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Post by RedandWhite90 on Sept 23, 2017 10:45:53 GMT
Can he play centreback?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 23, 2017 11:08:21 GMT
He hasn't had the chances, how many times!! He played the last 10 games last season and a lot of friendlies without showing much ability of putting the ball in the onion bag (just one in a friendly). All our other options seem able to score a goal now and then even if they have been given fewer chances than Berahino. In my opinion those who deliver the goods should be preferred when picking the team.  I should have said " chances created", hope that clears it up. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 23, 2017 11:11:02 GMT
He hasn't had the chances, how many times!! He had 2 very good chances against Bristol City and badly fluffed both of them. There has clearly been a problem with Saido since we got him. Hopefully he comes good but if he does it'll have been a very long wait. So he's had 3 so far this season, Joselu had more than that in one game, fluffing them is only a problem because we know he won't be getting many, if any, more chances. |
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Post by miltonstokienew on Sept 23, 2017 11:11:37 GMT
Week is a long time in football, Almost 10 months is a life time. Still only 24 but he's mentally finished. Like Michael Ricketts etc, they just can't do it after a certain age, especially with all the money nowadays. What has he got to motivate him? What a load of shite |
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Post by butlerstbob on Sept 23, 2017 11:18:13 GMT
Week is a long time in football, Almost 10 months is a life time. Still only 24 but he's mentally finished. Like Michael Ricketts etc, they just can't do it after a certain age, especially with all the money nowadays. What has he got to motivate him? Mentally finished as in like some of our so called supporters? Complete arse gravy! |
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Post by iglugluk on Sept 23, 2017 11:18:46 GMT
He had 2 very good chances against Bristol City and badly fluffed both of them. There has clearly been a problem with Saido since we got him. Hopefully he comes good but if he does it'll have been a very long wait. So he's had 3 so far this season, Joselu had more than that in one game, fluffing them is only a problem because we know he won't be getting many if any more chances. Yes you're right, we definitely don't create enough chances for our strikers to score but none the less Saido was put through one on one with City's goal keeper and failed to even get to a ball that should have been his. He looked worryingly off the ball ( excuse the pun ) given his zero goal return since January. I still have hopes he will come good but he's been a very poor signing so far. |
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Post by cheadlestokie on Sept 23, 2017 11:30:43 GMT
One things for sure and that is he will never score sitting on his backside on the bench
It is about time we played 2 up front to give ourselves more opportunities.
What is wrong with 3-4-1-2?
Problem with that as I see it is that you need two good wing backs with plenty of energy..
For me at the moment that is Sobhi and Pieters from the current squad and let Diouf and Berahino see if they can work with Crouch on as and when needed and depending on the opposition.
Shaq as the one.
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Post by thehoof on Sept 23, 2017 12:19:20 GMT
I don't necessarily agree about lack of numbers in the box. If you look when Jese broke into the box against Man Utd there was Choupe Moting in the box & Allen and Pieters screaming for it to be squared. If you can give a few more examples I'd accept it.However it didn't happen at Everton ,once against Newcastle not at all at Bristol or WBA. |
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Post by hchpotter on Sept 23, 2017 12:35:02 GMT
Fell out with his manager at Brentford. Fell out with his manager and chairman at West Brom. Threatened to go on strike. Served a drugs ban. Not scored a League goal in 23 months. Missed his last 3 penalties in competitive games. Not scored a single goal since joining us at the start of 2017. Big weekly wage. Doesn’t seem to be in current manager’s good books.
Are we anticipating a long queue of clubs willing to take him off our hands?
He’s certainly got ability but he needs to force his way into the team and start scoring soon. If he can’t do that for a manager who rated him highly enough to pursue him for nearly 2 years he’s clearly got big problems. I very much get the impression that the next 3 months will be the defining months of his career.
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Post by s7oke on Sept 23, 2017 17:29:53 GMT
Two against united we'll I suppose two goals from crosses In one game makes up for not scoring any in the previous high percentage of games doesn't it !!! Ive wondered whether we've become a bit of a one trick pony with out crosses into the box. Seemed all we did on Tues... I agree And kustokie is taking credit from crosses for choupo I suppose a corner is a cross though But not open play from where we struggle We made chance after chance today but couldn’t score Personally think we would have been better to have bought saido on as a sub today because Chelsea’s defence could and should have been breached |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 17:31:43 GMT
Needs to start next week.
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Post by chad on Sept 23, 2017 20:26:43 GMT
I so want Berahino to come good. Can't understand why Hughes now seems so reluctant to give him a start.
We had two cup games against lower league opposition where it would have been ideal to give him a start but no Apart from his goal against Arsenal Jesé hasn't looked the business but still gets the nod. When we go behind it's Crouch that gets first call from the bench
Is Bera so bad in training. Is his attitude wrong
There's a goal scorer in there I'm sure there is.
Next week. Surely ....,
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 23, 2017 21:53:39 GMT
Doesn't matter what anyone on here feels, it's increasingly clear he's dead to this manager.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 23, 2017 22:18:33 GMT
Doesn't matter what anyone on here feels, it's increasingly clear he's dead to this manager. How didn't he get on today? You need a goal and the striker you've paid the most money for can't get on the pitch. Something is fucked. |
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 23, 2017 22:24:19 GMT
Doesn't matter what anyone on here feels, it's increasingly clear he's dead to this manager. How didn't he get on today? You need a goal and the striker you've paid the most money for can't get on the pitch. Something is fucked. Interesting insight. What is the 'something that's fucked'? We're not the best but we're trying our best ain't we? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 22:28:10 GMT
Of Berahino goes out on loan then Hughes should be sacked. Why? Because a signing did not work out? Using that logic almost every club would change managers at least once every year. He's had numerous chances to sign a striker who will change our fortunes up front. He's had plenty of time to work out a system that gets the best out of the attacking options that he has either signed, inherited or had on loan, and he has failed on every score. The bloke is fucking clueless. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 23, 2017 22:35:48 GMT
Doesn't matter what anyone on here feels, it's increasingly clear he's dead to this manager. How didn't he get on today? You need a goal and the striker you've paid the most money for can't get on the pitch. Something is fucked. Not even giving him any serious time in the cup against dross to get his confidence up. I'm not as down as some tonight, I think as exposed as we are and as unbalanced as we are, we might harvest some decent points at home if we can field a defence but the Berahino situation is now a mystery worthy of a Hitchcock film. I doubt Coates is enjoying it much though. |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Sept 23, 2017 22:44:06 GMT
Doesn't matter what anyone on here feels, it's increasingly clear he's dead to this manager. The question is why? Is he a lazy cunt in training or has Hughes wised up to him being a gangsta? Why then is he featuring on the bench? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 22:52:41 GMT
Is he bad in training!?!?!
Asmir begovic has scored more.
Even diouf manages bag plenty despite looking like he has put his boots on the wrong feet every game
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 23, 2017 22:56:19 GMT
How didn't he get on today? You need a goal and the striker you've paid the most money for can't get on the pitch. Something is fucked. Interesting insight. What is the 'something that's fucked'? We're not the best but we're trying our best ain't we? I don't think some are. The manager's thought process is fucked. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 23, 2017 22:59:06 GMT
How didn't he get on today? You need a goal and the striker you've paid the most money for can't get on the pitch. Something is fucked. Not even giving him any serious time in the cup against dross to get his confidence up. I'm not as down as some tonight, I think as exposed as we are and as unbalanced as we are, we might harvest some decent points at home if we can field a defence but the Berahino situation is now a mystery worthy of a Hitchcock film. I doubt Coates is enjoying it much though. He was a gimme for the Rochdale and Bristol City games yet he was nowhere really. Why? How can you chase a striker for 18 months and then bin him after 8 months? Spending 12m in the process. But it's the same process he's had with all the strikers he's signed. Maybe Saido can do a job at left wing back to save some face? |
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Post by kustokie on Sept 23, 2017 23:01:21 GMT
Ive wondered whether we've become a bit of a one trick pony with out crosses into the box. Seemed all we did on Tues... I agree And kustokie is taking credit from crosses for choupo I suppose a corner is a cross though But not open play from where we struggle We made chance after chance today but couldn’t score Personally think we would have been better to have bought saido on as a sub today because Chelsea’s defence could and should have been breached Eh? Credit? I was in the crowd but don't recall kicking the ball. I seem to recall it was Shaq. But we are not exactly banging them in from either open play or set pieces, are we. |
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Post by kustokie on Sept 23, 2017 23:06:44 GMT
Not even giving him any serious time in the cup against dross to get his confidence up. I'm not as down as some tonight, I think as exposed as we are and as unbalanced as we are, we might harvest some decent points at home if we can field a defence but the Berahino situation is now a mystery worthy of a Hitchcock film. I doubt Coates is enjoying it much though. He was a gimme for the Rochdale and Bristol City games yet he was nowhere really. Why? How can you chase a striker for 18 months and then bin him after 8 months? Spending 12m in the process. But it's the same process he's had with all the strikers he's signed. Maybe Saido can do a job at left wing back to save some face? He has done this with every striker he's signed. He gives them 6-10 games, realizes he's made a big mistake, tries somebody else and hopes nobody will notice. Then about a year later he tries to convert them (e.g. Walters and Diouf) to a right winger. So it makes perfect sense that he'll wait another six months and then stick Berahino out on the left. Very strange man. |
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 23, 2017 23:08:11 GMT
Interesting insight. What is the 'something that's fucked'? We're not the best but we're trying our best ain't we? I don't think some are. The manager's thought process is fucked. Some aren't trying? {Who apart from Sobhi?} today. Managers' mind is fucked? How he keeeps criminally treating Diouf and that etc. What else? It's the difference between intention and execution.. and a manager that finally unlocks that.... Doesn't really exist. Trying me best to enjoy the ride etc. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 23, 2017 23:10:55 GMT
I don't think some are. The manager's thought process is fucked. Some aren't trying? {Who apart from Sobhi?} today. Managers' mind is fucked? How he keeeps criminally treating Diouf and that etc. What else? It's the difference between intention and execution.. and a manager that finally unlocks that.... Doesn't really exist. Trying me best to enjoy the ride etc. Sobhi was trying and defended ok. Jese might as well not fucking bother. Shaq never goes in for 50/50s which pisses me off but he did try at least. I didn't think the midfield put in the effort needed either. What does the rest of that hippy shit crap actually mean? 😂😂 |
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 23, 2017 23:27:13 GMT
Some aren't trying? {Who apart from Sobhi?} today. Managers' mind is fucked? How he keeeps criminally treating Diouf and that etc. What else? It's the difference between intention and execution.. and a manager that finally unlocks that.... Doesn't really exist. Trying me best to enjoy the ride etc. Sobhi was trying and defended ok. Jese might as well not fucking bother. Shaq never goes in for 50/50s which pisses me off but he did try at least. I didn't think the midfield put in the effort needed either. What does the rest of that hippy shit crap actually mean? 😂😂 Don't try and seek meaning from me toneeet. I'll be more lucid tomorrow, unlike you. Smiles. Shaq is mint in the shoulder barge all of a sudden. Yer can't knock him for tackling, getting stuck in and such! Smashing the 50/50's while you've got yer eyes off the bo. Sobhi was poor. I got Pieters and Jesse mixed up a bit in open play. But realise Pieters was best, better beard etc.. Ktf. |
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Post by s7oke on Sept 24, 2017 2:48:58 GMT
I agree And kustokie is taking credit from crosses for choupo I suppose a corner is a cross though But not open play from where we struggle We made chance after chance today but couldn’t score Personally think we would have been better to have bought saido on as a sub today because Chelsea’s defence could and should have been breached Eh? Credit? I was in the crowd but don't recall kicking the ball. I seem to recall it was Shaq. But we are not exactly banging them in from either open play or set pieces, are we. Exactly |
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Post by TexasPotter on Sept 24, 2017 3:58:16 GMT
We haven't had a midfield in ages yet somehow our forwards are supposed to be prolific. Only since Fletcher's arrival have we had an resemblance of one post Nzonzi!
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Post by thegift on Sept 24, 2017 4:01:33 GMT
Regardless of 2 great wins at home, we look like a fucking league 1 team. Losing 4-0 at home is outright embarrassing. Especially when you have an £18M pound player who can't even get in the squad and a £12M player who couldn't hit a fucking barn door.
Jese has had one good game and can't even get involved anymore.
Reminds me bit like berahino - the only difference being Bera hasn't even had 1 good game. But using either & having them up top on their own isn't going to work, come on hughes, fucking work it out.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 24, 2017 10:41:24 GMT
I genuinely believe the whole Berahino saga is a sackable offence for Sparky. Why chase him for soooooooo long knowing his personal issues and everything that goes with him then dump him on the bench and leave him there to rot when we need a goal?! He'll struggle to make the match day squad soon I'm sure of it and it's utterly bizzare.
Yes, he hasn't scored yet but I don't think he's a lost cause in the slightest. Even his cameos this season have shown a player who's putting in the effort and his training over pre season shows he didn't shirk the responsibility to get himself fit.
Is he really going to be any worse of an option as a striker than Jesé?.. Sparky, an expert at baffling me on a consistent basis with his team selections.
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