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Post by kickoffat3 on Oct 21, 2017 17:09:36 GMT
If Hughes was to go then it would be Chris Wilder for me, he has no premiership experience but I can see him at a premiership club in a few seasons.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 17:09:47 GMT
No arguments for MH retaining his job - the past 20 months have been diabolical. If Coates would look abroad then Thomas Tuchel would be my choice from available managers, but sadly he ain't British, no Prem experience and can't see him dropping down from Champions League level clubs. It's going be either Big Sam, Dyche or Coleman... Coleman would just be more of the same I think. Big Sam would be a "get us out of the shit" temporary signing, and Dyche probably wouldn't leave Burnley for us anyway. I just hope we wouldn't even consider the likes of Pardew, Moyes, or similar.
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Post by malteser68 on Oct 21, 2017 17:10:34 GMT
You have simply avoided answering the question: in the absence of the so-called 'sensible attainable manager suggestions' (something which should have been done in the summer, don't you think ?) what do you suggest we do ? Continue with the utter gash that is being dished week in, week out ? Is is this your solution ? Now AND this is where YOUR agenda comes in - whoever is suggested as a 'sensible attainable manager suggestion' will be show down by you as not the right choice let me throw a name into the hat (knowing full well that you will deride it, and without knowing whether he is actually available or not) - Quique Sanchez Flores I haven't avoided anything. I think it's fairly obvious that like many I'm scratching my head wondering what the fuck has gone wrong and I'm not sure how to fix it. A decent attainable replacement is one way to go , but for me bringing in someone like Allardyce is desperate, and we don't need to be. By the way this was discussed all pre-season if you care to look. So the other choice is to let Hughes turn it round. The frustrating thing is we were very good against Man Utd at home so we can obviously do it, just not with any consistency. Flores? I quite rated him at Watford and thought he was treated harshly. Would he leave Espanyol for us? Doubt it but I'm not averse to the idea. Fucking agenda my bollocks. H How can he turn it around ? He he had all summer to buy a decent right back but failed to do so he got rid of bardsley and muniesa, got tymon whom he clearly doesn't rate, and had to rely either on the utterly useless Johnson, or sacrifice diouf (when his expensive signing berahino is on one of the longest barren runs in the history of the game) or sacrifice Cameron who is needed in central defense or midfield the 'star' signings of the window was a 33 year old on his last legs and a central defender who is afraid of the ball we still leak in goals for fun and labor to score, just as it was for the past 2 seasons so why should he be given more time to turn it around when he is the main culprit for the situation we are in ??!! at least we are in agreement on Flores I'm sure he'd be dying for another bite at the premier league cherry and the chance to prove that he was treated harshly at watford plus the wages he can earn will be far superior which Espanyol can pay
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Post by kustokie on Oct 21, 2017 17:12:27 GMT
We've got the worst team ( not even 11 proper starters, given that there is no credible right back), worst squad and clueless manager All the ingredients for the drop Worst still, I start questioning whether the Board is actually bothered to turn things round Keeping Hughes when he should have been given his marching orders 5 minutes after the final game of last season goes to show that either they are also clueless or that they don't give a toss To explain all that is wrong with the club would take a whole thesis Truth is that, except for a few spurts and bursts, there was no progress since Pulis left Truth is that in spite of what some morons used to say (sidewards and backwards) Nzonzi was the linchpin which gelled the whole team Ever since he left the rot began and he was never properly replaced Now Hughes time may well be up but 3 successive 9th place finishes and 50 plus points would suggest there was progress after your hero left. Not for the first time today you're making shit up. I don’t like Pulis and would never want him back. However, he left Stoke with a strong foundation to build on, which Hughes has failed to do.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 17:13:27 GMT
LMH has been frustrating as a manager for at least the last 2 full seasons, however also put some decent runs together which put him in credit, and the evolution in play following the turgid affair of TP's last couple of seasons in charge was welcomed with open arms (by me at least).
That credit looks like it's spent, or at least he's made a significant dent in it. Injuries, lack of cash being made available, failure to convert certain transfers, and the underperformance of some key players undoubtedly play a role in what has been a poor points return over the last 12-18 months in particular; but our approach to how we play football has been - for the most part - pretty bloody dire, and the fact that we just don't seem to know who our best starting XI is and select a formation to get the best out of them, I'm afraid falls squarely at the man in charge.
But who comes in if he were to get shown the door? (Although, I think that is very unlikely unless over we go on a losing streak of 6-7 games in a row). Would Pellegrini be remotely interested? Puel completely lost the Saints fans during his short time in charge; can't really see him being an attractive replacement. Pardew can get to fuck. Rafa - unless he is absolutely cheesed off at St James's Park, I can't see him leaving there for us. Allardyce? Sigh. Rather we just stuck with Hughes if he was the best option. Neville? Was a total failure during his short time in La Liga and really not sure that he's the kind of risk we should be taking to let him cut his managerial teeth with us. What the hell happened to Laudrup? Was there any truth in the rumours about his dodgy dealings and his prima donna ways? Moyes - even by Sunderland's pisspoor standards, he took the prize of being pretty much the worst of the lot.
If we wanted to take a chance in an 'up-and-coming' manager with experience of the English game, my punt would be Jokanovic. And I'm sure it won't be anywhere near a universally popular choice, but I still like Villas Boas - for such a young manager he has got a lot of experience (but also had access to a lot of money). Could he be tempted from his Asian adventure back to the Prem to show he can cut it in a major league? Dunno, but I'd take him on, however unlikely it is that he'd come!
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Post by malteser68 on Oct 21, 2017 17:13:31 GMT
We've got the worst team ( not even 11 proper starters, given that there is no credible right back), worst squad and clueless manager All the ingredients for the drop Worst still, I start questioning whether the Board is actually bothered to turn things round Keeping Hughes when he should have been given his marching orders 5 minutes after the final game of last season goes to show that either they are also clueless or that they don't give a toss To explain all that is wrong with the club would take a whole thesis Truth is that, except for a few spurts and bursts, there was no progress since Pulis left Truth is that in spite of what some morons used to say (sidewards and backwards) Nzonzi was the linchpin which gelled the whole team Ever since he left the rot began and he was never properly replaced Now Hughes time may well be up but 3 successive 9th place finishes and 50 plus points would suggest there was progress after your hero left. Not for the first time today you're making shit up. Pulls was not my hero at all I was one of the ones clamouring for his replacement as I couldn't stand the gash dished out in the last season but I wanted a replacement to take us forward not backward, to improve the style of play what we have witnessed last season and this season is no better than the gash of pulls hoofball of the last season so in the same way that it was time to replace Pulis it I said now also high time to give Hughes the boot
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Oct 21, 2017 17:15:44 GMT
Other than 'but who do we replace him with?', what actual footballing reasons are there for keeping Hughes?
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Post by jestershat on Oct 21, 2017 17:17:11 GMT
Was Hughes ever a good manager for us? Or did Nzonzi make him look good? Since he left the connection from defence to attack has been non-existent. We had 50-60% almost every game with him in the side, now we're making fucking Bournemouth look like Barcelona. He's got to go No. He should have gone two years ago. The reasons he is still here are obsurd: - He was a great player (so what, that doesn’t mean he will be a good manager. Most good players are not cut out for management)
- Three top ten finishes in a row (so what, past performance is irrelevant. Past performance does not always guarantee success. We have been heading in the wring direction for a long time)
- He’s British (so what? Why does this not apply to players as well. Get the best available manager NOW. I don’t care if he’s from outer-Mongolia)
I agree about British managers to an extent......but it is the usual suspects being named all the time. Are there NO young managers in the lower leagues? Who are the club looking at IF a replacement is required? ONLY British managers? Why? Where did Wolves look? The Holy Spirit seems do be doing well there. I think we must look deeper and wider.....even if it is only background research at the moment.
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Post by steino1966 on Oct 21, 2017 17:17:25 GMT
No arguments for MH retaining his job - the past 20 months have been diabolical. If Coates would look abroad then Thomas Tuchel would be my choice from available managers, but sadly he ain't British, no Prem experience and can't see him dropping down from Champions League level clubs. It's going be either Big Sam, Dyche or Coleman... Coleman would just be more of the same I think. Big Sam would be a "get us out of the shit" temporary signing, and Dyche probably wouldn't leave Burnley for us anyway. I just hope we wouldn't even consider the likes of Pardew, Moyes, or similar. Agree with temporary "get us out the shit" with Big Sam and then we can see what's available in the summer. Still it doesn't fill you with great confidence the managers being mentioned :/ Hughes still has to go though, it's a dog eat dog world out there.
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Post by ed5993 on Oct 21, 2017 17:17:30 GMT
Hughes has consistently proved he can't change games. It's criminal that he didn't make use of all his subs today.
His recruitment this term has left us with more problems and questions than answers.
I can't see how he's going to change things between now and January to pull us away from a relegation dogfight.
If Dyche is as available as it sounds, then I would happily see him in next week.
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Post by RAF on Oct 21, 2017 17:18:40 GMT
I haven't avoided anything. I think it's fairly obvious that like many I'm scratching my head wondering what the fuck has gone wrong and I'm not sure how to fix it. A decent attainable replacement is one way to go , but for me bringing in someone like Allardyce is desperate, and we don't need to be. By the way this was discussed all pre-season if you care to look. So the other choice is to let Hughes turn it round. The frustrating thing is we were very good against Man Utd at home so we can obviously do it, just not with any consistency. Flores? I quite rated him at Watford and thought he was treated harshly. Would he leave Espanyol for us? Doubt it but I'm not averse to the idea. Fucking agenda my bollocks. H How can he turn it around ? He he had all summer to buy a decent right back but failed to do so he got rid of bardsley and muniesa, got tymon whom he clearly doesn't rate, and had to rely either on the utterly useless Johnson, or sacrifice diouf (when his expensive signing berahino is on one of the longest barren runs in the history of the game) or sacrifice Cameron who is needed in central defense or midfield the 'star' signings of the window was a 33 year old on his last legs and a central defender who is afraid of the ball we still leak in goals for fun and labor to score, just as it was for the past 2 seasons so why should he be given more time to turn it around when he is the main culprit for the situation we are in ??!! at least we are in agreement on Flores I'm sure he'd be dying for another bite at the premier league cherry and the chance to prove that he was treated harshly at watford plus the wages he can earn will be far superior which Espanyol can pay How can he turn it around? By giving his gutless players an absolute fucking rocket for a start. Pissing the ridiculous Wing Back system off until we get actual wingbacks and playing two up front would help imho. I do think we have been unusually unlucky with injuries. Johnson needs fucking off. We missed Shaq today as well. If he is to stay he needs to get back to his first two seasons mentality or were are in the shit. H
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Post by thevoid on Oct 21, 2017 17:19:34 GMT
If Hughes was to go then it would be Chris Wilder for me, he has no premiership experience but I can see him at a premiership club in a few seasons. Probably with his boyhood club, Sheff Utd
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Post by march4 on Oct 21, 2017 17:21:44 GMT
There is no sane reason for Hughes to remain at our beloved club for another second.
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Post by mrred on Oct 21, 2017 17:26:33 GMT
How can he turn it around ? He he had all summer to buy a decent right back but failed to do so he got rid of bardsley and muniesa, got tymon whom he clearly doesn't rate, and had to rely either on the utterly useless Johnson, or sacrifice diouf (when his expensive signing berahino is on one of the longest barren runs in the history of the game) or sacrifice Cameron who is needed in central defense or midfield the 'star' signings of the window was a 33 year old on his last legs and a central defender who is afraid of the ball we still leak in goals for fun and labor to score, just as it was for the past 2 seasons so why should he be given more time to turn it around when he is the main culprit for the situation we are in ??!! at least we are in agreement on Flores I'm sure he'd be dying for another bite at the premier league cherry and the chance to prove that he was treated harshly at watford plus the wages he can earn will be far superior which Espanyol can pay How can he turn it around? By giving his gutless players an absolute fucking rocket for a start. Pissing the ridiculous Wing Back system off until we get actual wingbacks and playing two up front would help imho. I do think we have been unusually unlucky with injuries. Johnson needs fucking off. We missed Shaq today as well. If he is to stay he needs to get back to his first two seasons mentality or were are in the shit. H He's not capable of doing those things. The more time goes on, more more I'm iclined to think he rode a wave of the club that was on a high after years of tyrany and players that wanted to express their skills after years in shackles. There's no way he's turning this round. It'll be a 2 year rut come January.
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Post by rawli on Oct 21, 2017 17:31:30 GMT
Can anyone explain why Sam Alladyce is top of a lot of wish lists........Jesus wept English and premier league experience. The chairman's fucking idiotic criteria means the pool has very few fish.
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Post by rawli on Oct 21, 2017 17:33:34 GMT
Presumably the Bentley ,the Rolex and the Armani suit are on sale or return and he takes them back and gets a refund after the match No. He owns the remaining property in the north west that Robbie Fowler hasn't bought.
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Post by dutchstokie on Oct 21, 2017 17:35:59 GMT
We've got the worst team ( not even 11 proper starters, given that there is no credible right back), worst squad and clueless manager All the ingredients for the drop Worst still, I start questioning whether the Board is actually bothered to turn things round Keeping Hughes when he should have been given his marching orders 5 minutes after the final game of last season goes to show that either they are also clueless or that they don't give a toss To explain all that is wrong with the club would take a whole thesis Truth is that, except for a few spurts and bursts, there was no progress since Pulis left Truth is that in spite of what some morons used to say (sidewards and backwards) Nzonzi was the linchpin which gelled the whole team Ever since he left the rot began and he was never properly replaced Your third paragraph is something I touched on, on the match day thread. In as much as I really think something’s going on behind the scenes. Every department seems to have taken their eyes off the ball and we’re just going through the motions. Perhaps a takeover isn’t far off- who knows????
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Post by rawli on Oct 21, 2017 17:35:59 GMT
I wonder what Coatesy is thinking tonight??? He's thinking can he get me enough points to guarantee me another £100 odd million next year.
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Post by songthrush01 on Oct 21, 2017 17:41:17 GMT
Can anyone explain why Sam Alladyce is top of a lot of wish lists........Jesus wept English and premier league experience. The chairman's fucking idiotic criteria means the pool has very few fish. add to that no ambition.for me mancini,but there is no hope of that while this old fool is running the club.
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Post by sharonbeech21 on Oct 21, 2017 17:43:21 GMT
Sean Dyche for me. There are no more excuses that Mark Hughes can come up with. After 5 years he has taken us as far as he can. He has also lost the dressing Room and he still doesnt know his best team. Things need to change otherwise we will be facing life in the Championship next season
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Post by TexasPotter on Oct 21, 2017 17:46:19 GMT
Can anyone explain why Sam Alladyce is top of a lot of wish lists........Jesus wept In a word Desperation. Same for my thinking, sadly who is left to call on? Big Sam, Moyes, Laudrup?
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Post by rawli on Oct 21, 2017 17:49:14 GMT
Sean Dyche for me. There are no more excuses that Mark Hughes can come up with. After 5 years he has taken us as far as he can. He has also lost the dressing Room and he still doesnt know his best team. Things need to change otherwise we will be facing life in the Championship next season Can anyone tell me why he would come? Worse budget, worse squad in terms of how he plays. We are not really a step up.
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Post by pyrus on Oct 21, 2017 17:50:06 GMT
LMH has been frustrating as a manager for at least the last 2 full seasons, however also put some decent runs together which put him in credit, and the evolution in play following the turgid affair of TP's last couple of seasons in charge was welcomed with open arms (by me at least). That credit looks like it's spent, or at least he's made a significant dent in it. Injuries, lack of cash being made available, failure to convert certain transfers, and the underperformance of some key players undoubtedly play a role in what has been a poor points return over the last 12-18 months in particular; but our approach to how we play football has been - for the most part - pretty bloody dire, and the fact that we just don't seem to know who our best starting XI is and select a formation to get the best out of them, I'm afraid falls squarely at the man in charge. But who comes in if he were to get shown the door? (Although, I think that is very unlikely unless over we go on a losing streak of 6-7 games in a row). Would Pellegrini be remotely interested? Puel completely lost the Saints fans during his short time in charge; can't really see him being an attractive replacement. Pardew can get to fuck. Rafa - unless he is absolutely cheesed off at St James's Park, I can't see him leaving there for us. Allardyce? Sigh. Rather we just stuck with Hughes if he was the best option. Neville? Was a total failure during his short time in La Liga and really not sure that he's the kind of risk we should be taking to let him cut his managerial teeth with us. What the hell happened to Laudrup? Was there any truth in the rumours about his dodgy dealings and his prima donna ways? Moyes - even by Sunderland's pisspoor standards, he took the prize of being pretty much the worst of the lot. If we wanted to take a chance in an 'up-and-coming' manager with experience of the English game, my punt would be Jokanovic. And I'm sure it won't be anywhere near a universally popular choice, but I still like Villas Boas - for such a young manager he has got a lot of experience (but also had access to a lot of money). Could he be tempted from his Asian adventure back to the Prem to show he can cut it in a major league? Dunno, but I'd take him on, however unlikely it is that he'd come! This is a really good analysis. Youre right, I’m not much for Villas Boas - besides, he strikes me as being too precious for a club like Stoke, I think he sees himself as one of those like Blanc or Mancini or Ancelotti who are only available to elite clubs. It is all a matter of timing. We have to decide when we give up on Hughes. There would have been a window at the beginning of the season, but mid-season it is not a great idea to change managers if you can hang on until the end of the season. If there is not a good manager waiting in the wings, then the only ones that become available are those that get sacked for not being good enough somewhere else. So, even if we think Hughes is not doing a good enough job, he is not doing such a bad job that we have a better chance with no one at all or replacing him at any cost ...watch what happens at Leicester to see what I mean.
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Post by RAF on Oct 21, 2017 17:55:29 GMT
We've got the worst team ( not even 11 proper starters, given that there is no credible right back), worst squad and clueless manager All the ingredients for the drop Worst still, I start questioning whether the Board is actually bothered to turn things round Keeping Hughes when he should have been given his marching orders 5 minutes after the final game of last season goes to show that either they are also clueless or that they don't give a toss To explain all that is wrong with the club would take a whole thesis Truth is that, except for a few spurts and bursts, there was no progress since Pulis left Truth is that in spite of what some morons used to say (sidewards and backwards) Nzonzi was the linchpin which gelled the whole team Ever since he left the rot began and he was never properly replaced Your third paragraph is something I touched on, on the match day thread. In as much as I really think something’s going on behind the scenes. Every department seems to have taken their eyes off the ball and we’re just going through the motions. Perhaps a takeover isn’t far off- who knows???? There is no way that if a take over was on the cards that the powers that be would risk their profit margin by letting us skirt with the championship. They would be making the club the most attractive they could for maximum profit. Knowing the Coates's they would want to milk every last drop of profit. Barking up the wrong tree for me. H
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Post by adamsson on Oct 21, 2017 17:59:29 GMT
Thomas Tuchel?
But would take Mickey Mouse at the moment
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Post by lostinafrenchbar on Oct 21, 2017 18:01:06 GMT
I hate all the 'Hughes out' stuff as much as I hated all the 'Pulis out' stuff.
This sort of poncing, flimsy panicky talk pisses me off. My team is my team and the manager is just part of the operation. Check out Watford, who know how it works. Coates knows it too and when it was time for Pulis to go, his friendship for the man counted for nothing, just as when it wasn't time to go, the moaning counted for just as little. You don't go into panic mode when the weathers tough; that's what you do when the hull springs a leak
Decisions like this should be made with care, soberly, thoughtfully......
And so, now that I find myself joining the Hughes out brigade, all I can see is that if people like me are saying it, the man's really in fucking trouble.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 21, 2017 18:02:31 GMT
Only one man has the slightest chance of making this squad stay up and the chairman rates him , whether we will pay £5m a year and he risk his reputation with this the weakest squad in our premier league history both unknown.Would we spend the £30m / 40 he'd demand in January , could the berk scholes actually get anyone other than dead ducks no other fucker wants again unlikely
howevee it's a sticking plaster even if it happens surgical removal of scholes and Cartwright the only chance of a rebuild to think this bloke actually boasted the signing of Jesse was a sign of ambition says it all he has to be removed
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Oct 21, 2017 18:06:07 GMT
The 'who would we replace him with' question should be put in a different context - He's doing so bad at the minute he's dropping below many managers who would actually do a better job.
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Post by robwahlmann on Oct 21, 2017 18:08:34 GMT
I'm sure Big Sam would make us a top 12 team at least!
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Post by dutchstokie on Oct 21, 2017 18:10:48 GMT
Your third paragraph is something I touched on, on the match day thread. In as much as I really think something’s going on behind the scenes. Every department seems to have taken their eyes off the ball and we’re just going through the motions. Perhaps a takeover isn’t far off- who knows???? There is no way that if a take over was on the cards that the powers that be would risk their profit margin by letting us skirt with the championship. They would be making the club the most attractive they could for maximum profit. Knowing the Coates's they would want to milk every last drop of profit. Barking up the wrong tree for me. H You might be right, but then again who knows
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