones that become available are those that get sacked for not being good enough somewhere else. So, even if we think Hughes is not doing a good enough job, he is not doing such a bad job that we have a better chance with no one at all or replacing him at any cost ...watch what happens at Leicester to see what I mean. they won away at Swansea. What’s your point?
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Post by kustokie on Oct 21, 2017 19:06:28 GMT
Sean Dyche for me. There are no more excuses that Mark Hughes can come up with. After 5 years he has taken us as far as he can. He has also lost the dressing Room and he still doesnt know his best team. Things need to change otherwise we will be facing life in the Championship next season Why would Sean Dyche come here when he's already at a Premier League club our size which is doing better than us ? Exactly.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Oct 21, 2017 19:08:21 GMT
Its a strange feeling tonight...Their has been plenty of Hughes Out threads in the past 12 months, and we have limped onwards with nothing much to shout about.
Tonight though its more of a universal feeling that enough is enough. Not even any thoughts of "Next game will be the biggest/Save his job etc..." Thats it, pendulum swung & surely its a matter of when not if? PC Im sure will take it all in as he does, but even so he has to be aware now of the unrest of fans & in all honesty the complete tripe being served on the pitch. Using the weather as an excuse? Oh come on Mark, the supporters are not that stupid & I doubt very much PC is either. Sadly too many things are going against you now such as a lack of plan A/B/XYZ when setting teams up. The look of a team that has had enough of playing under you management. The fact that given the money as per before at other Clubs, you waste it big time.
The honeymoon was over ages ago, the divorce court is what awaits.
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Post by fca47 on Oct 21, 2017 19:10:08 GMT
The only reason not to get rid, is there isn't anyone better available.
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Post by Trouserdog on Oct 21, 2017 19:11:54 GMT
There's no argument now that Hughes should keep his job.
He's had a reasonable amount of time to turn things around and he's failed. He now faces a meeting with Denise and 14 inches of studded rubber before decapitation in front of the bet365 offices.
AXE! AXE! AXE!
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 21, 2017 19:12:45 GMT
The only reason not to get rid, is there isn't anyone better available. Allardyce is available for more money I Agree but we are well located , relatively stable , chairman rates him , but is it his choice ?
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Post by malteser68 on Oct 21, 2017 19:14:05 GMT
There is a sense that we are all (or at least the majority of us) resigned to the inexorable result that, unless Hughes goes, we shall be relegated this season.
As aptly said, after this match no one has even mentioned the next match or pinned any hope on getting some points against this team or the other
This was a must win match and the totally pathetic manner in which we lost it spelt it out in very loud and clear terms, with caps locked, underlined and in bold, that unles the manager is sacked, a competernt person drafted in and given some money to spend I never January, this will be our last season in the premier
The situation is truly desperate and whoever disagrees has his head stuck firmly in the Sand like an ostrich
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Post by malteser68 on Oct 21, 2017 19:16:12 GMT
The only reason not to get rid, is there isn't anyone better available. Not even that is a good reason anyone will be better than this clueless clown who has blamed the weather for the pathetic performance of his ill-assembled, shapeless team a team shaped on the manager himself - clueless and I cannot believe that in all the world there is not one person whoca do a better job than the uter gash which is being served week in week out
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 21, 2017 19:19:51 GMT
None of you can ever name a replacement. So if we lose the next (say) six games on the bounce then that argument still remains relevant does it? At what point WOULD it actually become relevant? Are you suggesting that Hughes should have a job for life here if there isn't a credible replacement available?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 19:22:22 GMT
None of you can ever name a replacement. So if we lose the next (say) six games on the bounce then that argument still remains relevant does it? At what point WOULD it actually become relevant? Are you suggesting that Hughes should have a job for life here if there isn't a credible replacement available? Not at all and I don't even know why you question me. No better replacent then we get relegated for sure AND we've paid off 3-5 contracts PLUS same again for the new unsuccessful lot.
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Post by karl on Oct 21, 2017 19:22:58 GMT
Sean Dyche is available for £2.5 million according to reports. Coates should be slapping that money on their desk tonight. Would love him at Stoke
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 21, 2017 19:23:39 GMT
None of you can ever name a replacement. We don't need to, we aren't paid good money to do it.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 21, 2017 19:29:53 GMT
Now Hughes time may well be up but 3 successive 9th place finishes and 50 plus points would suggest there was progress after your hero left. Not for the first time today you're making shit up. I don’t like Pulis and would never want him back. However, he left Stoke with a strong foundation to build on, which Hughes has failed to do. Tbf he did, but he's started to fuck it up.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 21, 2017 19:32:45 GMT
So if we lose the next (say) six games on the bounce then that argument still remains relevant does it? At what point WOULD it actually become relevant? Are you suggesting that Hughes should have a job for life here if there isn't a credible replacement available? Not at all and I don't even know why you question me. No better replacent then we get relegated for sure AND we've paid off 3-5 contracts PLUS same again for the new unsuccessful lot. I question you because it's a bankrupt argument ... ultimately you're suggesting that because there isn't an obvious replacement available, then that itself means that we should stick with what we've got, even if it means we'll ultimately get relegated. We could lose the next six games and there still wouldn't be an OBVIOUS replacement available, so in your opinion, we should STILL stick with Hughes because there isn't an obvious candidate out there to replace him?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 19:37:43 GMT
Not at all and I don't even know why you question me. No better replacent then we get relegated for sure AND we've paid off 3-5 contracts PLUS same again for the new unsuccessful lot. I question you because it's a bankrupt argument ... ultimately you're suggesting that because there isn't an obvious replacement available, then that itself means that we should stick with what we've got, even if it means we'll ultimately get relegated. We could lose the next six games and there still wouldn't be an OBVIOUS replacement available, so in your opinion, we should STILL stick with Hughes because there isn't an obvious candidate out there to replace him? So are you going to have Chris Kamara as caretaker til Jan/June?
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 21, 2017 19:40:04 GMT
Today was a complete embarrassment. Am I right in thinking you have connections within the club? If so, heard any opinions?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 21, 2017 19:40:46 GMT
Today was a complete embarrassment. Caused by your best mate I'm afraid , notice you've stopped basking in the reflected glory of your special TS relationship now 😉
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Post by GeneralFaye on Oct 21, 2017 19:41:57 GMT
Today was a complete embarrassment. Am I right in thinking you have connections within the club? If so, heard any opinions? Me and Tony Scholes are good friends, we play squash most Wednesdays but that's as far as it goes. I have no idea what Coates is thinking right now.
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 21, 2017 19:42:01 GMT
LMH has been frustrating as a manager for at least the last 2 full seasons, however also put some decent runs together which put him in credit, and the evolution in play following the turgid affair of TP's last couple of seasons in charge was welcomed with open arms (by me at least). That credit looks like it's spent, or at least he's made a significant dent in it. Injuries, lack of cash being made available, failure to convert certain transfers, and the underperformance of some key players undoubtedly play a role in what has been a poor points return over the last 12-18 months in particular; but our approach to how we play football has been - for the most part - pretty bloody dire, and the fact that we just don't seem to know who our best starting XI is and select a formation to get the best out of them, I'm afraid falls squarely at the man in charge. But who comes in if he were to get shown the door? (Although, I think that is very unlikely unless over we go on a losing streak of 6-7 games in a row). Would Pellegrini be remotely interested? Puel completely lost the Saints fans during his short time in charge; can't really see him being an attractive replacement. Pardew can get to fuck. Rafa - unless he is absolutely cheesed off at St James's Park, I can't see him leaving there for us. Allardyce? Sigh. Rather we just stuck with Hughes if he was the best option. Neville? Was a total failure during his short time in La Liga and really not sure that he's the kind of risk we should be taking to let him cut his managerial teeth with us. What the hell happened to Laudrup? Was there any truth in the rumours about his dodgy dealings and his prima donna ways? Moyes - even by Sunderland's pisspoor standards, he took the prize of being pretty much the worst of the lot. If we wanted to take a chance in an 'up-and-coming' manager with experience of the English game, my punt would be Jokanovic. And I'm sure it won't be anywhere near a universally popular choice, but I still like Villas Boas - for such a young manager he has got a lot of experience (but also had access to a lot of money). Could he be tempted from his Asian adventure back to the Prem to show he can cut it in a major league? Dunno, but I'd take him on, however unlikely it is that he'd come! Pellegrini and Villas Boas are on mega money in China, aren't they? AVB is supposedly on £11m-a-year (which apparently makes him he highest=paid manager in the world!) And Pellegrini is also in the top 10 best-paid if you believe the reports. I liked Laudrup initially, but the post-sacking reports seemed to indicate he was a divisive and arrogant sort, and he's been wallowing in the Gulf since. Jokanovic is interesting and he was a sexy choice when we were having this conversation last year. Fulham aren't doing so well this year though (and neither are other sexy picks from then in Stam and Carvalhal) www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/crystal-palace-make-fulham-manager-13089263Some talk that Jokanovic didn't want to leave London when Boro were interested.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Oct 21, 2017 19:43:12 GMT
Today was a complete embarrassment. Caused by your best mate I'm afraid , notice you've stopped basking in the reflected glory of your special TS relationship now 😉 You what? Me and Tony are still good friends, where have I said we aren't?.. today was shocking, I'm not going to ignore that.
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Post by henry on Oct 21, 2017 19:43:57 GMT
1 win from behind in the last 40 games. Just another reason for Hughes to fuck off fuck me thats scary. This afternoon has put me firmly in the Hughes out camp now. Mark, please fuck off
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 21, 2017 19:44:13 GMT
I don’t like Pulis and would never want him back. However, he left Stoke with a strong foundation to build on, which Hughes has failed to do. Tbf he did, but he's started to fuck it up. He started fucking it up as soon as we beat Liverpool 6-1 since then he has gradually eroded everything he had when he joined, his transfer dealings in and out have been predominantly fucking disastrous.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 21, 2017 19:46:21 GMT
I question you because it's a bankrupt argument ... ultimately you're suggesting that because there isn't an obvious replacement available, then that itself means that we should stick with what we've got, even if it means we'll ultimately get relegated. We could lose the next six games and there still wouldn't be an OBVIOUS replacement available, so in your opinion, we should STILL stick with Hughes because there isn't an obvious candidate out there to replace him? So are you going to have Chris Kamara as caretaker til Jan/June? So we're going to stick our fingers in our ears, squeeze our eyes tight shut and simply mutter la, la, la until June and just HOPE that when we open them, that we've actually fuckin made it?
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 21, 2017 19:47:32 GMT
Am I right in thinking you have connections within the club? If so, heard any opinions? Me and Tony Scholes are good friends, we play squash most Wednesdays but that's as far as it goes. I have no idea what Coates is thinking right now. Fair enough mate, thanks for the answer. Shit I seriously hope they are feeling decisive, though, I must say
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Post by henry on Oct 21, 2017 19:47:38 GMT
None of you can ever name a replacement. So if we lose the next (say) six games on the bounce then that argument still remains relevant does it? At what point WOULD it actually become relevant? Are you suggesting that Hughes should have a job for life here if there isn't a credible replacement available? Paul, you've fucking nailed it with that reply.
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