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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 21, 2017 15:52:16 GMT
If he left and we get injuries what would we have left? If he was loaned it would be suicide.
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Post by cousindupree on Sept 21, 2017 16:25:17 GMT
If he left and we get injuries what would we have left? If he was loaned it would be suicide. In January bring in a striker that can actually do the job...we should have done this in the summer...6 month loan for Berahino to a midlands championship club, and there are many to choose from, hope he finds his level and scores a few and the club like him and pay us a decent fee....sorted.
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Post by nott1 on Sept 21, 2017 16:41:03 GMT
Leave the guy alone and let him work through it FFS, if he reads some of this negative tripe his confidence will be shot forever! A Mr P Wollscheid of the Saarland sends his regards. Never heard of him!
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Post by thegift on Sept 21, 2017 16:48:26 GMT
Oh I don't doubt that some think giving him a loan to get his mojo back might be a good idea, but Is just pure BS. I'm fairly certain as someone has pointed out above the OP has forgot that there is no longer a loan market. I have no idea tbh, I've only seen people on here mention it and if that constitutes Stoke looking at it then yes that is BS. I presumed he meant in January tbh. I Did mean January Bayern, with the window being shut i thought that would of been self explanatory.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 21, 2017 16:49:57 GMT
He may want to be involved and thats good, it would be a worry if he didn't but that doesn't mean he should be starting every week he did nothing in the newcastle game and we should be rotating them, so for me Bera should be given a chance against Chelsea, I don't think he will the way things are going but I'd like to see it. im sure there is a clause in the loan that will cost us extra if we don't start him, have seen this a few times Probably, we should be willing to pay it for the good of the team if thats what Hughes thinks is best, it shouldn't put us off putting our best team out.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 21, 2017 17:15:12 GMT
Berahino looked lively on Tuesday.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Sept 21, 2017 17:46:08 GMT
This whole thread stinks of "Lets find summat to have a pop about". Some bellends have decided to make Berahino the 'boo boy' so have come up with this "lets loan him out" shit... Not realising we can't actually loan anyone out untill January... You know January, it's that time that is about 15 games away, by which time Berahino could have banged in ten goals... But fuck giving anyone a chance like that, lets just start some shit so we can get everyone all angry & moaning about how shit everyone & everything to do with Stoke City is.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 21, 2017 17:53:24 GMT
This whole thread stinks of "Lets find summat to have a pop about". Some bellends have decided to make Berahino the 'boo boy' so have come up with this "lets loan him out" shit... Not realising we can't actually loan anyone out untill January... You know January, it's that time that is about 15 games away, by which time Berahino could have banged in ten goals... But fuck giving anyone a chance like that, lets just start some shit so we can get everyone all angry & moaning about how shit everyone & everything to do with Stoke City is. People have been saying they want him loaned in January. Why can't people get that? 😂
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Sept 21, 2017 17:57:16 GMT
This whole thread stinks of "Lets find summat to have a pop about". Some bellends have decided to make Berahino the 'boo boy' so have come up with this "lets loan him out" shit... Not realising we can't actually loan anyone out untill January... You know January, it's that time that is about 15 games away, by which time Berahino could have banged in ten goals... But fuck giving anyone a chance like that, lets just start some shit so we can get everyone all angry & moaning about how shit everyone & everything to do with Stoke City is. People have been saying they want him loaned in January. Why can't people get that? 😂 Why can't you read what I said? To repeat myself... What if between now & January he scores ten goals? Do we still loan him out 'cos he's shit? It's nothing but a chance to have a moan anything Stoke.
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Post by werrington on Sept 21, 2017 18:04:45 GMT
People have been saying they want him loaned in January. Why can't people get that? 😂 Why can't you read what I said? To repeat myself... What if between now & January he scores ten goals? Do we still loan him out 'cos he's shit? It's nothing but a chance to have a moan anything Stoke. Bayern never reads what people HAVE ACTUALLY posted mate He's that wrapped up in his own opinions and relentlessly hammers them home no matter what thread
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 21, 2017 18:12:19 GMT
People have been saying they want him loaned in January. Why can't people get that? 😂 Why can't you read what I said? To repeat myself... What if between now & January he scores ten goals? Do we still loan him out 'cos he's shit? It's nothing but a chance to have a moan anything Stoke. I think it's a stupid idea but people have given up on him. Once that happens it's hard to come back from that.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 21, 2017 18:14:17 GMT
Why can't you read what I said? To repeat myself... What if between now & January he scores ten goals? Do we still loan him out 'cos he's shit? It's nothing but a chance to have a moan anything Stoke. Bayern never reads what people HAVE ACTUALLY posted mate He's that wrapped up in his own opinions and relentlessly hammers them home no matter what thread Of course I do. Someone was peddling the shite that people want him loaned out now. No one bar no one has said that. Yet it keeps getting repeated. Why? Because people aren't reading what's being said. I think the idea is daft yet here you are thinking I'm suggesting it! 😂😂
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Post by oslostokie1 on Sept 21, 2017 18:22:48 GMT
I've heard rumours and seen on twitter a few links where stoke are potentially thinking to loan out berahino.. Thoughts? My opinion is the guy is absolute dross and probably wouldn't make it at championship level now. The guy unfortunately is cluless and doesn't know where the goal is, despite enough starts to even look close to scoring. I would take £5M for him to get something back and get rid come January. How people can still defend him is beyond me. A striker is paid to score goals, no matter how tough it is. Thats what there paid to do. The guy doesn't even make the right runs. Yes he got an assist with the Jese goal.. if you can't make a pass 5 yards you shouldn't be playing sunday pub football so that excuse doesn't wash. Its not the system, as shown by the goal scorers for stoke this season. The problem is Saido. Worst post of the year. Get a life and stop making stuff up
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 18:25:50 GMT
Why can't you read what I said? To repeat myself... What if between now & January he scores ten goals? Do we still loan him out 'cos he's shit? It's nothing but a chance to have a moan anything Stoke. I think it's a stupid idea but people have given up on him. Once that happens it's hard to come back from that. Shows something of football fans, similar happened with Bojan, similar happened (several times) with Whelan and Walters, early in their Stoke careers. It's been happening with Shawcross for about 2 years too, and no amount of good performances or upturn in form can change some minds.
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Post by thebet365 on Sept 21, 2017 18:35:08 GMT
Bayern never reads what people HAVE ACTUALLY posted mate He's that wrapped up in his own opinions and relentlessly hammers them home no matter what thread Of course I do. Someone was peddling the shite that people want him loaned out now. No one bar no one has said that. Yet it keeps getting repeated. Why? Because people aren't reading what's being said. I think the idea is daft yet here you are thinking I'm suggesting it! 😂😂 The reason I and probably others think that the OP forgot that you can't loan him out now is because it's such a shit made up story about twitter links it's even shitter if he actually new we can't loan anyone out. Why would stoke consider let alone talk to other clubs that would result in a leak to the press about loaning him out when we can't do it for 3 months anyway. More people might have bit if he put this up in December.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 21, 2017 18:41:22 GMT
Of course I do. Someone was peddling the shite that people want him loaned out now. No one bar no one has said that. Yet it keeps getting repeated. Why? Because people aren't reading what's being said. I think the idea is daft yet here you are thinking I'm suggesting it! 😂😂 The reason I and probably others think that the OP forgot that you can't loan him out now is because it's such a shit made up story about twitter links it's even shitter if he actually new we can't loan anyone out. Why would stoke consider let alone talk to other clubs that would result in a leak to the press about loaning him out when we can't do it for 3 months anyway. More people might have bit if he put this up in December. No idea but it happens doesn't it? And that's not me saying we are thinking about it because I don't think we are and I don't think we will do. Because I honestly think it means curtains for Hughes if we did. People are and have been talking about it though already. Which again I find odd but people are. The loan thing is just presumed, I don't get why people would think the OP wasn't on about January.
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Post by roylandstoke on Sept 21, 2017 18:44:24 GMT
The system and how we play it is making it very difficult for everyone who is played at 9.
We just do not seem able to get the striker involved in play at all, never mind on the end of a chance to score.
Diouf seems to be best suited to play the role but Hughes has decided he can't link play well enough. For me this should be a minor part of the striker's job in this system, let's face it Costa didn't spend a lot of time fiddling around in midfield or out wide for Chelsea. As it stands we are stuck with a system wjthout the right pesonell. Our best RWB is our best striker (and only an average RWB at best) Our LWB is a full back Shaq, Jese and Choupo are all best suited to the support striker roles, where we also have Ramadan (who probably should be tried at RWB).
Should we ditch the 3-4-3 and try something else? Changing formation evry game didn't work, so maybe we should persist and hope things get better. I'd prefer 4-2-3-1 but we don't really have a RB unless we play Zouma there.
The Berahino problem is just another example of the overall problem: lots of good players but no real idea of how to get them on the pitch in a system that suits them.
Hughes must sort this out pretty soon, either with hard work on the training ground or by getting players in who actually fit his system (wingbacks).
Loaning out Berahino would be stupid, as I am sure the OP well knows.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 21, 2017 18:46:09 GMT
Its the manager not the player.
Even Joselu looks ten times the player now than he was at stoke.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 21, 2017 19:27:37 GMT
Its the manager not the player. Even Joselu looks ten times the player now than he was at stoke. He looked good when he was here too.
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Post by blackpoolred on Sept 21, 2017 19:40:05 GMT
It does make sense sending him out on loan. I feel a bit sorry for him as he has been out for a long while and it does take an age to get up to match speed/fitness. He is only going to get that if he is playing competitive footy for a full season. Send him out on loan see if he can get some form going, if he can only muster a handful of goals in the championship, then move him on and get him off the wage bill, if scores for fun either bring him back or sell him for a lot of money to the team he is performing for - really can't see the point of giving him 20 mins here and there at Stoke, it is the last thing he needs. Really not sure why we pursued him for so long given his mindset, physical condition, and hardly a goal-scoring machine either - another one of the Hughes decisions that fall into the category of strange, how long before we try him at RB
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 19:45:56 GMT
Play him in a two or don't play him, simples really.
Why on earth would we loan him out when we are DESPERATE for a striker and he may yet be the answer. He certainly has it in him.
Or we could play him as wing back, or goalkeeper, or just anywhere that he might fill a hole.
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Post by slother on Sept 21, 2017 20:13:58 GMT
Play him in a two or don't play him, simples really. Why on earth would we loan him out when we are DESPERATE for a striker and he may yet be the answer. He certainly has it in him. Or we could play him as wing back, or goalkeeper, or just anywhere that he might fill a hole. The stats show that he's more effective solo than in a two, apparently. I thought we'd all given him a freebie last season, and that this season was the time to judge him on - especially given that he's basically had 2 years out of the game at the very age when he needed to be playing. With that in mind, so far this term he's had 72 minutes away at Everton, 65 minutes vs Arsenal (gave the assist for Jese's goal), 15 minutes at home to Man Utd and the 2nd half against Bristol. Writing him off is absolute madness. The lad's 24 years old and has scored goals at this level for West Brom. I'm getting sick Hughes expecting too much too soon from his signings. We don't have the depth or the chairman to solve every problem with more money. Here's an idea - how about you fucking coach these players to maximise their potential?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 21, 2017 20:15:45 GMT
It does make sense sending him out on loan. I feel a bit sorry for him as he has been out for a long while and it does take an age to get up to match speed/fitness. He is only going to get that if he is playing competitive footy for a full season. Send him out on loan see if he can get some form going, if he can only muster a handful of goals in the championship, then move him on and get him off the wage bill, if scores for fun either bring him back or sell him for a lot of money to the team he is performing for - really can't see the point of giving him 20 mins here and there at Stoke, it is the last thing he needs. Really not sure why we pursued him for so long given his mindset, physical condition, and hardly a goal-scoring machine either - another one of the Hughes decisions that fall into the category of strange, how long before we try him at RB Send him out on loan and he'll never get his confidence back.
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Post by nott1 on Sept 22, 2017 11:22:28 GMT
Its the manager not the player. Even Joselu looks ten times the player now than he was at stoke. What do you mean, he missed three sitters against us instead of his usual one?
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Post by shrewspotter on Sept 22, 2017 11:25:11 GMT
Was very strange that he never selected Berahino to start in either the Rochdale or Bristol City games, surely these were the games you hope that Bera will break his duck
The chances are if he starts vs Chelsea he will have limited if any chances whereas vs Rochdale you would have thought he would have had 3 or 4
Poor management from me but hey what do I know
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 11:58:44 GMT
Was very strange that he never selected Berahino to start in either the Rochdale or Bristol City games, surely these were the games you hope that Bera will break his duck The chances are if he starts vs Chelsea he will have limited if any chances whereas vs Rochdale you would have thought he would have had 3 or 4 Poor management from me but hey what do I know I don't think he starts vs chelsea unless we go to 4 at the back. Would definitely start him vs lower sides though.
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Post by shrewspotter on Sept 22, 2017 12:59:35 GMT
Was very strange that he never selected Berahino to start in either the Rochdale or Bristol City games, surely these were the games you hope that Bera will break his duck The chances are if he starts vs Chelsea he will have limited if any chances whereas vs Rochdale you would have thought he would have had 3 or 4 Poor management from me but hey what do I know I don't think he starts vs chelsea unless we go to 4 at the back. Would definitely start him vs lower sides though. Judging by availability we could well see a 4-4-2 or a 4-2-3-1, so Bera may well play
I think he will go with Crouch though, I just have a feeling that LMH has lost his confidence in Bera. Hopefully I will be proved wrong and the boy will find form
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Post by thehoof on Sept 22, 2017 13:01:59 GMT
It clearly is as much the system as who plays.You very rarely see 2 Players in the box when we attack-you never see a midfield player get ahead of the lone forward and with the exception of Shaqiri no one shoots from outside the box. Very little in the way of through balls ( again with the exception of Shaq) are played. Harry Kane would struggle to score 10 goals with how we set up
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Post by skemstokie on Sept 22, 2017 13:09:27 GMT
Berahino looked lively on Tuesday. Don`t try to stop a rumour or the mob will be on you
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 22, 2017 13:41:44 GMT
I don't necessarily agree about lack of numbers in the box. If you look when Jese broke into the box against Man Utd there was Choupe Moting in the box & Allen and Pieters screaming for it to be squared.
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